Looks like Bailiff took over Clemson.ejection for targeting, 3 false starts.. wow

(12-05-2015 09:41 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Clemsons punter, on 4th and 15 from their own half decides to not punt and run the ball. He gets stuffed.

Swinney looks like he is about to kill him.

UNC takes the lead 16-14

He heard to always go for it on 4th down :)

Btw I'm counting on that CUSA bowl tie-in

Stanford's coach, David Shaw, is horribly conservative. He did not have his team ready to play - again.

(12-05-2015 10:12 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Stanford's coach, David Shaw, is horribly conservative. He did not have his team ready to play - again.

He always gets conservative in big games.

Stanford was destroying USC. Now they are behind. Need to open up the passing.

(12-05-2015 10:12 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Stanford's coach, David Shaw, is horribly conservative. He did not have his team ready to play - again.

He's 52-14 overall, 36-9 in conference play, currently playing for his 3rd Pac-12 title in 4 years to go with one other division title. Doesn't sound too horrible to me. We'd take it here, for sure.

Shaw gets extremely conservative with his play calling, but the quality of his players (and their practice, both of which he certainly gets credit for) makes up for predictability.

(12-05-2015 10:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 10:12 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Stanford's coach, David Shaw, is horribly conservative. He did not have his team ready to play - again.

He's 52-14 overall, 36-9 in conference play, currently playing for his 3rd Pac-12 title in 4 years to go with one other division title. Doesn't sound too horrible to me. We'd take it here, for sure.

+1000

I really love Stancord's approach. Of course having Christian McCaffrey helps.

As aside, it is quite interesting to see the success of our peer institutions:
Air Force -playing for MW Championship
Stanford - playing for PAC -12 Championship
Navy - playing well in AAC
Duke - playing well ACC
Northwestern - playing well and beat Stanford this year

(12-05-2015 10:56 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  Shaw gets extremely conservative with his play calling, but the quality of his players (and their practice, both of which he certainly gets credit for) makes up for predictability.

Nothing wrong with predictability as long as you can execute.
For that matter, nothing right with unpredictability if you cannot execute.
There really is nothing inherently wrong with conservative play calling.

(12-05-2015 10:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 10:12 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Stanford's coach, David Shaw, is horribly conservative. He did not have his team ready to play - again.

He's 52-14 overall, 36-9 in conference play, currently playing for his 3rd Pac-12 title in 4 years to go with one other division title. Doesn't sound too horrible to me. We'd take it here, for sure.

I didn't say he was horrible. Please read what I wrote before you take things out of context. His conservative play calling cost him the Northwestern game early in the season. His record has been excellent, but he has had superb talent.

(12-05-2015 11:33 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 10:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 10:12 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Stanford's coach, David Shaw, is horribly conservative. He did not have his team ready to play - again.

He's 52-14 overall, 36-9 in conference play, currently playing for his 3rd Pac-12 title in 4 years to go with one other division title. Doesn't sound too horrible to me. We'd take it here, for sure.

I didn't say he was horrible. Please read what I wrote before you take things out of context. His conservative play calling cost him the Northwestern game early in the season. His record has been excellent, but he has had superb talent.

You said "horribly conservative." I'm quoting the post, in case you forgot. Sounds to me like he's conservative, but not horribly so.

(12-05-2015 05:08 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:21 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Georgia State leading Georgia Southern 13-7 in the 3rd quarter...

Now 20-7. Our bowl hopes are going up in smoke.
All we had to do was take care of business in either or both of San Antonio and El Paso. Everything to play for and we stunk up the joint. Twice. Two epic failures, of the scale of the aTm basketball game at the end of Willis's first season as coach.

Now 27-7. We're toast as a bowl team. Unless they have to honor the CUSA contract.

Bottom Line: If we can't go undefeated against teams outside the top 100, we have absolutely no business in a bowl.

You mean our peer group?

GaSt was a 21 point underdog. Great job by Miles.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that they were one of the most improved teams in FBS. Also, one of regular posters just loves to rave about the triple option, such as the ones used by Georgia Southern and Navy. The main reason why it is idiotic to use that offense? If you fall behind by two scores or more later in the game, you will lose. Period.

(12-05-2015 11:36 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 11:33 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 10:16 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 10:12 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Stanford's coach, David Shaw, is horribly conservative. He did not have his team ready to play - again.

He's 52-14 overall, 36-9 in conference play, currently playing for his 3rd Pac-12 title in 4 years to go with one other division title. Doesn't sound too horrible to me. We'd take it here, for sure.

I didn't say he was horrible. Please read what I wrote before you take things out of context. His conservative play calling cost him the Northwestern game early in the season. His record has been excellent, but he has had superb talent.

You said "horribly conservative." I'm quoting the post, in case you forgot. Sounds to me like he's conservative, but not horribly so.

"Horribly conservative" describes the degree of conservatism, as opposed to saying he is "horrible" as a coach. Perhaps I should have used a term from one of your heroes, and said he was "severely conservative".

(12-05-2015 11:38 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 05:08 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:21 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Georgia State leading Georgia Southern 13-7 in the 3rd quarter...

Now 20-7. Our bowl hopes are going up in smoke.
All we had to do was take care of business in either or both of San Antonio and El Paso. Everything to play for and we stunk up the joint. Twice. Two epic failures, of the scale of the aTm basketball game at the end of Willis's first season as coach.

