(12-07-2015 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The writing is already on the wall, IMO... look at the Disney Corp package on SlingTV:

Basic Tier ($20/month) includes ESPN, ESPN2; SEC Network was lumped with ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Goal Line, and others on the Sports Extra tier ($5/month). That's a lot of ways to split $5.00!

SECN revenue will drop (not increase) over the next few years, as more and more customers switch to low cost bundles like this.

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-3.html

Except it doesn't happen that way in reality. If you are right then the SECN will decline over a period of years. 7 million households is significant, but it still a small percentage of the total number of subscribers. Those looking at this number realize that a high percentage of that 7 million are millennials who are less sports viewership inclined anyway and were cutting cable in general along with bundling. I have no reason to believe that trend will change.

Bundling is a convenience that Boomers, Busters and X'ers enjoy and being less Tech savvy than the following generations they tend to remain with what is familiar rather than venturing out and when they do venture it is because of declining household disposable income.

So while I think the trend is valid, particularly long term, the transition will also be slow. So the revenue for the SECN will likely go up for a few more years before it starts trending down. This will occur because as people purchase the Sling option at first the results of that will be (even though that $5 is divided many ways) in effect a tip over and above the SECN subscriptions.

Also missed in this prediction of the demise of SEC revenue is a lack of knowledge of the Southeast states and their isolation from many technological options experienced elsewhere. We just got UVerse last year. Everyone here is switching from satellite providers to UVerse. And in the Deep South football is a social event only eclipsed by church and church is losing ground. Every hamlet, trailer park, dorm, bar, and family household will likely still want to receive the SECN. It is way cheaper than buying the tickets, provides a better viewing than the $1200 a year cheap seats in the end zones and upper deck, and they really don't watch anything else outside of the NFL and MLB except for Jeopardy and the Wheel of Fortune. And since every SEC school's crappy games air on the SECN the cost of that network for just 1 game is still cheaper than travel, lodging, food, and tickets to just one crappy home game.

So I think what you say will eventually transpire, but when it does it will be still more than a few years off, will happen incrementally, and when it does fully impact what we have now content becomes king and really little changes other than the fact that we will all make less.

The thing is if even if the Big 10 network and SECN don't make the astronomical amounts of money first predicted, they will still make money.

Maybe it doesn't make $15 Million in 10 years but I bet it still makes money for the SEC member schools, and it isn't going to lose $$ unless a catastrophe happens and that will affect all conferences.

The Pac 12 Network for all it's issues still makes about $1 Million per school.

(12-07-2015 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The writing is already on the wall, IMO... look at the Disney Corp package on SlingTV:

Basic Tier ($20/month) includes ESPN, ESPN2; SEC Network was lumped with ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Goal Line, and others on the Sports Extra tier ($5/month). That's a lot of ways to split $5.00!

SECN revenue will drop (not increase) over the next few years, as more and more customers switch to low cost bundles like this.

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-3.html

Guys, guys, guys... I'm not saying the SEC Network is going to LOSE money, just that it likely will never make the projected millions we've read about on the internet. And it will probably drop as cord cutters let their providers know in no uncertain terms that they are willing to pay for ESPN and ESPN2 but NOT for the SECN or BTN (unless they are fans of those conferences, in which case they'll shell out an extra $5 for the sports extra package).

Will the SEC continue to make some profits from the SECN? Of course! Will they make $20 million per year per team more than the ACC? Not likely! $10 million... still not likely... $5 million... yeah, sounds about right.

JMO though.

(12-08-2015 02:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Guys, guys, guys... I'm not saying the SEC Network is going to LOSE money, just that it likely will never make the projected millions we've read about on the internet. And it will probably drop as cord cutters let their providers know in no uncertain terms that they are willing to pay for ESPN and ESPN2 but NOT for the SECN or BTN (unless they are fans of those conferences, in which case they'll shell out an extra $5 for the sports extra package).

