(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:28 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:20 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:13 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sorry Frog, there's only one cursed conference and that is the XII.

I look forward to your cursed CCG restarting, though. It always provided a fun headline!

It does amaze me how superstitious many sports figures and fans are (especially in baseball, but all sports, really). I guess I get it, especially if one doesn't have a grasp of probability and statistics- it gives some sense of control or explanation.

Probability has no place in single game outcomes.

Either does superstition or curses.

But at least such things can be observed!

How?

(12-07-2015 11:31 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 07:14 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  "The Big 12 took a potentially significant step toward expansion Sunday night when ESPN reported that Big 10 commissioner Jim Delany filed a last-minute amendment in November that could prevent the conference from having a championship game as early as next season.


"We're trying to work our way through it, but I'm less certain of the outcome than I was before," Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby told ESPN.com on Sunday. ”We don't think we ought to be forced into adding schools in order to have a championship game, but it could end up that way.”
http://www.espn929.com/pages/22249014.php

Ever other conference P5 & G5 was forced to add schools in order to host a conference championship. I can think of a couple AAC schools that we wouldn't have added if we could do it with 10.

The trouble that would be the domino effect (3 or 4 conferences would be needlessly impacted) should be taken into consideration. I say just let them have their CCG with 10, and move on.

With that said, what good did the CCG do for the Pac 12 this year? What about in the ACC had UNC won? SEC if Florida had won? I don't think a CCG has yet proven to even be an advantage.

(12-07-2015 10:27 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:05 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  cinn and memphis to big 12 north

coog high aint going anywhere

Cincy can't change who they are. No way BigXII ever takes a regional school in the same system as Ohio State. And even if they tried, Ohio State would never allow the University of Ohio system to sanction it. Sorry but thems the brakes.

Memphis is a promising pick but they aren't ready. Yet.

Good thing there is no such system in Ohio, but nice try.

(12-07-2015 11:17 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

billybob777 Wrote:There are so many people who make conjecture on expansion without fully
"When Louisville turned down the big 12 for the ACC"-----Lie!! Louisville wasn't invited. Sen Mitch McConnel went on tv and begged and pleaded with the Big 12 to get in, in 2011, but Louisville was not invited to the Big 12. You also told another lie and said "the original plan was for Tulane to the big 12...."--- lie!!!! Tulane was never invited to the big 12. STOP lying Tulane fan.

(12-07-2015 11:02 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Tulane was vetted and confirmed to be on the short list but from everything I have ever read and heard only WVU and TCU were actually invited.... and it was pretty well known the next two in were actually Lville and Cinci. Tulane was closer then anyone else after that.
If BYU hadnt pissed off people, I think Lville and BYU would be in the Big 12.

Never said they were invited. You don't extend an invite until it's a done deal. When BYU said no thanks Tulane was the replacement. But when Louisville went to ACC instead they stayed at 10. No need to call me a liar, it's all well documented.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nvite-most

Quote:There were a number of top candidates, the source said, including BYU, Louisville, West Virginia, TCU and previously unmentioned Tulane, of Conference USA. The source said the Big 12 has been contacted by a number of other schools about possible inclusion, as well.

On Thursday, the Big 12 invited TCU, which was supposed to begin membership in the Big East in 2012-13. The TCU board of trustees was scheduled to meet later in the day to discuss the invitation.

The source said that Tulane would become a viable option for the Big 12 if it were to grab four schools to beef up the membership to 12, in a situation where BYU decides it doesn't want to leave its football independence or its new tie to the WCC in all other sports. Tulane is interesting to the Big 12 because of its location in New Orleans and in a state, Louisiana, where the Big 12 is absent, as well as the school's renewed commitment to sports and facilities after Hurricane Katrina.

A source with knowledge of Tulane's situation told ESPN.com that the Green Wave have privately been making overtures to the Big East and Big 12 about possible membership but didn't want to upset Conference USA as that league looks to form a partnership with the Mountain West.

Tulane is also a member of the Association of American Universities -- the only AAU member listed as a possible addition. The prestigious AAU tag is something that the SEC has looked at as an important criterion for expansion, as evidenced by the league promoting Texas A&M as one of three AAU members in the SEC in a news release announcing the Aggies' addition. Florida and Vanderbilt are the other two in the SEC.

