(12-07-2015 11:11 AM)NCeagle Wrote: honest question here, and not trying to flame/trash talk....
why do LT fans feel that they are too good to play ark state or the sun belt in general. I've read a bunch of their forum posters act as if they are too good for this match up. I mean, this is what, the first time they've ever gone back to back in bowl appearances, right? I'm just trying to figure out why a team that hasn't been in many bowls, seems to think they are too good for certain ones.
is there something I'm missing?
oh the back to back bowl argument. Here's a history lesson, Tech has had many teams that would have gone to a bowl in Todays bowl enviroment. We havent been in conferenceUsa since 1995 and spent many years as independent.
(12-07-2015 11:11 AM)NCeagle Wrote: honest question here, and not trying to flame/trash talk....
why do LT fans feel that they are too good to play ark state or the sun belt in general. I've read a bunch of their forum posters act as if they are too good for this match up. I mean, this is what, the first time they've ever gone back to back in bowl appearances, right? I'm just trying to figure out why a team that hasn't been in many bowls, seems to think they are too good for certain ones.
is there something I'm missing?
oh the back to back bowl argument. Here's a history lesson, Tech has had many teams that would have gone to a bowl in Todays bowl enviroment. We havent been in conferenceUsa since 1995 and spent many years as independent.
ok. So can you answer my question? Why do LT fans seem to be so picky about who they play, and come across as if they are too good to play ark state? Sure, you guys have had some good teams, but fact of the matter is that you guys haven't been regular bowl teams. Why do some of you come across and act as if you are UGA or UF getting matched up against a CUSA or Belt team?
I thought you were a USM fan nevermind because it is really simple, Why would any team want to play the worst conference in college football?
No need to discusss this anymore because the bowls are set, Tech is going to have to play its A-game to beat Ark State. Ark State is good and whooped App State who put the beat down on our conference mate ODU
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(12-06-2015 08:36 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: The most dangerous to be a neutral spectator at would be western vs south florida. 2 worst groups we ever had in this league. Great potential for a knife fight to break loose.
Moonshiners vs Scarface
lol....toss in ucf and you have a gang banger war in waiting.....
I can't believe ky jellos chose the amercanized cuban bowl....for that, we owe them a xmas card.....
I understand the recruiting aspect.....but that was as silly as us choosing how-r-ya.....
(12-07-2015 11:11 AM)NCeagle Wrote: honest question here, and not trying to flame/trash talk....
why do LT fans feel that they are too good to play ark state or the sun belt in general. I've read a bunch of their forum posters act as if they are too good for this match up. I mean, this is what, the first time they've ever gone back to back in bowl appearances, right? I'm just trying to figure out why a team that hasn't been in many bowls, seems to think they are too good for certain ones.
is there something I'm missing?
oh the back to back bowl argument. Here's a history lesson, Tech has had many teams that would have gone to a bowl in Todays bowl enviroment. We havent been in conferenceUsa since 1995 and spent many years as independent.
ok. So can you answer my question? Why do LT fans seem to be so picky about who they play, and come across as if they are too good to play ark state? Sure, you guys have had some good teams, but fact of the matter is that you guys haven't been regular bowl teams. Why do some of you come across and act as if you are UGA or UF getting matched up against a CUSA or Belt team?
Please refrain from lumping us all into one category.
(12-06-2015 06:13 PM)papa_dawg Wrote: I'm just happy to have another game; ASU or anyone else.
Sitting at home without a game to play is a much worse fate.
(12-06-2015 08:36 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote: The most dangerous to be a neutral spectator at would be western vs south florida. 2 worst groups we ever had in this league. Great potential for a knife fight to break loose.
Moonshiners vs Scarface
lol....toss in ucf and you have a gang banger war in waiting.....
I can't believe ky jellos chose the amercanized cuban bowl....for that, we owe them a xmas card.....
I understand the recruiting aspect.....but that was as silly as us choosing how-r-ya.....
Paying homage to Robert Duvall, " I love the smell of hate in the morning!"