Will the SEC continue to make some profits from the SECN? Of course! Will they make $20 million per year per team more than the ACC? Not likely! $10 million... still not likely... $5 million... yeah, sounds about right.

JMO though.

Again Mark it's not just about TV money. The SEC mean already makes 27.2 million more than the mean of the ACC makes. The SECN will get full price next year. That will be another 9 million jump. I agree that in a few years that it will start to decline but the descent will be gradual. Mostly because SEC fans will buy it no matter what, and because the demographic changes due to mortality are rather measured. So the gap will grow for a few more years before it starts to ebb.

(12-08-2015 11:22 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 10:39 AM)CardinalZen Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 09:47 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I have a hard time believing the SECN revenue will drop any time soon. Just my opinion, could be wrong.

All I know is the the SECN counted on Kentucky Football to carry them in Prime Time all season. I'm not sure who voluntarily pays to see that.

anyone who wants espn and espn2. secn is bundled with the two must have channels, hence the money printing factory.

SECN is not bundled with ESPN/ESPN2 for me in Cincinnati with Cincinnati Bell. SECN is part of an Elite package where you pay more, and I believe it is bundled with NFL & MLB networks, NBC Sports, CBS Sports, etc.

I happened to be back in Louisville Thanksgiving weekend when the UofL-UK football game was on SECN and I was a family member's house. They had SECN as part of a more base package. In fact they didn't even realize they could view SECN until the day of the football game, but obviously Kentucky is an SEC market while Cincinnati is not.

(12-08-2015 12:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The writing is already on the wall, IMO... look at the Disney Corp package on SlingTV:

Basic Tier ($20/month) includes ESPN, ESPN2; SEC Network was lumped with ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Goal Line, and others on the Sports Extra tier ($5/month). That's a lot of ways to split $5.00!

SECN revenue will drop (not increase) over the next few years, as more and more customers switch to low cost bundles like this.

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-3.html

Except it doesn't happen that way in reality. If you are right then the SECN will decline over a period of years. 7 million households is significant, but it still a small percentage of the total number of subscribers. Those looking at this number realize that a high percentage of that 7 million are millennials who are less sports viewership inclined anyway and were cutting cable in general along with bundling. I have no reason to believe that trend will change.

Bundling is a convenience that Boomers, Busters and X'ers enjoy and being less Tech savvy than the following generations they tend to remain with what is familiar rather than venturing out and when they do venture it is because of declining household disposable income.

So while I think the trend is valid, particularly long term, the transition will also be slow. So the revenue for the SECN will likely go up for a few more years before it starts trending down. This will occur because as people purchase the Sling option at first the results of that will be (even though that $5 is divided many ways) in effect a tip over and above the SECN subscriptions.

Also missed in this prediction of the demise of SEC revenue is a lack of knowledge of the Southeast states and their isolation from many technological options experienced elsewhere. We just got UVerse last year. Everyone here is switching from satellite providers to UVerse. And in the Deep South football is a social event only eclipsed by church and church is losing ground. Every hamlet, trailer park, dorm, bar, and family household will likely still want to receive the SECN. It is way cheaper than buying the tickets, provides a better viewing than the $1200 a year cheap seats in the end zones and upper deck, and they really don't watch anything else outside of the NFL and MLB except for Jeopardy and the Wheel of Fortune. And since every SEC school's crappy games air on the SECN the cost of that network for just 1 game is still cheaper than travel, lodging, food, and tickets to just one crappy home game.

So I think what you say will eventually transpire, but when it does it will be still more than a few years off, will happen incrementally, and when it does fully impact what we have now content becomes king and really little changes other than the fact that we will all make less.

I'm sure that Blockbuster felt the same way.

(12-08-2015 04:18 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 12:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The writing is already on the wall, IMO... look at the Disney Corp package on SlingTV:

Basic Tier ($20/month) includes ESPN, ESPN2; SEC Network was lumped with ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Goal Line, and others on the Sports Extra tier ($5/month). That's a lot of ways to split $5.00!

