(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
Yeah...you have a pretty nice record...it's just the perception of a conference champion playing a 4th or 5th place finisher in a peer conference...ya know??? What would you think if you won the CUSA CCG and had to play a 4th or 5th place AAC or MWC team in a bowl? You would not be happy.
Perception Here's the perception of Tech playing the Sunbelt:
You need to worry about 2015 a little more...just sayin'
(12-07-2015 01:09 PM)kb325 Wrote: No disrespect to La Tech but I wish we were playing a 6-6 B1G or ACC team...better exposure.
You do realize the Sunbelt has no ties in with the ACC or B1G. Your choices this year are the MAC, and the 8th place team with a losing record from the MWC.
Obviously Arkansas State made a smart decision and chose to play the best team available for the Sunbelt Conference.
We don't get a say in the process. Bowls choose here.
We wanted Southern Miss or Bowling Green out of the potential opponents. You always want to play the best available team, surely you guys understand that.
Though, I would have played you guys over a 6-6 AAC or MWC. None of those teams are any good.
I don't blame you. I can't imagine Arkansas State Fans are thrilled about playing a 4th place G5 team in a bowl game. You should absolutely want better for your school. Frankly as a conference you should all be in an uproar that you don't have some better bowls to send teams to.
Arkansas State is certainly better for us than playing a 6-6 MAC team. Almost anyone would have traded this game for a chance to play a P5 team as would Arkansas State. A lot of Tech fans would probably have enjoyed playing an old WAC foe as well.
People have brought up the 2012 deal. I'm in the minority, but I am not broken up at all about missing out on the I-bowl vs ULM that year. If I'm starving and you offer me a crap sandwich I am at least going to think about it before I chow down. This year is not that situation. NO bowl vs StAte is much better than the 2012 I-bowl would have been. The sad part is our 2012 situation would have been beneficial this year. I still wouldn't go back to only having a few tie ins because that is a dangerous way to live.
If Tech and StAte come to play I think this will be a good game that could go either way. If either team doesn't show up then 3+touchdown blowout is certainly a possibility. Unfortunately I think Tech is more likely to not show up, particularly given how we finished the season with a lot on the line.
(08-05-1974 11:21 AM)chiefsfan
[b' Wrote: Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. [/b]
That is exactly what they are and it's been that way for years. I can think of three examples right off of the top of my head:
Last year the SBC gave up its tie to NIU and released them to the Boca Raton bowl.
In 2001, The Motor City Bowl was the MAC Champ's destination, but Marshall had accepted the invite to the GMAC Bowl (in Mobile) even before the MACC game was played...
CUSA has no tie to the Military Bowl, but Marshall played Maryland in 2013.... So yes, bowls are juggled all of the time.
The Go Daddy Bowl worked with its long term conference partner, the MAC. Not the Sun Belt. They got the champion this time.
They sometimes are juggled. But you can't count on the juggling to take place all the time. Or to juggle in a way that helps you.
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
You beat the 9th place team in the sun belt at your place. Big deal, so did Troy and New Mexico State.
If you guys had done anything but win that game it would have been shocking. Done get hung up by ull because of the instate teams. They were awful this year
(12-07-2015 01:09 PM)kb325 Wrote: No disrespect to La Tech but I wish we were playing a 6-6 B1G or ACC team...better exposure.
You do realize the Sunbelt has no ties in with the ACC or B1G. Your choices this year are the MAC, and the 8th place team with a losing record from the MWC.
Obviously Arkansas State made a smart decision and chose to play the best team available for the Sunbelt Conference.
We made no decision. NOLA calls says wanna go, we said yes. What we did when GoDaddy called.
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
NOLA tried to switch but AAC wouldn't sign on (then turned around did the Cure Bowl) with the Sun Belt on CBS Sports Net, leaving the western side of AAC underserved on bowls.
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
You blasted the 2014 Sun Belt co-champions. You've never blasted the Sun Belt champion twice because you've not played two teams that won the Sun Belt.