(12-07-2015 11:11 AM)NCeagle Wrote: honest question here, and not trying to flame/trash talk....
why do LT fans feel that they are too good to play ark state or the sun belt in general. I've read a bunch of their forum posters act as if they are too good for this match up. I mean, this is what, the first time they've ever gone back to back in bowl appearances, right? I'm just trying to figure out why a team that hasn't been in many bowls, seems to think they are too good for certain ones.
is there something I'm missing?
oh the back to back bowl argument. Here's a history lesson, Tech has had many teams that would have gone to a bowl in Todays bowl enviroment. We havent been in conferenceUsa since 1995 and spent many years as independent.
ok. So can you answer my question? Why do LT fans seem to be so picky about who they play, and come across as if they are too good to play ark state? Sure, you guys have had some good teams, but fact of the matter is that you guys haven't been regular bowl teams. Why do some of you come across and act as if you are UGA or UF getting matched up against a CUSA or Belt team?
I think a lot of it is with the old timers. Tech used to be rivals with Arkansas State and NLU and USL back in the 70's. Playing them in an FBS bowl game feels like a 1970's FCS game to them.
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(12-06-2015 05:03 PM)usm99 Wrote: New Orleans - La Tech vs Arkansas St
Bahamas - Middle Tennessee vs Western Michigan
Dallas - USM vs Washington
Miami - WKU vs USF
St Pete - Marshall vs UConn
What's your opinion on your destination as well as your opponent
Not thrilled about playing a 4th place team from another G5 conference. It's going to put a lot of pressure on us to have to win to back up the talk out of our administration that we are on level with the top of the AAC.
That being said, we likely face that pressure in any bowl, and we have history with Tech, so we'll do what we have to do. I wanted a G5 champ or a P5 team...but that wasn't going to happen.
I have seen Louisiana Tech play for approximately one quarter this year. (Southern Miss game) I know they still have that RB that Malzahn didn't want for some reason, and that the QB does a good job limiting interceptions. Our defense leads the nation in interceptions and defensive touchdowns, so something will have to give there.
Thanks for the comic relief
What kind of conference champion would be excited about playing a middle tier G5 program in a bowl? We were quietly hoping HOD would get stuck with a MWC team and Southern Miss would choose New Orleans, but you can't fault the Eagles for going for a P5 game.
Everyone strives to play better teams...it's how College Football works.
It is rather interesting how ASU got LaTech while Georgia Southern got MAC Champ BGSU.
Sun Belt lets the bowls choose who gets who. As long as the champ and any co champs are sent somewhere, anywhere, than bowls can take whoever they please. We won outright titles in 2011 and 2012, but went to Go daddy because ULL was bowl eligible, and New Orleans wanted their fan base.
The real question I don't get is that I don't understand why we feel New Orleans needs the first pick. The issue with this game is we're not going to get any attention if AState beats Tech because it's our champ beating a 4th place team. Beating another G5 champ is what is needed for this league. However, the SBC pecking order is based on longevity, so New Orleans gets our first pick for that reason.
I mean, I'm sure it will be a fun game, we're thrilled to get a chance to finally play in the Super Dome, it's just a shame that this is the best we could get.
(12-07-2015 01:09 PM)kb325 Wrote: No disrespect to La Tech but I wish we were playing a 6-6 B1G or ACC team...better exposure.
You do realize the Sunbelt has no ties in with the ACC or B1G. Your choices this year are the MAC, and the 8th place team with a losing record from the MWC.
Obviously Arkansas State made a smart decision and chose to play the best team available for the Sunbelt Conference.
(12-06-2015 05:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: Not thrilled about playing a 4th place team from another G5 conference. It's going to put a lot of pressure on us to have to win to back up the talk out of our administration that we are on level with the top of the AAC.
That being said, we likely face that pressure in any bowl, and we have history with Tech, so we'll do what we have to do. I wanted a G5 champ or a P5 team...but that wasn't going to happen.
I have seen Louisiana Tech play for approximately one quarter this year. (Southern Miss game) I know they still have that RB that Malzahn didn't want for some reason, and that the QB does a good job limiting interceptions. Our defense leads the nation in interceptions and defensive touchdowns, so something will have to give there.
Thanks for the comic relief
What kind of conference champion would be excited about playing a middle tier G5 program in a bowl? We were quietly hoping HOD would get stuck with a MWC team and Southern Miss would choose New Orleans, but you can't fault the Eagles for going for a P5 game.
