(12-07-2015 02:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: It's this type thinking that cost CUSA their bowl tie in with Mobile. The minute you start thinking you are above a bowl game is the minute that bowl drops you for someone else.
Bowls are not a pack of trading cards that you can just hand off to someone else. Although if ESPN keeps buying bowl games and taking powers out of the hands of local bowl organizing committee's, I guess that could end up happening.
Look, Arkansas State isn't thrilled that the caliber of competition for the SBC's New Orleans Bowl opponent isn't as high as it could be. But we're not stupid enough to even breathe a word of that publicly. You tick off the wrong people at some of these bowls, and that invite that you may really need a few years later when you've got a team full of Freshman that finished 6-6 and needs the valuable practice time.
Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
Yeah...you have a pretty nice record...it's just the perception of a conference champion playing a 4th or 5th place finisher in a peer conference...ya know??? What would you think if you won the CUSA CCG and had to play a 4th or 5th place AAC or MWC team in a bowl? You would not be happy.
Good question for WKU fans as they are playing the 4th place team in the AAC
I believe this is mostly State and Louisiana fans colluding to egg-on La Tech folk. Tech wants to point to beating ULL two years running, and they were the third place team in the conference last season and even worse this season. This should be about two in-state schools competing but instead it's been a conference thing. Without discussing the conference since the arrival or Southern and App, and how that has coincided with the downfall of ULL, to take a shot at the belt by taking a shot at ULL actually undermines the argument.
Also, the AAC is not really in the class of the greater G5 competition wise. Their record against P5 conferences this season shows that much.
Too bad you weren't around for all the ULL smack talk we heard all summer from the Cajun fans prior to meeting in 2014 at Cajun field when they had a lot coming back and we didn't ... Guess they probably forgot to bring that up when discussing us
(12-07-2015 11:30 AM)NCeagle Wrote: ok. So can you answer my question? Why do LT fans seem to be so picky about who they play, and come across as if they are too good to play ark state? Sure, you guys have had some good teams, but fact of the matter is that you guys haven't been regular bowl teams. Why do some of you come across and act as if you are UGA or UF getting matched up against a CUSA or Belt team?
I think a lot of it is with the old timers. Tech used to be rivals with Arkansas State and NLU and USL back in the 70's. Playing them in an FBS bowl game feels like a 1970's FCS game to them.
Also Tech, ULL, ASU, and N. Illinois all had a hard time finding a conference in the 90s. We four were in the Big Westcinference for a short period in early 90s. We all got kicked out. We were all independent. Then SBC began to form FBS football. Right as that was about to come to fruition we got WAC offer. SBC forced to look to ULM to make conference exist. Lots of hurt feelings over that. Add in Tech wanting to be away from ULM like UTEP doesn't want to be in a conference with NMSU and some of that drama spilled over to all SBC during early 2000s. A lot of animosity between SBC and Tech. So no one at Tech is excited and it sounds like ASU fans aren't either. But we are stuck with each other and I think by time game gets here most tech fans will support team and game.
If Tech had turned down the WAC, ULM wouldn't have gotten in the Sun Belt.
I visited with the Big West commissioner before the kickout and he was blunt, unless they could get to 12 the current arrangement wasn't going to stay in place and AState, ULL, Tech weren't in favor of ULM and they couldn't get there without them.
There was a meeting where all Big West, Sun Belt and regional indies were present and told to submit a letter saying in or out and were told to not release any statement on it. Then the full Sun Belt would vote on which (if any) to invite all sports and AState, the Cajuns and Dogs would vote on which (if any) to invite football only.
ULM broke the deal by releasing the letter and for whatever reason Tech reacted by saying they wouldn't join (hell Boise had committed to join) Tech bailing led to UCF bailing.
Then the WAC invite came and there was a reset period.
Only then did ULM get an invite and it was football only.
Fast forward and the NCAA adopts a rule requiring FBS leagues to have 8 full members playing FBS.
What did the Sun Belt do? Invited Utah State, Idaho and Troy to become full members. Needing full members to survive the Sun Belt passed on adding ULM as a full member.