(08-05-1974 11:21 AM)chiefsfan
[b' Wrote: Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. [/b]
That is exactly what they are and it's been that way for years. I can think of three examples right off of the top of my head:
Last year the SBC gave up its tie to NIU and released them to the Boca Raton bowl.
In 2001, The Motor City Bowl was the MAC Champ's destination, but Marshall had accepted the invite to the GMAC Bowl (in Mobile) even before the MACC game was played...
CUSA has no tie to the Military Bowl, but Marshall played Maryland in 2013.... So yes, bowls are juggled all of the time.
NIU was released because the Sun Belt champion wasn't available.
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
You blasted the 2014 Sun Belt co-champions. You've never blasted the Sun Belt champion twice because you've not played two teams that won the Sun Belt.
I think he was saying the New Orleans Bowl champion from the Sunbelt, not sunbelt champs.
I'm going to beat the drum uselessly for regionally-based bowl selections, instead of conference-based. Have a certain number of bowls pegged to the top teams in a conference (top three or four in P5, top two in G5) then let the other bowls make their best matchups based on a larger pool of available teams. It seems silly that G5 schools in the mid-Atlantic can't have a shot at playing in the Belk Bowl, or CUSA and Sun Belt teams in the Military Bowl. Maybe the proposed Charleston bowl would provide some relief.
(08-05-1974 11:21 AM)chiefsfan
[b' Wrote: Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. [/b]
That is exactly what they are and it's been that way for years. I can think of three examples right off of the top of my head:
Last year the SBC gave up its tie to NIU and released them to the Boca Raton bowl.
In 2001, The Motor City Bowl was the MAC Champ's destination, but Marshall had accepted the invite to the GMAC Bowl (in Mobile) even before the MACC game was played...
CUSA has no tie to the Military Bowl, but Marshall played Maryland in 2013.... So yes, bowls are juggled all of the time.
NIU was released because the Sun Belt champion wasn't available.
arkstfan is correct. Georgia Southern last years Sun Belt champs could not go to a bowl game last year due to some dumb NCAA rule put in place because of Marshall.
It has become apparent that the AAC is separating itself from the pack.
They have FOUR P5 opponents, their 6th placed team plays the MWC CHAMPION, and their 4th placed team plays the CUSA CHAMPION. On top of playing in the Access Bowl, having the largest attendance, best TV contract, best TV numbers, largest apparel deals, best basketball......... I could go on and on.
When is the pant suit or our programs going to step up and do something to challenge? Don't give me the last year we were ahead BS.
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(12-07-2015 04:38 PM)HerdinNY Wrote: It has become apparent that the AAC is separating itself from the pack.
They have FOUR P5 opponents, their 6th placed team plays the MWC CHAMPION, and their 4th placed team plays the CUSA CHAMPION. On top of playing in the Access Bowl, having the largest attendance, best TV contract, best TV numbers, largest apparel deals, best basketball......... I could go on and on.
When is the pant suit or our programs going to step up and do something to challenge? Don't give me the last year we were ahead BS.
I hate the whole "P6! Tweener Conference!" wanking as much as the next fan of a non-AAC G5 program, but fair's fair: the AAC is much better positioned by almost all stable metrics than the other conferences. Not so much that you could say that they're closer to the AAC or Big 12 than CUSA or the MWC, but enough that in most years, they should have the best football and basketball programs.
I don't know what a conference commissioner can do to engender better programs. CUSA can ban non-DI basketball games in-season, but that's a move more for optics and getting the lower programs up a bit than it is making the conference stronger. I don't think they'd have much luck enforcing an attendance or athletic budget minimum.
CUSA did as much as it could to challenge for G5 supremacy by adding athletic programs in growth corridors with potential, even over more established programs (Charlotte, UTSA, FIU, FAU, Old Dominion) — in the hopes that if they mature and become strong programs, they then join the traditional powers and make CUSA a far better conference than it was five or 10 years prior. But it's gonna take time. A whole lot of precious time.
(12-06-2015 06:08 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Thanks for the comic relief
What kind of conference champion would be excited about playing a middle tier G5 program in a bowl? We were quietly hoping HOD would get stuck with a MWC team and Southern Miss would choose New Orleans, but you can't fault the Eagles for going for a P5 game.