Everyone strives to play better teams...it's how College Football works.
It is rather interesting how ASU got LaTech while Georgia Southern got MAC Champ BGSU.
I've never quite understood the lovefest the state of Alabama has with it's bowl game tie-ins with the MAC. 2 of the 3 (Mobile and Montgomery) are SunBelt vs MAC while Birmingham is SEC-AAC. I get it with the SunBelt as it's in their footprint but why would they not want at least one with a CUSA tie in is beyond me
The Mobile bowl used to have a CUSA tie in. There were problems. First, one team openly directed its fans to stay in Mississippi Casino hotels and publicly disparaged the bowl and the city. Then they tried to play games with the picks, with teams from the conference openly campaigning for the bowl to not pick them. And one school publicly stating that they might turn down a bid from the Mobile Bowl if they were picked. Those teams are no longer part of CUSA though. And it was a long time ago. But the SBC / MAC game works for them.
The MAC tie in has been there for a long time. People in the MAC are used to coming down to Mobile for the game. The Sun Belt is also, for obvious reasons, a natural fit for the Bowl.
And with 40 Bowl games, usually getting the first or second pick from the Belt and the MAC probably gives them a better than average matchup. Especially with the payouts that this non-ESPN owned bowl is going to be able to provide.
I think the Montgomery Bowl seeding was a marriage of convenience between two conferences that needed tie ins because they kept having bowl eligible teams with no place to play. I think they'd like to have a CUSA team rather than a MAC one. But I'm just guessing.
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With regards to the matchup this year in the GoDaddy Bowl. I think what happened is that ULL was unavailable and the NO Bowl wanted a team that would send fans. stAte probably wanted to change things up a bit. And the GoDaddy probably wanted a change too. As to why the GDB went for Georgia Southern over App, I have no idea. However, chatter is that Georgia Southern brought a lot of fans to Mobile last year when they played South Alabama.
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(12-07-2015 01:09 PM)kb325 Wrote: No disrespect to La Tech but I wish we were playing a 6-6 B1G or ACC team...better exposure.
You do realize the Sunbelt has no ties in with the ACC or B1G. Your choices this year are the MAC, and the 8th place team with a losing record from the MWC.
Obviously Arkansas State made a smart decision and chose to play the best team available for the Sunbelt Conference.
We don't get a say in the process. Bowls choose here.
We wanted Southern Miss or Bowling Green out of the potential opponents. You always want to play the best available team, surely you guys understand that.
Though, I would have played you guys over a 6-6 AAC or MWC. None of those teams are any good.
I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
Yeah...you have a pretty nice record...it's just the perception of a conference champion playing a 4th or 5th place finisher in a peer conference...ya know??? What would you think if you won the CUSA CCG and had to play a 4th or 5th place AAC or MWC team in a bowl? You would not be happy.
(12-07-2015 02:01 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote: I personally can understand why Tech fans would not want the NO bowl, but I actually think it will be great exposure for them. Seriously, I would tell as many local high school talent players to show up and watch the bowl game and consider going to play at Tech...being in the state of LA and all. But again, I understand why they would not want the NO bowl because I can't stand for USM to end up in that bowl. Personally, I wish we just gave that bowl to another conference and switch it out with another.
It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
Yeah...you have a pretty nice record...it's just the perception of a conference champion playing a 4th or 5th place finisher in a peer conference...ya know??? What would you think if you won the CUSA CCG and had to play a 4th or 5th place AAC or MWC team in a bowl? You would not be happy.
Perception Here's the perception of Tech playing the Sunbelt:
(08-05-1974 11:21 AM)chiefsfan
[b' Wrote: Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. [/b]
That is exactly what they are and it's been that way for years. I can think of three examples right off of the top of my head:
Last year the SBC gave up its tie to NIU and released them to the Boca Raton bowl.
In 2001, The Motor City Bowl was the MAC Champ's destination, but Marshall had accepted the invite to the GMAC Bowl (in Mobile) even before the MACC game was played...
CUSA has no tie to the Military Bowl, but Marshall played Maryland in 2013.... So yes, bowls are juggled all of the time.
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