SECN revenue will drop (not increase) over the next few years, as more and more customers switch to low cost bundles like this.

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-3.html

Except it doesn't happen that way in reality. If you are right then the SECN will decline over a period of years. 7 million households is significant, but it still a small percentage of the total number of subscribers. Those looking at this number realize that a high percentage of that 7 million are millennials who are less sports viewership inclined anyway and were cutting cable in general along with bundling. I have no reason to believe that trend will change.

Bundling is a convenience that Boomers, Busters and X'ers enjoy and being less Tech savvy than the following generations they tend to remain with what is familiar rather than venturing out and when they do venture it is because of declining household disposable income.

So while I think the trend is valid, particularly long term, the transition will also be slow. So the revenue for the SECN will likely go up for a few more years before it starts trending down. This will occur because as people purchase the Sling option at first the results of that will be (even though that $5 is divided many ways) in effect a tip over and above the SECN subscriptions.

Also missed in this prediction of the demise of SEC revenue is a lack of knowledge of the Southeast states and their isolation from many technological options experienced elsewhere. We just got UVerse last year. Everyone here is switching from satellite providers to UVerse. And in the Deep South football is a social event only eclipsed by church and church is losing ground. Every hamlet, trailer park, dorm, bar, and family household will likely still want to receive the SECN. It is way cheaper than buying the tickets, provides a better viewing than the $1200 a year cheap seats in the end zones and upper deck, and they really don't watch anything else outside of the NFL and MLB except for Jeopardy and the Wheel of Fortune. And since every SEC school's crappy games air on the SECN the cost of that network for just 1 game is still cheaper than travel, lodging, food, and tickets to just one crappy home game.

So I think what you say will eventually transpire, but when it does it will be still more than a few years off, will happen incrementally, and when it does fully impact what we have now content becomes king and really little changes other than the fact that we will all make less.

I'm sure that Blockbuster felt the same way.

Apples and oranges. The whole hard copy video industry became obsolete, and first among them the outlets that required driving to make a return. Movies kept selling or being rented. The conference network may go away, but football will be with us for at least another half century. And as long as people want to watch it they will want to watch the best games. Conferences with more than two brands might survive. Conferences with a half dozen or so brands will succeed. It's the conference networks that give the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns their air time. When those networks are gone adios air time for schools of that ilk, like Duke football.

(12-08-2015 04:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:18 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 12:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The writing is already on the wall, IMO... look at the Disney Corp package on SlingTV:

Basic Tier ($20/month) includes ESPN, ESPN2; SEC Network was lumped with ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Goal Line, and others on the Sports Extra tier ($5/month). That's a lot of ways to split $5.00!

SECN revenue will drop (not increase) over the next few years, as more and more customers switch to low cost bundles like this.

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-3.html

Except it doesn't happen that way in reality. If you are right then the SECN will decline over a period of years. 7 million households is significant, but it still a small percentage of the total number of subscribers. Those looking at this number realize that a high percentage of that 7 million are millennials who are less sports viewership inclined anyway and were cutting cable in general along with bundling. I have no reason to believe that trend will change.

Bundling is a convenience that Boomers, Busters and X'ers enjoy and being less Tech savvy than the following generations they tend to remain with what is familiar rather than venturing out and when they do venture it is because of declining household disposable income.

So while I think the trend is valid, particularly long term, the transition will also be slow. So the revenue for the SECN will likely go up for a few more years before it starts trending down. This will occur because as people purchase the Sling option at first the results of that will be (even though that $5 is divided many ways) in effect a tip over and above the SECN subscriptions.

Also missed in this prediction of the demise of SEC revenue is a lack of knowledge of the Southeast states and their isolation from many technological options experienced elsewhere. We just got UVerse last year. Everyone here is switching from satellite providers to UVerse. And in the Deep South football is a social event only eclipsed by church and church is losing ground. Every hamlet, trailer park, dorm, bar, and family household will likely still want to receive the SECN. It is way cheaper than buying the tickets, provides a better viewing than the $1200 a year cheap seats in the end zones and upper deck, and they really don't watch anything else outside of the NFL and MLB except for Jeopardy and the Wheel of Fortune. And since every SEC school's crappy games air on the SECN the cost of that network for just 1 game is still cheaper than travel, lodging, food, and tickets to just one crappy home game.