Everyone strives to play better teams...it's how College Football works.
It is rather interesting how ASU got LaTech while Georgia Southern got MAC Champ BGSU.
I've never quite understood the lovefest the state of Alabama has with it's bowl game tie-ins with the MAC. 2 of the 3 (Mobile and Montgomery) are SunBelt vs MAC while Birmingham is SEC-AAC. I get it with the SunBelt as it's in their footprint but why would they not want at least one with a CUSA tie in is beyond me
The Mobile bowl used to have a CUSA tie in. There were problems. First, one team openly directed its fans to stay in Mississippi Casino hotels and publicly disparaged the bowl and the city. Then they tried to play games with the picks, with teams from the conference openly campaigning for the bowl to not pick them. And one school publicly stating that they might turn down a bid from the Mobile Bowl if they were picked. Those teams are no longer part of CUSA though. And it was a long time ago. But the SBC / MAC game works for them.
The MAC tie in has been there for a long time. People in the MAC are used to coming down to Mobile for the game. The Sun Belt is also, for obvious reasons, a natural fit for the Bowl.
And with 40 Bowl games, usually getting the first or second pick from the Belt and the MAC probably gives them a better than average matchup. Especially with the payouts that this non-ESPN owned bowl is going to be able to provide.
I think the Montgomery Bowl seeding was a marriage of convenience between two conferences that needed tie ins because they kept having bowl eligible teams with no place to play. I think they'd like to have a CUSA team rather than a MAC one. But I'm just guessing.
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With regards to the matchup this year in the GoDaddy Bowl. I think what happened is that ULL was unavailable and the NO Bowl wanted a team that would send fans. stAte probably wanted to change things up a bit. And the GoDaddy probably wanted a change too. As to why the GDB went for Georgia Southern over App, I have no idea. However, chatter is that Georgia Southern brought a lot of fans to Mobile last year when they played South Alabama.
Which team is the guilty party???? I guess my mind isn't what it use to be as I don't remember but not doubting one bit that it's true. Thanks
(12-06-2015 07:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: What kind of conference champion would be excited about playing a middle tier G5 program in a bowl? We were quietly hoping HOD would get stuck with a MWC team and Southern Miss would choose New Orleans, but you can't fault the Eagles for going for a P5 game.
Everyone strives to play better teams...it's how College Football works.
It is rather interesting how ASU got LaTech while Georgia Southern got MAC Champ BGSU.
I've never quite understood the lovefest the state of Alabama has with it's bowl game tie-ins with the MAC. 2 of the 3 (Mobile and Montgomery) are SunBelt vs MAC while Birmingham is SEC-AAC. I get it with the SunBelt as it's in their footprint but why would they not want at least one with a CUSA tie in is beyond me
The Mobile bowl used to have a CUSA tie in. There were problems. First, one team openly directed its fans to stay in Mississippi Casino hotels and publicly disparaged the bowl and the city. Then they tried to play games with the picks, with teams from the conference openly campaigning for the bowl to not pick them. And one school publicly stating that they might turn down a bid from the Mobile Bowl if they were picked. Those teams are no longer part of CUSA though. And it was a long time ago. But the SBC / MAC game works for them.
The MAC tie in has been there for a long time. People in the MAC are used to coming down to Mobile for the game. The Sun Belt is also, for obvious reasons, a natural fit for the Bowl.
And with 40 Bowl games, usually getting the first or second pick from the Belt and the MAC probably gives them a better than average matchup. Especially with the payouts that this non-ESPN owned bowl is going to be able to provide.
I think the Montgomery Bowl seeding was a marriage of convenience between two conferences that needed tie ins because they kept having bowl eligible teams with no place to play. I think they'd like to have a CUSA team rather than a MAC one. But I'm just guessing.