The Big 12 would be down to four AAU schools after the departure of Texas A&M, and down to three -- Texas, Kansas, and Iowa State -- if Missouri leaves.

The source cited the improved academics at TCU and Louisville as important aspects to possible inclusion in the Big 12.

Cincy was and is never going. Ohio State, and therefore University of Ohio board of regents, would never allow it.

The Ohio Board of Education (we have no board of regents...haven't in the last decade actually, but nice try) holds no decision making power on individual universities in the state of Ohio. They hold general policy jurisdiction and that's it, meaning that if they blocked UC from joining a large conference, they would have to do the same for Ohio State and all other institutions in the State of Ohio. Source of my information is my 15 years in Higher Education at various institutions in the State of Ohio, not some lame attempt to explain something away regardless of the fact that most states don't have an overarching system structure anymore.

(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:27 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:05 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  cinn and memphis to big 12 north

coog high aint going anywhere

Cincy can't change who they are. No way BigXII ever takes a regional school in the same system as Ohio State. And even if they tried, Ohio State would never allow the University of Ohio system to sanction it. Sorry but thems the brakes.

Memphis is a promising pick but they aren't ready. Yet.

How does Ohio State have any say on UC's athletic conference membership? Certainly the mighty Ohio State would have blocked UC's move to the Big East, right? And describing UC as a regional school shows how little you comprehend the dynamics involved.

Ohio State is the flagship of the University of Ohio system. The board of regents is the governing body of all schools in the system, including Cincy. Athletic departments don't make realignment decisions, boards and presidents do. Cincy is in the (unfair) position of having the same governing body as OSU making their decisions for them.

Big East was collapsing and never really a strong football conference, it was a basketball conference that played football. It was already on the decline, with established football members leaving for the ACC. It didnt pose a threat to OSU. It just made the University System more money. Cincy to the BigXII poses a threat because it gives BigXII football a foothold in OSUs backyard, and gives Cincy the $ and legitimacy in football that the Big East didn't offer. It threatens OSU/B1G recruiting and market share, cannibalizing revenue and prestige from one part of the Ohio University System to another.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. Cincy should try to get out from underneath them somehow. UH and Memphis are both flagship of their own systems, and don't have to answer to a board controlled by UT or Tenn sycophants.

(12-07-2015 11:35 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:28 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:20 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  It does amaze me how superstitious many sports figures and fans are (especially in baseball, but all sports, really). I guess I get it, especially if one doesn't have a grasp of probability and statistics- it gives some sense of control or explanation.

Probability has no place in single game outcomes.

Either does superstition or curses.

But at least such things can be observed!

How?

Anyone can observe that the XII CCG had a disproportional number of upsets.

(12-07-2015 11:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:17 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

billybob777 Wrote:There are so many people who make conjecture on expansion without fully
"When Louisville turned down the big 12 for the ACC"-----Lie!! Louisville wasn't invited. Sen Mitch McConnel went on tv and begged and pleaded with the Big 12 to get in, in 2011, but Louisville was not invited to the Big 12. You also told another lie and said "the original plan was for Tulane to the big 12...."--- lie!!!! Tulane was never invited to the big 12. STOP lying Tulane fan.

(12-07-2015 11:02 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Tulane was vetted and confirmed to be on the short list but from everything I have ever read and heard only WVU and TCU were actually invited.... and it was pretty well known the next two in were actually Lville and Cinci. Tulane was closer then anyone else after that.
If BYU hadnt pissed off people, I think Lville and BYU would be in the Big 12.

Never said they were invited. You don't extend an invite until it's a done deal. When BYU said no thanks Tulane was the replacement. But when Louisville went to ACC instead they stayed at 10. No need to call me a liar, it's all well documented.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nvite-most

Quote:There were a number of top candidates, the source said, including BYU, Louisville, West Virginia, TCU and previously unmentioned Tulane, of Conference USA. The source said the Big 12 has been contacted by a number of other schools about possible inclusion, as well.

On Thursday, the Big 12 invited TCU, which was supposed to begin membership in the Big East in 2012-13. The TCU board of trustees was scheduled to meet later in the day to discuss the invitation.