Only when the WAC took USU, NMSU (and later Idaho) did ULM get full membership. The members were willing to send their volleyball teams to Moscow, Idaho and Logan, Utah to not add ULM as a full member.
If Tech says no to the WAC, ULM never becomes a football only member of the Sun Belt, UCF probably never joins the MAC. If Tech bolts the WAC for the Sun Belt when the 8 member rule comes down, ULM doesn't get full membership.
ULM would have dropped to FCS or dropped football by 2005 or 06 because getting the required home games without a conference would have been all but impossible.
The closest thing to bad blood was Sun Belt bylaws barred departing teams from hosting championship events and Tech was scheduled to host the women's hoops tournament. There was some squawking about that but it wasn't like the members passed it at the last second to single out Tech, it was already on the books, I mean it's not like the CAA where departing teams are barred from even participating in the conference tournaments.
Good post and I remember hearing that UCF was going to join the Sunbelt only if we did for some reason. We had a short series with them in the 90's when both teams were pretty good so maybe that was the reason.
UCF's president at the time was really good friends with Reneau
(12-07-2015 02:54 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: Caliber?? Tech finished 8-4, 6-2 in conference and has blasted the Sunbelt NO bowl Champs two years in a row. A-State won 1 more game than Tech so I think the Caliber is pretty equal. BTW the vegas lines have already flipped in Tech's favor
Yeah...you have a pretty nice record...it's just the perception of a conference champion playing a 4th or 5th place finisher in a peer conference...ya know??? What would you think if you won the CUSA CCG and had to play a 4th or 5th place AAC or MWC team in a bowl? You would not be happy.
Good question for WKU fans as they are playing the 4th place team in the AAC
I believe this is mostly State and Louisiana fans colluding to egg-on La Tech folk. Tech wants to point to beating ULL two years running, and they were the third place team in the conference last season and even worse this season. This should be about two in-state schools competing but instead it's been a conference thing. Without discussing the conference since the arrival or Southern and App, and how that has coincided with the downfall of ULL, to take a shot at the belt by taking a shot at ULL actually undermines the argument.
Also, the AAC is not really in the class of the greater G5 competition wise. Their record against P5 conferences this season shows that much.
Too bad you weren't around for all the ULL smack talk we heard all summer from the Cajun fans prior to meeting in 2014 at Cajun field when they had a lot coming back and we didn't ... Guess they probably forgot to bring that up when discussing us
But again, you talk about ULL as if we are somehow comparable. We played one of our worst games of the year against them, and still had a 27 point lead. Everybody blew them out this year.
Pardon us for not acting overly impressed with a team whose most important victory was apparently a 20 point win over a 4-8 team at home.
(This post was last modified: 12-09-2015 12:27 AM by chiefsfan.)
(12-07-2015 03:07 PM)kb325 Wrote: Yeah...you have a pretty nice record...it's just the perception of a conference champion playing a 4th or 5th place finisher in a peer conference...ya know??? What would you think if you won the CUSA CCG and had to play a 4th or 5th place AAC or MWC team in a bowl? You would not be happy.
Good question for WKU fans as they are playing the 4th place team in the AAC
I believe this is mostly State and Louisiana fans colluding to egg-on La Tech folk. Tech wants to point to beating ULL two years running, and they were the third place team in the conference last season and even worse this season. This should be about two in-state schools competing but instead it's been a conference thing. Without discussing the conference since the arrival or Southern and App, and how that has coincided with the downfall of ULL, to take a shot at the belt by taking a shot at ULL actually undermines the argument.
Also, the AAC is not really in the class of the greater G5 competition wise. Their record against P5 conferences this season shows that much.
Too bad you weren't around for all the ULL smack talk we heard all summer from the Cajun fans prior to meeting in 2014 at Cajun field when they had a lot coming back and we didn't ... Guess they probably forgot to bring that up when discussing us
But again, you talk about ULL as if we are somehow comparable. We played one of our worst games of the year against them, and still had a 27 point lead. Everybody blew them out this year.
