(12-04-2015 01:05 PM)Sportsfan1 Wrote:  Over time between now and the year Big12 Grant of Rights expires Notre Dame continues to struggle making the college football playoffs without that extra game that would come from a conference championship game. Notre Dame begins conversation with ACC about full membership. ACC starts talks with Texas and let's them know of Notre Dames intentions of joining FULLTIME. Texas decides it will join if it can bring some friends but not little Texas friends, they want the bigger more attractive friends Oklahoma and Kansas to join them to create an 18 team power ACC. However at the 10th hour of talks Kansas announces it has accepted an invite from the BIG. The ACC decides to swallow it's academic pride and invite West Virginia to join along with Notre Dame, Texas, and Oklahoma.

You had me right up to "invite West Virginia"

(12-04-2015 01:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 01:05 PM)Sportsfan1 Wrote:  Over time between now and the year Big12 Grant of Rights expires Notre Dame continues to struggle making the college football playoffs without that extra game that would come from a conference championship game. Notre Dame begins conversation with ACC about full membership. ACC starts talks with Texas and let's them know of Notre Dames intentions of joining FULLTIME. Texas decides it will join if it can bring some friends but not little Texas friends, they want the bigger more attractive friends Oklahoma and Kansas to join them to create an 18 team power ACC. However at the 10th hour of talks Kansas announces it has accepted an invite from the BIG. The ACC decides to swallow it's academic pride and invite West Virginia to join along with Notre Dame, Texas, and Oklahoma.

You had me right up to "invite West Virginia"

(12-04-2015 12:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  How about this?

Texas, Oklahoma, TCU & either Houston or Cincinnati. ND stays partial but with 6 games, perhaps 1 of them being permanent against Texas. Break into 3 6 team divisions. ND plays 2 from each division. Play 8 games, 5 division +1 permanent rival + 1 from each division. 2 highest ranked teams meet in CCG.

West
Texas, Oklahoma, TCU, Houston/Cincy, Louisville, Miami

Atlantic
FSU, Clemson, NC State, WF, BC, Syracuse

Coastal
GT, VT, NC, Duke, Virginia, Pitt

Rivals
FSU-Miami
Clemson-GT
NC-NC State
Duke-WF
Texas-VT
Virginia-Louisville
Oklahoma-Pittsburgh
BC-TCU
Syracuse-Houston/Cincy

Just an outside perspective here, but would TCU and Houston/Cincinnati be needed to get Texas and Oklahoma? Why not just Texas and Oklahoma?

(This leaves a spot for Notre Dame if they eventually decide to join as a full member.)

Then, go 4 scheduling divisions; 9-game schedule includes 3 divisional games, then rotate 6 games through the remaining 12 teams, with 10 of 16 having a "rival". Play everyone at least once every 2-3 years.

Top teams play in the CCG in Charlotte.

ATLANTIC: FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake
COASTAL: UNC, Duke, UVA, Georgia Tech
EAST: Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Miami
WEST: Texas, Oklahoma, Louisville, Virginia Tech

"Rivals"
FSU-Miami
UNC-NC State
Duke-Wake
UVA-Virginia Tech
Clemson-Georgia Tech

[WIthout a contrived "rival", Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisville might end up playing Syracuse, Boston College, and Pitt a little more frequently than other cross-division matchups, but not yearly or anything]

Notre Dame plays 6 ACC games - current rotation plus either Texas or Oklahoma each year.

During Rivalry Weekend:

In-Conference
UNC-NC State
Duke-Wake
UVA-Virginia Tech
Miami-Pitt
Syracuse-Boston College

OOC
FSU-Florida
Georgia Tech-Georgia
Clemson-South Carolina
Louisville-Kentucky
Texas-Texas A&M
Oklahoma-Oklahoma St.

(12-04-2015 03:52 PM)YNot Wrote:  (This leaves a spot for Notre Dame if they eventually decide to join as a full member.)

If ND does join, Kansas could be the 18th member (huge for ACC basketball).