The source said that Tulane would become a viable option for the Big 12 if it were to grab four schools to beef up the membership to 12, in a situation where BYU decides it doesn't want to leave its football independence or its new tie to the WCC in all other sports. Tulane is interesting to the Big 12 because of its location in New Orleans and in a state, Louisiana, where the Big 12 is absent, as well as the school's renewed commitment to sports and facilities after Hurricane Katrina.

A source with knowledge of Tulane's situation told ESPN.com that the Green Wave have privately been making overtures to the Big East and Big 12 about possible membership but didn't want to upset Conference USA as that league looks to form a partnership with the Mountain West.

Tulane is also a member of the Association of American Universities -- the only AAU member listed as a possible addition. The prestigious AAU tag is something that the SEC has looked at as an important criterion for expansion, as evidenced by the league promoting Texas A&M as one of three AAU members in the SEC in a news release announcing the Aggies' addition. Florida and Vanderbilt are the other two in the SEC.

The Big 12 would be down to four AAU schools after the departure of Texas A&M, and down to three -- Texas, Kansas, and Iowa State -- if Missouri leaves.

The source cited the improved academics at TCU and Louisville as important aspects to possible inclusion in the Big 12.

Cincy was and is never going. Ohio State, and therefore University of Ohio board of regents, would never allow it.

The Ohio Board of Education (we have no board of regents...haven't in the last decade actually, but nice try) holds no decision making power on individual universities in the state of Ohio. They hold general policy jurisdiction and that's it, meaning that if they blocked UC from joining a large conference, they would have to do the same for Ohio State and all other institutions in the State of Ohio. Source of my information is my 15 years in Higher Education at various institutions in the State of Ohio, not some lame attempt to explain something away regardless of the fact that most states don't have an overarching system structure anymore.

Unfortunately that's not how things work. Politics is about personal relationships, pressure, and influence. If the Chancellor and Board of Regents (governing body of the Department of Education) don't want a member school President doing something, they won't.

Sure, perhaps a Cincy president could go rouge and give the powers that be the finger. I'd be all for it personally. But those things don't happen. You don't get to that level of power and authority without being politically connected to others.

(12-07-2015 11:17 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

billybob777 Wrote:There are so many people who make conjecture on expansion without fully
"When Louisville turned down the big 12 for the ACC"-----Lie!! Louisville wasn't invited. Sen Mitch McConnel went on tv and begged and pleaded with the Big 12 to get in, in 2011, but Louisville was not invited to the Big 12. You also told another lie and said "the original plan was for Tulane to the big 12...."--- lie!!!! Tulane was never invited to the big 12. STOP lying Tulane fan.

(12-07-2015 11:02 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Tulane was vetted and confirmed to be on the short list but from everything I have ever read and heard only WVU and TCU were actually invited.... and it was pretty well known the next two in were actually Lville and Cinci. Tulane was closer then anyone else after that.
If BYU hadnt pissed off people, I think Lville and BYU would be in the Big 12.

Cincy was and is never going. Ohio State, and therefore University of Ohio board of regents, would never allow it.

lol, who is this guy?

UC isn't UAB. It's a standalone school with their own board. Ohio State has 0 to say with what goes on at UC. It's certainly not a regional school as it's a highly ranked national university with a massive endowment and is in the top tier of research schools in the country, let alone the conference.

And by the way, UofL and UC were VERY close to being invited to the Big 12 last time around. There was a hard proposal on a 10 team structure (what actually happened) and a 12 team structure with UofL and UC. The Big 12 voted on both and decided they would expand to 12 later, if at all. This came straight from former UC President Williams (of course, after it had already fallen through, I wish I had the connections to get real time updates).

UC is far ahead of Tulane on the fake expansion list that probably will never happen...

I'm not gloating, nor do I think it's right. But when the governing body that controls your tuition levels, capital expenditures, appropriations from the state, and just about everything not day to day operations is in the pocket of OSU you have a problem. Even if they don't "directly control" all aspects they have so much influence it does not matter.

It's a huge conflict of interest. It's not right and should be fixed. I can think of any other major state with a football power that does it your way. Most other states have bifurcated their big football school out of other systems to prevent this conflict of interest. LSU is it's own system, then you have University of Louisiana system schools. Memphis vs Tenn, UT vs A&M, and UH, Michigan v Michigan State. Cal v UC. Etc. It's really unjust the way you guys have it set up, I'm sorry. I feel for you, I really do.