Now 27-7. We're toast as a bowl team. Unless they have to honor the CUSA contract.

Bottom Line: If we can't go undefeated against teams outside the top 100, we have absolutely no business in a bowl.

You mean our peer group?

GaSt was a 21 point underdog. Great job by Miles.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that they were one of the most improved teams in FBS. Also, one of regular posters just loves to rave about the triple option, such as the ones used by Georgia Southern and Navy. The main reason why it is idiotic to use that offense? If you fall behind by two scores or more later in the game, you will lose. Period.

I wouldn't say it is an "idiotic offense"... It has allowed Navy to be one of the most consistent G5 programs in the nation over the past 13 seasons. Georgia Tech has also made two Orange Bowl appearances in eight years running it. Georgia Southern doesn't even run the triple option anymore, but they did when they won all those games and FCS national championships in the 80's and 90's!

(12-05-2015 11:43 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  "Horribly conservative" describes the degree of conservatism, as opposed to saying he is "horrible" as a coach.

Where did I suggest that you said he was horrible as a coach? Oh, yeah, that's right, I didn't. When you're 52-14, now 53-14, with 3 conference titles in 4 years, that's not "horribly" conservative, that's "wonderfully" conservative. "Horribly" conservative is 3-9 or worse.

Quote:Perhaps I should have used a term from one of your heroes, and said he was "severely conservative".

I didn't realize he was a "hero" of mine.

(12-05-2015 11:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 11:38 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  I mentioned earlier in the thread that they were one of the most improved teams in FBS. Also, one of regular posters just loves to rave about the triple option, such as the ones used by Georgia Southern and Navy. The main reason why it is idiotic to use that offense? If you fall behind by two scores or more later in the game, you will lose. Period.

I wouldn't say it is an "idiotic offense"... It has allowed Navy to be one of the most consistent G5 programs in the nation over the past 13 seasons. Georgia Tech has also made two Orange Bowl appearances in eight years running it. Georgia Southern doesn't even run the triple option anymore, but they did when they won all those games and FCS national championships in the 80's and 90's!

WRC would probably rather throw the ball 50 times a game than win the game.

When you are going to choose an offense based on how well suited it is to being down two scores or more late in a game, you probably aren't going to win too many games.

Common NFL maxim, "You pass to score and you run to win."

I don't know how the rest of you feel, but I think UNC got jobbed by the offside call on the first onside kick late (the one they recovered). Doesn't look that close in any way, though I recognize the camera angle they use does change the perspective slightly to favor the kicking team. And it was from an official on the UNC sideline. No favoritism there.

(12-05-2015 11:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 11:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 11:38 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  I mentioned earlier in the thread that they were one of the most improved teams in FBS. Also, one of regular posters just loves to rave about the triple option, such as the ones used by Georgia Southern and Navy. The main reason why it is idiotic to use that offense? If you fall behind by two scores or more later in the game, you will lose. Period.

I wouldn't say it is an "idiotic offense"... It has allowed Navy to be one of the most consistent G5 programs in the nation over the past 13 seasons. Georgia Tech has also made two Orange Bowl appearances in eight years running it. Georgia Southern doesn't even run the triple option anymore, but they did when they won all those games and FCS national championships in the 80's and 90's!

WRC would probably rather throw the ball 50 times a game than win the game.

When you are going to choose an offense based on how well suited it is to being down two scores or more late in a game, you probably aren't going to win too many games.

Common NFL maxim, "You pass to score and you run to win."

The offense you need is the one that scores 1 more than it's defense/kicking game allows.

Honestly, the offense needs to control the game by being efficient. You don't need gaudy numbers. Either the passing game or running game needs to be efferent enough to control any game at any point throughout the season. Obviously, there are times when utilizing one or the other can be irresponsible.

(12-05-2015 11:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 11:38 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 05:08 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Now 20-7. Our bowl hopes are going up in smoke.
All we had to do was take care of business in either or both of San Antonio and El Paso. Everything to play for and we stunk up the joint. Twice. Two epic failures, of the scale of the aTm basketball game at the end of Willis's first season as coach.

Now 27-7. We're toast as a bowl team. Unless they have to honor the CUSA contract.

Bottom Line: If we can't go undefeated against teams outside the top 100, we have absolutely no business in a bowl.

You mean our peer group?

GaSt was a 21 point underdog. Great job by Miles.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that they were one of the most improved teams in FBS. Also, one of regular posters just loves to rave about the triple option, such as the ones used by Georgia Southern and Navy. The main reason why it is idiotic to use that offense? If you fall behind by two scores or more later in the game, you will lose. Period.

I wouldn't say it is an "idiotic offense"... It has allowed Navy to be one of the most consistent G5 programs in the nation over the past 13 seasons. Georgia Tech has also made two Orange Bowl appearances in eight years running it. Georgia Southern doesn't even run the triple option anymore, but they did when they won all those games and FCS national championships in the 80's and 90's!

Navy has scheduled quite well. In the 12 seasons prior to this, their record was 100-54. Very nice. But, in games against teams that ended the season with winning records, they were 21-40. Against P5 teams (and Notre Dame) with winning records, they were 4-19.

(12-05-2015 04:41 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(12-05-2015 04:39 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  Still love the thought of Greenspan ridiculing UH.

We may never dig out from the calamity of his regime.

Don't forget Leebron, how he misjudged the AAC move is beyond me.

He listened to his "expert" Greenspan.