Then, simply put ND in the EAST and Kansas in the West. 9-game schedule includes 3-4 divisional games (3 for ATLANTIC and COASTAL, 4 for EAST and WEST) and then rotate 4-5 games among the other 12, with rivals for about half the conference (neither ND nor Kansas adds a rival). [Each of the ATLANTIC and COASTAL teams have a cross-division rival, so only 5 other cross-division games for them].

ATLANTIC: FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake
COASTAL: UNC, Duke, UVA, Georgia Tech
EAST: Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Miami [Notre Dame]
WEST: Texas, Oklahoma, Louisville, Virginia Tech [Kansas]

Oh my, what have I walked into?

As long as Texas and OU are linked together, the Big XII will be fine. Can OU leave OSU? If so, I believe Kansas and Oklahoma would have more interest in the Big 10 than the SEC.

(12-04-2015 03:54 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 03:52 PM)YNot Wrote:  (This leaves a spot for Notre Dame if they eventually decide to join as a full member.)

If ND does join, Kansas could be the 18th member (huge for ACC basketball).

Then, simply put ND in the EAST and Kansas in the West. 9-game schedule includes 3-4 divisional games (3 for ATLANTIC and COASTAL, 4 for EAST and WEST) and then rotate 4-5 games among the other 12, with rivals for about half the conference (neither ND nor Kansas adds a rival). [Each of the ATLANTIC and COASTAL teams have a cross-division rival, so only 5 other cross-division games for them].

ATLANTIC: FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake
COASTAL: UNC, Duke, UVA, Georgia Tech
EAST: Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Miami [Notre Dame]
WEST: Texas, Oklahoma, Louisville, Virginia Tech [Kansas]

I was always open to the Idea it could happen, now I think it is incredibly unlikely to happen in my lifetime(I'm almost 40).

(12-03-2015 03:50 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Pac 12: It's unlikely that the Pac 12 would be willing to take 3 tag alongs (that doesn't include OU) to get to 16. They would likely offer Texas and Texas Tech and stop there.

They'd offer Texas alone first. If Texas was politically constrained from going solo -- even though that is exactly what A&M just did with the SEC -- then there are other instate schools more attractive to PAC than TT.

Quote:WVU then gets to renew the Marshall rivalry as a conference game. The ACC continues to laugh derisively at them.

There is simply no plausible scenario in which that happens in the next 30-40 years. Probably longer than that.

(12-04-2015 03:52 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 12:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  How about this?

Texas, Oklahoma, TCU & either Houston or Cincinnati. ND stays partial but with 6 games, perhaps 1 of them being permanent against Texas. Break into 3 6 team divisions. ND plays 2 from each division. Play 8 games, 5 division +1 permanent rival + 1 from each division. 2 highest ranked teams meet in CCG.

West
Texas, Oklahoma, TCU, Houston/Cincy, Louisville, Miami

Atlantic
FSU, Clemson, NC State, WF, BC, Syracuse

Coastal
GT, VT, NC, Duke, Virginia, Pitt

Rivals
FSU-Miami
Clemson-GT
NC-NC State
Duke-WF
Texas-VT
Virginia-Louisville
Oklahoma-Pittsburgh
BC-TCU
Syracuse-Houston/Cincy

Just an outside perspective here, but would TCU and Houston/Cincinnati be needed to get Texas and Oklahoma? Why not just Texas and Oklahoma?

(This leaves a spot for Notre Dame if they eventually decide to join as a full member.)

Then, go 4 scheduling divisions; 9-game schedule includes 3 divisional games, then rotate 6 games through the remaining 12 teams, with 10 of 16 having a "rival". Play everyone at least once every 2-3 years.

Top teams play in the CCG in Charlotte.