(12-07-2015 11:58 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:17 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

billybob777 Wrote:There are so many people who make conjecture on expansion without fully
"When Louisville turned down the big 12 for the ACC"-----Lie!! Louisville wasn't invited. Sen Mitch McConnel went on tv and begged and pleaded with the Big 12 to get in, in 2011, but Louisville was not invited to the Big 12. You also told another lie and said "the original plan was for Tulane to the big 12...."--- lie!!!! Tulane was never invited to the big 12. STOP lying Tulane fan.

(12-07-2015 11:02 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Tulane was vetted and confirmed to be on the short list but from everything I have ever read and heard only WVU and TCU were actually invited.... and it was pretty well known the next two in were actually Lville and Cinci. Tulane was closer then anyone else after that.
If BYU hadnt pissed off people, I think Lville and BYU would be in the Big 12.

Never said they were invited. You don't extend an invite until it's a done deal. When BYU said no thanks Tulane was the replacement. But when Louisville went to ACC instead they stayed at 10. No need to call me a liar, it's all well documented.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...nvite-most

Quote:There were a number of top candidates, the source said, including BYU, Louisville, West Virginia, TCU and previously unmentioned Tulane, of Conference USA. The source said the Big 12 has been contacted by a number of other schools about possible inclusion, as well.

On Thursday, the Big 12 invited TCU, which was supposed to begin membership in the Big East in 2012-13. The TCU board of trustees was scheduled to meet later in the day to discuss the invitation.

The source said that Tulane would become a viable option for the Big 12 if it were to grab four schools to beef up the membership to 12, in a situation where BYU decides it doesn't want to leave its football independence or its new tie to the WCC in all other sports. Tulane is interesting to the Big 12 because of its location in New Orleans and in a state, Louisiana, where the Big 12 is absent, as well as the school's renewed commitment to sports and facilities after Hurricane Katrina.

A source with knowledge of Tulane's situation told ESPN.com that the Green Wave have privately been making overtures to the Big East and Big 12 about possible membership but didn't want to upset Conference USA as that league looks to form a partnership with the Mountain West.

Tulane is also a member of the Association of American Universities -- the only AAU member listed as a possible addition. The prestigious AAU tag is something that the SEC has looked at as an important criterion for expansion, as evidenced by the league promoting Texas A&M as one of three AAU members in the SEC in a news release announcing the Aggies' addition. Florida and Vanderbilt are the other two in the SEC.

The Big 12 would be down to four AAU schools after the departure of Texas A&M, and down to three -- Texas, Kansas, and Iowa State -- if Missouri leaves.

The source cited the improved academics at TCU and Louisville as important aspects to possible inclusion in the Big 12.

Cincy was and is never going. Ohio State, and therefore University of Ohio board of regents, would never allow it.

The Ohio Board of Education (we have no board of regents...haven't in the last decade actually, but nice try) holds no decision making power on individual universities in the state of Ohio. They hold general policy jurisdiction and that's it, meaning that if they blocked UC from joining a large conference, they would have to do the same for Ohio State and all other institutions in the State of Ohio. Source of my information is my 15 years in Higher Education at various institutions in the State of Ohio, not some lame attempt to explain something away regardless of the fact that most states don't have an overarching system structure anymore.

Unfortunately that's not how things work. Politics is about personal relationships, pressure, and influence. If the Chancellor and Board of Regents (governing body of the Department of Education) don't want a member school President doing something, they won't.

Sure, perhaps a Cincy president could go rouge and give the powers that be the finger. I'd be all for it personally. But those things don't happen. You don't get to that level of power and authority without being politically connected to others.

Enjoy your lack of understanding of how the system of education in the State of Ohio works. It seems that no matter what I say you won't get it. I have experience working at Cincinnati, Ohio University, Toledo, and...Ohio State! I had to go through appropriate policy adjustment channels regardless of where I worked. John Carey, the Chancellor of the Board of Education (again, there is no Board of Regents in Ohio) is an alumni of Ohio University and worked at OU, Shawnee State, and Kent State...please note which school is not on that list. However, I say once again, please continue living in your bliss of misunderstanding.

(12-07-2015 11:45 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:27 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:05 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  cinn and memphis to big 12 north

coog high aint going anywhere

Cincy can't change who they are. No way BigXII ever takes a regional school in the same system as Ohio State. And even if they tried, Ohio State would never allow the University of Ohio system to sanction it. Sorry but thems the brakes.