So I think what you say will eventually transpire, but when it does it will be still more than a few years off, will happen incrementally, and when it does fully impact what we have now content becomes king and really little changes other than the fact that we will all make less.

I'm sure that Blockbuster felt the same way.

Apples and oranges. The whole hard copy video industry became obsolete, and first among them the outlets that required driving to make a return. Movies kept selling or being rented. The conference network may go away, but football will be with us for at least another half century. And as long as people want to watch it they will want to watch the best games. Conferences with more than two brands might survive. Conferences with a half dozen or so brands will succeed. It's the conference networks that give the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns their air time. When those networks are gone adios air time for schools of that ilk, like Duke football.

The SEC might be in trouble then. This year has proven that at this point, the SEC is a one team league.

(12-08-2015 04:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:18 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 12:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The writing is already on the wall, IMO... look at the Disney Corp package on SlingTV:

Basic Tier ($20/month) includes ESPN, ESPN2; SEC Network was lumped with ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Goal Line, and others on the Sports Extra tier ($5/month). That's a lot of ways to split $5.00!

SECN revenue will drop (not increase) over the next few years, as more and more customers switch to low cost bundles like this.

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-3.html

Except it doesn't happen that way in reality. If you are right then the SECN will decline over a period of years. 7 million households is significant, but it still a small percentage of the total number of subscribers. Those looking at this number realize that a high percentage of that 7 million are millennials who are less sports viewership inclined anyway and were cutting cable in general along with bundling. I have no reason to believe that trend will change.

Bundling is a convenience that Boomers, Busters and X'ers enjoy and being less Tech savvy than the following generations they tend to remain with what is familiar rather than venturing out and when they do venture it is because of declining household disposable income.

So while I think the trend is valid, particularly long term, the transition will also be slow. So the revenue for the SECN will likely go up for a few more years before it starts trending down. This will occur because as people purchase the Sling option at first the results of that will be (even though that $5 is divided many ways) in effect a tip over and above the SECN subscriptions.

Also missed in this prediction of the demise of SEC revenue is a lack of knowledge of the Southeast states and their isolation from many technological options experienced elsewhere. We just got UVerse last year. Everyone here is switching from satellite providers to UVerse. And in the Deep South football is a social event only eclipsed by church and church is losing ground. Every hamlet, trailer park, dorm, bar, and family household will likely still want to receive the SECN. It is way cheaper than buying the tickets, provides a better viewing than the $1200 a year cheap seats in the end zones and upper deck, and they really don't watch anything else outside of the NFL and MLB except for Jeopardy and the Wheel of Fortune. And since every SEC school's crappy games air on the SECN the cost of that network for just 1 game is still cheaper than travel, lodging, food, and tickets to just one crappy home game.

So I think what you say will eventually transpire, but when it does it will be still more than a few years off, will happen incrementally, and when it does fully impact what we have now content becomes king and really little changes other than the fact that we will all make less.

I'm sure that Blockbuster felt the same way.

Apples and oranges. The whole hard copy video industry became obsolete, and first among them the outlets that required driving to make a return. Movies kept selling or being rented. The conference network may go away, but football will be with us for at least another half century. And as long as people want to watch it they will want to watch the best games. Conferences with more than two brands might survive. Conferences with a half dozen or so brands will succeed. It's the conference networks that give the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns their air time. When those networks are gone adios air time for schools of that ilk, like Duke football.

The SEC might be in trouble then. This year has proven that at this point, the SEC is a one team league.

No, it's really not. The West was too balanced. The East was too weak. Let's see the SEC West had wins over Louisville and Syracuse. The East had wins over North Carolina and Georgia Tech. You had victories over Florida and South Carolina and Kentucky. You guys had 1 win against a ranked SEC opponent. We had 1 win against a ranked ACC opponent. We still took you 4 -3 not that it matters much.