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With regards to the matchup this year in the GoDaddy Bowl. I think what happened is that ULL was unavailable and the NO Bowl wanted a team that would send fans. stAte probably wanted to change things up a bit. And the GoDaddy probably wanted a change too. As to why the GDB went for Georgia Southern over App, I have no idea. However, chatter is that Georgia Southern brought a lot of fans to Mobile last year when they played South Alabama.
Which team is the guilty party???? I guess my mind isn't what it use to be as I don't remember but not doubting one bit that it's true. Thanks
TCU was the most guilty party. There were other problems too.
(This post was last modified: 12-07-2015 05:08 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(12-07-2015 04:38 PM)HerdinNY Wrote: It has become apparent that the AAC is separating itself from the pack.
They have FOUR P5 opponents, their 6th placed team plays the MWC CHAMPION, and their 4th placed team plays the CUSA CHAMPION. On top of playing in the Access Bowl, having the largest attendance, best TV contract, best TV numbers, largest apparel deals, best basketball......... I could go on and on.
When is the pant suit or our programs going to step up and do something to challenge? Don't give me the last year we were ahead BS.
For the next few years, the AAC will be holding on to some old glory. They are the remnants of the Big East - the P6 bastard child that was left behind. As time goes by, they will slip and be on the same level as the other G5 conferences. In a few years, the bowls will probably reorganize where all the G5 champions get a crack at 7-5 or 6-6 P5 school. Of course, the AAC thinks they will re-elevate to a P5 conference, but that is a pipe dream.
(12-07-2015 04:38 PM)HerdinNY Wrote: It has become apparent that the AAC is separating itself from the pack.
They have FOUR P5 opponents, their 6th placed team plays the MWC CHAMPION, and their 4th placed team plays the CUSA CHAMPION. On top of playing in the Access Bowl, having the largest attendance, best TV contract, best TV numbers, largest apparel deals, best basketball......... I could go on and on.
When is the pant suit or our programs going to step up and do something to challenge? Don't give me the last year we were ahead BS.
For the next few years, the AAC will be holding on to some old glory. They are the remnants of the Big East - the P6 bastard child that was left behind. As time goes by, they will slip and be on the same level as the other G5 conferences. In a few years, the bowls will probably reorganize where all the G5 champions get a crack at 7-5 or 6-6 P5 school. Of course, the AAC thinks they will re-elevate to a P5 conference, but that is a pipe dream.
What evidence do you have to support this theory? Only Cincy and UConn were BE remnants, the rest came from CUSA + Navy/Temple. They all have bigger athletic budgets, the TV contract was negotiated with this makeup, the bowl contracts were signed with this makeup (not the BE). I don't see why its so hard for us to accept that they have the higher profile conference.
(12-07-2015 01:09 PM)kb325 Wrote: No disrespect to La Tech but I wish we were playing a 6-6 B1G or ACC team...better exposure.
You do realize the Sunbelt has no ties in with the ACC or B1G. Your choices this year are the MAC, and the 8th place team with a losing record from the MWC.
Obviously Arkansas State made a smart decision and chose to play the best team available for the Sunbelt Conference.
We don't get a say in the process. Bowls choose here.
We wanted Southern Miss or Bowling Green out of the potential opponents. You always want to play the best available team, surely you guys understand that.
Though, I would have played you guys over a 6-6 AAC or MWC. None of those teams are any good.
so you're saying southern miss and bowling green were the best available teams? really?
(12-07-2015 01:09 PM)kb325 Wrote: No disrespect to La Tech but I wish we were playing a 6-6 B1G or ACC team...better exposure.
You do realize the Sunbelt has no ties in with the ACC or B1G. Your choices this year are the MAC, and the 8th place team with a losing record from the MWC.
Obviously Arkansas State made a smart decision and chose to play the best team available for the Sunbelt Conference.
We don't get a say in the process. Bowls choose here.
We wanted Southern Miss or Bowling Green out of the potential opponents. You always want to play the best available team, surely you guys understand that.
Though, I would have played you guys over a 6-6 AAC or MWC. None of those teams are any good.
so you're saying southern miss and bowling green were the best available teams? really?
Available to us, yes. Western was going to Florida. We were not getting a p5 by contract