Memphis is a promising pick but they aren't ready. Yet.

How does Ohio State have any say on UC's athletic conference membership? Certainly the mighty Ohio State would have blocked UC's move to the Big East, right? And describing UC as a regional school shows how little you comprehend the dynamics involved.

Ohio State is the flagship of the University of Ohio system. The board of regents is the governing body of all schools in the system, including Cincy. Athletic departments don't make realignment decisions, boards and presidents do. Cincy is in the (unfair) position of having the same governing body as OSU making their decisions for them.

Big East was collapsing and never really a strong football conference, it was a basketball conference that played football. It was already on the decline, with established football members leaving for the ACC. It didnt pose a threat to OSU. It just made the University System more money. Cincy to the BigXII poses a threat because it gives BigXII football a foothold in OSUs backyard, and gives Cincy the $ and legitimacy in football that the Big East didn't offer. It threatens OSU/B1G recruiting and market share, cannibalizing revenue and prestige from one part of the Ohio University System to another.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. Cincy should try to get out from underneath them somehow. UH and Memphis are both flagship of their own systems, and don't have to answer to a board controlled by UT or Tenn sycophants.

Doubling down, eh?

The board of regents can only make policy decisions. The school is run by their own board of trustees. Ohio State is only a member of the Ohio educational system, same as everyone else, not some dictator. They are flagship because they are perceived that way, not in terms of actual policy making decisions.

I invite you to actually do some research: https://www.ohiohighered.org/board

(12-07-2015 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  This past week drove two nails in the coffin of any short-term Big 12 expansion.

First, Oklahoma made the playoffs, debunking the notion that not having a CCG is some kind of fatal flaw in the Big 12's current structure concerning making the playoffs.

Second, with the release of the B1G's proposal, it is now clear that the Big 12 will get what it wants - the ability to create a CCG while having just ten teams, because the B1G proposal accepts that as well. There is no P5 opposition to the basic notion of having a CCG with 10 teams.

Big 10 is blocking the Big 12. They want to make it hard on them, and Boren saw the writing on the wall on this issue. That is why he is calling for the Big 12 to expand. He knows only being at 10 will hurt them in the long run.

They aren't blocking the Big 12. All the Big 12 would have to do is form divisions. That's easy to do.

But in the OP's referenced article, Bowlsby is sounding less confident about the measure passing and actually starting to consider expansion. Something has hit a snag.

(12-07-2015 11:45 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:27 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:05 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  cinn and memphis to big 12 north

coog high aint going anywhere

Cincy can't change who they are. No way BigXII ever takes a regional school in the same system as Ohio State. And even if they tried, Ohio State would never allow the University of Ohio system to sanction it. Sorry but thems the brakes.

Memphis is a promising pick but they aren't ready. Yet.

How does Ohio State have any say on UC's athletic conference membership? Certainly the mighty Ohio State would have blocked UC's move to the Big East, right? And describing UC as a regional school shows how little you comprehend the dynamics involved.

Ohio State is the flagship of the University of Ohio system. The board of regents is the governing body of all schools in the system, including Cincy. Athletic departments don't make realignment decisions, boards and presidents do. Cincy is in the (unfair) position of having the same governing body as OSU making their decisions for them.

Big East was collapsing and never really a strong football conference, it was a basketball conference that played football. It was already on the decline, with established football members leaving for the ACC. It didnt pose a threat to OSU. It just made the University System more money. Cincy to the BigXII poses a threat because it gives BigXII football a foothold in OSUs backyard, and gives Cincy the $ and legitimacy in football that the Big East didn't offer. It threatens OSU/B1G recruiting and market share, cannibalizing revenue and prestige from one part of the Ohio University System to another.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. Cincy should try to get out from underneath them somehow. UH and Memphis are both flagship of their own systems, and don't have to answer to a board controlled by UT or Tenn sycophants.

You are completely ignorant. Ohio does not have a flagship university system as in other states. UC is not a regional university in OSU's system. You simply don't know what you're talking about. UC and Ohio State have completely separate Boards of Trustees and both universities operate completely independently of each other in their governance. Ohio State would have no influence whatsoever in what conference UC would choose to go to should it be invited to go elsewhere.