Pardon us for not acting overly impressed with a team whose most important victory was apparently a 20 point win over a 4-8 team at home.
My reply was meant for the App St guy. Our most impressive victory this season was the blow out W over MTSU I guess or maybe Rice? It wasn't ULL.
I guess we will just have to settle the Tech ASU deal on the field
Arkstfan, I always appreciate your perspective. Fascinating stuff.
The AAC was indulged in an SEC-lite circle-jerk by ESPN this year. ESPN couldn't polish the turd last year, but they were definitely able to for 2015. Knock off a few P5s, and the Only G5 Conference with a legitimate ESPN contract starts getting a little ESPN hype.
They had some respectable wins over Louisville, Penn State, and Ole Miss, and Miami. That's called getting over the hump. Something C-USA couldn't do this year. WKU beating Indiana and La Tech taking out Kansas State would have gone a long way to helping... but there's always next year.
(12-08-2015 03:47 PM)usm99 Wrote: Good question for WKU fans as they are playing the 4th place team in the AAC
I believe this is mostly State and Louisiana fans colluding to egg-on La Tech folk. Tech wants to point to beating ULL two years running, and they were the third place team in the conference last season and even worse this season. This should be about two in-state schools competing but instead it's been a conference thing. Without discussing the conference since the arrival or Southern and App, and how that has coincided with the downfall of ULL, to take a shot at the belt by taking a shot at ULL actually undermines the argument.
Also, the AAC is not really in the class of the greater G5 competition wise. Their record against P5 conferences this season shows that much.
Too bad you weren't around for all the ULL smack talk we heard all summer from the Cajun fans prior to meeting in 2014 at Cajun field when they had a lot coming back and we didn't ... Guess they probably forgot to bring that up when discussing us
But again, you talk about ULL as if we are somehow comparable. We played one of our worst games of the year against them, and still had a 27 point lead. Everybody blew them out this year.
Pardon us for not acting overly impressed with a team whose most important victory was apparently a 20 point win over a 4-8 team at home.
My reply was meant for the App St guy. Our most impressive victory this season was the blow out W over MTSU I guess or maybe Rice? It wasn't ULL.
I guess we will just have to settle the Tech ASU deal on the field
That's what I figured it was. We had one really impressive win @ App State, and then not much else. I guess Georgia State counts now since they got to 6-6.
The good news is that our worst loss was Missouri, and that was game 2, without our QB, and when Missouri still had their QB. So no bad losses, but only one good win.
(12-08-2015 12:59 AM)techdawg88 Wrote: Don't forget that SMU, Rice and UTEP were members of the WAC when Tech joined
And Tulsa....
LA Tech & Boise State joined the WAC together, on the same day.
Didn't Tech win the WAC that first year before Boise got really good?
I can still remember listing to our first conference game in Shreveport against SMU and Dave saying we were taking a big step up in competition but beat them by around 4 TD's and went on to win the conference with a 7-1 record and our only loss was to nationally ranked Fresno St. team with David Carr at QB in conference.
Very true. And those WAC fans -especially Fresno State fans-- were PISSED that LA Tech came in and won the WAC football title in its' very first year as a member.
One was 2nd team All SBC at Defensive End. The other's biggest accomplishment in his collegiate career was making a nice catch in the Spring Game.
Losing Stone hurts a little, but we're extremely deep on the Defensive Line, and because of our unique defensive system, they don't get a ton of snaps.
The "key" to victory for USM (besides the captain obvious answer of scoring more points than UW) is scoring at least 32 points. USM went 9-0 in games in which we scored 30+ points with the minimun points scored in a win being 32. In our 4 losses we scored 10, 16, 28 and 28
One was 2nd team All SBC at Defensive End. The other's biggest accomplishment in his collegiate career was making a nice catch in the Spring Game.
Losing Stone hurts a little, but we're extremely deep on the Defensive Line, and because of our unique defensive system, they don't get a ton of snaps.
I underestimated the Arkansas State defense about a month ago (without them App may have scored too many points in the first half for State to turn it on like they did in the second half). I have a feeling many people are focusing on the wrong team for this game, and not only the wrong team but the wrong side of the ball.