ATLANTIC: FSU, Clemson, NC State, Wake
COASTAL: UNC, Duke, UVA, Georgia Tech
EAST: Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Miami
WEST: Texas, Oklahoma, Louisville, Virginia Tech

"Rivals"
FSU-Miami
UNC-NC State
Duke-Wake
UVA-Virginia Tech
Clemson-Georgia Tech

[WIthout a contrived "rival", Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisville might end up playing Syracuse, Boston College, and Pitt a little more frequently than other cross-division matchups, but not yearly or anything]

Notre Dame plays 6 ACC games - current rotation plus either Texas or Oklahoma each year.

During Rivalry Weekend:

In-Conference
UNC-NC State
Duke-Wake
UVA-Virginia Tech
Miami-Pitt
Syracuse-Boston College

OOC
FSU-Florida
Georgia Tech-Georgia
Clemson-South Carolina
Louisville-Kentucky
Texas-Texas A&M
Oklahoma-Oklahoma St.

Perhaps they wouldn't be needed but it does round off a nice western division. But with Oklahoma TCU wouldn't be needed so another size able market like Houston could be useful as well as getting into Ohio with Cincinnati. Kansas would also be a nice get in foursome. Ideally the 4 would be Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas & ND but after being in 2 conferences now with ND as a partial I could care less if they join or not. Perhaps Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas & Cincinnati would be more feasible than ND.

If you have 4 divisions then it would make sense to have a 4 team CC playoff, I don't see that happening anytime soon so 18 with a 3x6 looks good to me. I prefer the 3x6 over a 2x9 so that everyone can still face each other more often & with only 8 conference games. With 16 you almost have to do a 2x8. If ND were to come all in then a 3x5 would be ideal for the ACC.

I would assume that a network would be the motivation so taking 4 would expand the footprint & add quality content.

Kansas has been suspiciously quiet. It reminds me of Rutgers before they got the tag along with Maryland. Could they have a "we are next" agreement with the B1G?

I like the idea of a western pod.

Interesting ideas but nobody wants West Virginia! Nothing happens until Texas decides what it is going to do. If the idea is four 16 team conferences the PAC has 4 openings, the ACC has one, the BIG and SEC each have two. That means there are only nine openings and you are leaving out the possibility of schools defecting from one conference to another.

(12-04-2015 01:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 01:05 PM)Sportsfan1 Wrote:  Over time between now and the year Big12 Grant of Rights expires Notre Dame continues to struggle making the college football playoffs without that extra game that would come from a conference championship game. Notre Dame begins conversation with ACC about full membership. ACC starts talks with Texas and let's them know of Notre Dames intentions of joining FULLTIME. Texas decides it will join if it can bring some friends but not little Texas friends, they want the bigger more attractive friends Oklahoma and Kansas to join them to create an 18 team power ACC. However at the 10th hour of talks Kansas announces it has accepted an invite from the BIG. The ACC decides to swallow it's academic pride and invite West Virginia to join along with Notre Dame, Texas, and Oklahoma.

You had me right up to "invite West Virginia"

He had me up to "expires".


P.S. No to a sixth annual ACC game for ND, sorry.

I support the additions of Texas and Tulane or Texas and Rice. Change the conference name to the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts and Midwestern Athletic Conference.

(12-06-2015 10:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  I support the additions of Texas and Tulane or Texas and Rice. Change the conference name to the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts and Midwestern Athletic Conference.

*Atlantic and Gulf Coasts and Midwestern Athletic Conference of America

"AAGCAMACOA" for short.

(12-06-2015 10:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  I support the additions of Texas and Tulane or Texas and Rice. Change the conference name to the Atlantic and Gulf Coasts and Midwestern Athletic Conference.

How about "States which border on some body of water conference"?

Ok now you guys don't seem to be taking this seriously.

(12-06-2015 11:50 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Ok now you guys don't seem to be taking this seriously.

Says the guy whose team borders the Ohio River

(12-06-2015 12:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 11:50 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Ok now you guys don't seem to be taking this seriously.

Says the guy whose team borders the Ohio River

Hey, I know a guy with a pool in Kentucky - that counts, right?

Any Coast Conference

"THE Conference"

Louisville, Virginia Tech, Clemson, FSU and Miami were to leave the ACC, it would be called The Little Carolina Conference.