(12-07-2015 12:12 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:45 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:27 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:05 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  cinn and memphis to big 12 north

coog high aint going anywhere

Cincy can't change who they are. No way BigXII ever takes a regional school in the same system as Ohio State. And even if they tried, Ohio State would never allow the University of Ohio system to sanction it. Sorry but thems the brakes.

Memphis is a promising pick but they aren't ready. Yet.

How does Ohio State have any say on UC's athletic conference membership? Certainly the mighty Ohio State would have blocked UC's move to the Big East, right? And describing UC as a regional school shows how little you comprehend the dynamics involved.

Ohio State is the flagship of the University of Ohio system. The board of regents is the governing body of all schools in the system, including Cincy. Athletic departments don't make realignment decisions, boards and presidents do. Cincy is in the (unfair) position of having the same governing body as OSU making their decisions for them.

Big East was collapsing and never really a strong football conference, it was a basketball conference that played football. It was already on the decline, with established football members leaving for the ACC. It didnt pose a threat to OSU. It just made the University System more money. Cincy to the BigXII poses a threat because it gives BigXII football a foothold in OSUs backyard, and gives Cincy the $ and legitimacy in football that the Big East didn't offer. It threatens OSU/B1G recruiting and market share, cannibalizing revenue and prestige from one part of the Ohio University System to another.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. Cincy should try to get out from underneath them somehow. UH and Memphis are both flagship of their own systems, and don't have to answer to a board controlled by UT or Tenn sycophants.

Doubling down, eh?

The board of regents can only make policy decisions. The school is run by their own board of trustees. Ohio State is only a member of the Ohio educational system, same as everyone else, not some dictator. They are flagship because they are perceived that way, not in terms of actual policy making decisions.

I invite you to actually do some research: https://www.ohiohighered.org/board

When you actually click that link, go through the details to get into what they actually do. The Chancellor has to approve tuition levels, CEAs, capital projects, even appropriations from the State legislature can't be released to a system school without chancellor approval.

Look, I work in politics. This is how these things work. Sure, it says on paper they don't get to make the decisions, and technically that is true. But technically congress doesn't get to make decisions on policy either. They just make the law and set funding. City councils don't set policy, they just pass ordinances and make appropriations. The NCAA doesn't make decisions for members either. But with power, especially the power of the purse, comes influence.

Things don't work they way you think they do. It's wrong, I hate it, and it should change. But power is nothing more than money, influence, and personal connections. Rules like "no power over individual decisions" while still controlling everything is a CYA smokescreen. Nothing more. No other state that I know of does it that way with more competitive football power and for good reason. Conflict of interest and moral hazards are real.

Of course the Big 12 is looking at expansion.

1. There is an expansion committee comprised of three presidents, two of which are known to be proponents of expansion (Boren, Gee).

2. The Big 12 can't hold a title game as the rules are currently written until they expand

3. The lack of a Big 12 title game cost Baylor and TCU a bid last year, and caused OU to drop from 3 to 4 this year.

(12-07-2015 11:45 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:27 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:05 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  cinn and memphis to big 12 north

coog high aint going anywhere

Cincy can't change who they are. No way BigXII ever takes a regional school in the same system as Ohio State. And even if they tried, Ohio State would never allow the University of Ohio system to sanction it. Sorry but thems the brakes.

Memphis is a promising pick but they aren't ready. Yet.

How does Ohio State have any say on UC's athletic conference membership? Certainly the mighty Ohio State would have blocked UC's move to the Big East, right? And describing UC as a regional school shows how little you comprehend the dynamics involved.

Ohio State is the flagship of the University of Ohio system. The board of regents is the governing body of all schools in the system, including Cincy. Athletic departments don't make realignment decisions, boards and presidents do. Cincy is in the (unfair) position of having the same governing body as OSU making their decisions for them.

Big East was collapsing and never really a strong football conference, it was a basketball conference that played football. It was already on the decline, with established football members leaving for the ACC. It didnt pose a threat to OSU. It just made the University System more money. Cincy to the BigXII poses a threat because it gives BigXII football a foothold in OSUs backyard, and gives Cincy the $ and legitimacy in football that the Big East didn't offer. It threatens OSU/B1G recruiting and market share, cannibalizing revenue and prestige from one part of the Ohio University System to another.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. Cincy should try to get out from underneath them somehow. UH and Memphis are both flagship of their own systems, and don't have to answer to a board controlled by UT or Tenn sycophants.