State goes as their defense goes as it usually takes about 2 quarters for Knighten to really get going. If Driskel isn't careful, I see strip sacks and a couple interceptions in his future.
One was 2nd team All SBC at Defensive End. The other's biggest accomplishment in his collegiate career was making a nice catch in the Spring Game.
Losing Stone hurts a little, but we're extremely deep on the Defensive Line, and because of our unique defensive system, they don't get a ton of snaps.
I underestimated the Arkansas State defense about a month ago (without them App may have scored too many points in the first half for State to turn it on like they did in the second half). I have a feeling many people are focusing on the wrong team for this game, and not only the wrong team but the wrong side of the ball.
State goes as their defense goes as it usually takes about 2 quarters for Knighten to really get going. If Driskel isn't careful, I see strip sacks and a couple interceptions in his future.
We tried to tell you. Defense may give up 30 per game, but they win us our games. I don't care how good your QB is, if your offense continually gets the ball in plus territory because of 26 interceptions and 8 defensive touchdowns, you're going to score a lot of points.
That's what wins us games. Knighten's good, and will put up points on his own. But the reality is, he's going to do whatever he can to play a clean game, believing the defense will put him in positions to make plays.
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One was 2nd team All SBC at Defensive End. The other's biggest accomplishment in his collegiate career was making a nice catch in the Spring Game.
Losing Stone hurts a little, but we're extremely deep on the Defensive Line, and because of our unique defensive system, they don't get a ton of snaps.
I underestimated the Arkansas State defense about a month ago (without them App may have scored too many points in the first half for State to turn it on like they did in the second half). I have a feeling many people are focusing on the wrong team for this game, and not only the wrong team but the wrong side of the ball.
State goes as their defense goes as it usually takes about 2 quarters for Knighten to really get going. If Driskel isn't careful, I see strip sacks and a couple interceptions in his future.
We tried to tell you. Defense may give up 30 per game, but they win us our games. I don't care how good your QB is, if your offense continually gets the ball in plus territory because of 26 interceptions and 8 defensive touchdowns, you're going to score a lot of points.
That's what wins us games. Knighten's good, and will put up points on his own. But the reality is, he's going to do whatever he can to play a clean game, believing the defense will put him in positions to make plays.
so.....I will admit that I haven't watched an arky st game this year.....
this post is intriguing....I have tech -1 and it's now tech -2.....there is chance I try to middle by taking arky st +3.5 (will buy up if necessary)....
One was 2nd team All SBC at Defensive End. The other's biggest accomplishment in his collegiate career was making a nice catch in the Spring Game.
Losing Stone hurts a little, but we're extremely deep on the Defensive Line, and because of our unique defensive system, they don't get a ton of snaps.
I underestimated the Arkansas State defense about a month ago (without them App may have scored too many points in the first half for State to turn it on like they did in the second half). I have a feeling many people are focusing on the wrong team for this game, and not only the wrong team but the wrong side of the ball.
State goes as their defense goes as it usually takes about 2 quarters for Knighten to really get going. If Driskel isn't careful, I see strip sacks and a couple interceptions in his future.
We tried to tell you. Defense may give up 30 per game, but they win us our games. I don't care how good your QB is, if your offense continually gets the ball in plus territory because of 26 interceptions and 8 defensive touchdowns, you're going to score a lot of points.
That's what wins us games. Knighten's good, and will put up points on his own. But the reality is, he's going to do whatever he can to play a clean game, believing the defense will put him in positions to make plays.
so.....I will admit that I haven't watched an arky st game this year.....
this post is intriguing....I have tech -1 and it's now tech -2.....there is chance I try to middle by taking arky st +3.5 (will buy up if necessary)....
these threads are money......
Basically, our games come down very often to whether or not our defense can force turnovers. We've forced a lot of turnovers from every team on our schedule, including USC and Missouri.
Our defense will give up 30 points...it always does. We just believe we can score more than 30.
We're winning games by a lot, and losing games by a lot. There has not been an inbetween.
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