A&M, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and L.S.U. still get the ratings every year including this one. Mississippi, Arkansas, South Carolina and Missouri hold their own. Vanderbilt, Mississippi State and Kentucky not so much.

When it comes to ratings this year you had three that would have been among the SEC leaders. Two of those outright fit among our numbers: Clemson and Florida State. North Carolina had a good year.

Now, now JR......you should know better around here.


The SEC is DOOMED!! DOOMED THEY SAY!!

Why? Because y'all don't have this:

(12-08-2015 05:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Now, now JR......you should know better around here.


The SEC is DOOMED!! DOOMED THEY SAY!!

Why? Because y'all don't have this:

I still laugh every time you post that!

(12-08-2015 04:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:18 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 12:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The writing is already on the wall, IMO... look at the Disney Corp package on SlingTV:

Basic Tier ($20/month) includes ESPN, ESPN2; SEC Network was lumped with ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Goal Line, and others on the Sports Extra tier ($5/month). That's a lot of ways to split $5.00!

SECN revenue will drop (not increase) over the next few years, as more and more customers switch to low cost bundles like this.

http://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/1...art-3.html

Except it doesn't happen that way in reality. If you are right then the SECN will decline over a period of years. 7 million households is significant, but it still a small percentage of the total number of subscribers. Those looking at this number realize that a high percentage of that 7 million are millennials who are less sports viewership inclined anyway and were cutting cable in general along with bundling. I have no reason to believe that trend will change.

Bundling is a convenience that Boomers, Busters and X'ers enjoy and being less Tech savvy than the following generations they tend to remain with what is familiar rather than venturing out and when they do venture it is because of declining household disposable income.

So while I think the trend is valid, particularly long term, the transition will also be slow. So the revenue for the SECN will likely go up for a few more years before it starts trending down. This will occur because as people purchase the Sling option at first the results of that will be (even though that $5 is divided many ways) in effect a tip over and above the SECN subscriptions.

Also missed in this prediction of the demise of SEC revenue is a lack of knowledge of the Southeast states and their isolation from many technological options experienced elsewhere. We just got UVerse last year. Everyone here is switching from satellite providers to UVerse. And in the Deep South football is a social event only eclipsed by church and church is losing ground. Every hamlet, trailer park, dorm, bar, and family household will likely still want to receive the SECN. It is way cheaper than buying the tickets, provides a better viewing than the $1200 a year cheap seats in the end zones and upper deck, and they really don't watch anything else outside of the NFL and MLB except for Jeopardy and the Wheel of Fortune. And since every SEC school's crappy games air on the SECN the cost of that network for just 1 game is still cheaper than travel, lodging, food, and tickets to just one crappy home game.

So I think what you say will eventually transpire, but when it does it will be still more than a few years off, will happen incrementally, and when it does fully impact what we have now content becomes king and really little changes other than the fact that we will all make less.

I'm sure that Blockbuster felt the same way.

Apples and oranges. The whole hard copy video industry became obsolete, and first among them the outlets that required driving to make a return. Movies kept selling or being rented. The conference network may go away, but football will be with us for at least another half century. And as long as people want to watch it they will want to watch the best games. Conferences with more than two brands might survive. Conferences with a half dozen or so brands will succeed. It's the conference networks that give the Vanderbilts and Northwesterns their air time. When those networks are gone adios air time for schools of that ilk, like Duke football.

Then I hope the conference networks don't go away, ever! Am I the only 53 yrs old college football nerd that can watch almost any game they broadcast? I get Time Warner Cables top sports package and I love the fact I get the SECN, BIG10N, PAC12N & was hoping for the ACCN (plus all those ESPN upper channels that show games like James Madison vs William & Mary). Heck I even watch a Maine vs Villanova game because it was snowing! Good grief Charlie Brown...