Well, this guy sure came up with a curious theory. I am fairly certain that the University System of Ohio has no direct control over the athletic associations of its member institutions. Moreover, Ohio State is a member, not the flagship of the System. Finally, I have yet to see any evidence that Ohio State seeks to suppress other Ohio institutions from advancing their athletic status. Cincinnati's inclusion in the Big XII is going to be decided by the existing members of the Big XII, not Ohio State.

Going to be a good time to be a Houston fan!!!

(12-07-2015 12:19 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 12:12 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:45 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:33 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:27 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  Cincy can't change who they are. No way BigXII ever takes a regional school in the same system as Ohio State. And even if they tried, Ohio State would never allow the University of Ohio system to sanction it. Sorry but thems the brakes.

Memphis is a promising pick but they aren't ready. Yet.

How does Ohio State have any say on UC's athletic conference membership? Certainly the mighty Ohio State would have blocked UC's move to the Big East, right? And describing UC as a regional school shows how little you comprehend the dynamics involved.

Ohio State is the flagship of the University of Ohio system. The board of regents is the governing body of all schools in the system, including Cincy. Athletic departments don't make realignment decisions, boards and presidents do. Cincy is in the (unfair) position of having the same governing body as OSU making their decisions for them.

Big East was collapsing and never really a strong football conference, it was a basketball conference that played football. It was already on the decline, with established football members leaving for the ACC. It didnt pose a threat to OSU. It just made the University System more money. Cincy to the BigXII poses a threat because it gives BigXII football a foothold in OSUs backyard, and gives Cincy the $ and legitimacy in football that the Big East didn't offer. It threatens OSU/B1G recruiting and market share, cannibalizing revenue and prestige from one part of the Ohio University System to another.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. Cincy should try to get out from underneath them somehow. UH and Memphis are both flagship of their own systems, and don't have to answer to a board controlled by UT or Tenn sycophants.

Doubling down, eh?

The board of regents can only make policy decisions. The school is run by their own board of trustees. Ohio State is only a member of the Ohio educational system, same as everyone else, not some dictator. They are flagship because they are perceived that way, not in terms of actual policy making decisions.

I invite you to actually do some research: https://www.ohiohighered.org/board

When you actually click that link, go through the details to get into what they actually do. The Chancellor has to approve tuition levels, CEAs, capital projects, even appropriations from the State legislature can't be released to a system school without chancellor approval.

Look, I work in politics. This is how these things work. Sure, it says on paper they don't get to make the decisions, and technically that is true. But technically congress doesn't get to make decisions on policy either. They just make the law and set funding. City councils don't set policy, they just pass ordinances and make appropriations. The NCAA doesn't make decisions for members either. But with power, especially the power of the purse, comes influence.

Things don't work they way you think they do. It's wrong, I hate it, and it should change. But power is nothing more than money, influence, and personal connections. Rules like "no power over individual decisions" while still controlling everything is a CYA smokescreen. Nothing more. No other state that I know of does it that way with more competitive football power and for good reason. Conflict of interest and moral hazards are real.

I'm very familiar with the Ohio Department of Education, I think you should do a bit more reading. You work in politics? We have someone else who actually works in academia in Ohio. I think we all know who to listen to.

And if what you say is true, why in the world was UC allowed, with only trustee approval, to renovate both their football stadium and basketball arena? Wouldn't the 'powers that be' want to prevent exactly that from happening. That is exactly defined as a capital project. And no higher approval was needed than the UC BoT. No conference situation would require state of Ohio approval, and the BoT would approve without even asking or needing to ask.

You are establishing widesweeping statements of the state of power and money that have very little relevance to the situation are discussing. You are like a bad episode of Fox19 investigates. Take a break man.

Tulane University had the benefit of not being under anyone else's control for the last 15 years under Dickson.

Tulane did NOTHING with that power. It may be too late for any sort of P5 invite.

The good news is that the new AD isn't as chit as the old one, and the AAC is a good conference for Tulane.

nobody cares about the aac an they didn't care about the big east either, bottom line is the buck, we may loose 1 school soon sadly.

the big 12 may go to 14, they have an agenda and that agenda is to eliminate any threats to their money making p5 boys club.