Would be a great jump start for any coach

Yeah, and getting Babe Ruth would sure be a huge boost for the Rock.

(12-02-2015 11:25 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Yeah, and getting Babe Ruth would sure be a huge boost for the Rock.

Yes, but he would be like 110 years old

I wonder if VT would have been a certain someone's dream job if Lynch were coming back.

(12-02-2015 11:31 AM)mairving Wrote:  I wonder if VT would have been a certain someone's dream job if Lynch were coming back.

yep

(12-02-2015 11:28 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:25 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  Yeah, and getting Babe Ruth would sure be a huge boost for the Rock.

Yes, but he would be like 110 years old

So maybe he could help out the Basketball team instead...

(12-02-2015 11:32 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:31 AM)mairving Wrote:  I wonder if VT would have been a certain someone's dream job if Lynch were coming back.

yep

Agree. Fuente probably would have left anyway. Timely opportunities don't just drop in your lap every day and Fuente had to take this one while it was available. I wish him well and think he will be successful. Maybe some day we won't just be a stepping stone program but that won't happen until (1) we get into a P5 conference and (2) show sustained success.

(12-02-2015 11:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:32 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:31 AM)mairving Wrote:  I wonder if VT would have been a certain someone's dream job if Lynch were coming back.

yep

Agree. Fuente probably would have left anyway. Timely opportunities don't just drop in your lap every day and Fuente had to take this one while it was available. I wish him well and think he will be successful. Maybe some day we won't just be a stepping stone program but that won't happen until (1) we get into a P5 conference and (2) show sustained success.

Of course he would. People really believe a coach would stay over one player? Being good at football has made these boards even goofier than usual

(12-02-2015 12:12 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:32 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:31 AM)mairving Wrote:  I wonder if VT would have been a certain someone's dream job if Lynch were coming back.

yep

Agree. Fuente probably would have left anyway. Timely opportunities don't just drop in your lap every day and Fuente had to take this one while it was available. I wish him well and think he will be successful. Maybe some day we won't just be a stepping stone program but that won't happen until (1) we get into a P5 conference and (2) show sustained success.

Of course he would. People really believe a coach would stay over one player? Being good at football has made these boards even goofier than usual

If Fuente felt Lynch coming back along with his defense improving would lead to an undefeated season, he would not have left because that would have led to even bigger opportunities next year. With Paxton leaving (assumed) it would be likely his team would take a step back and his stock would be less hot after next season.

(12-02-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:12 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:32 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:31 AM)mairving Wrote:  I wonder if VT would have been a certain someone's dream job if Lynch were coming back.

yep

Agree. Fuente probably would have left anyway. Timely opportunities don't just drop in your lap every day and Fuente had to take this one while it was available. I wish him well and think he will be successful. Maybe some day we won't just be a stepping stone program but that won't happen until (1) we get into a P5 conference and (2) show sustained success.

Of course he would. People really believe a coach would stay over one player? Being good at football has made these boards even goofier than usual

If Fuente felt Lynch coming back along with his defense improving would lead to an undefeated season, he would not have left because that would have led to even bigger opportunities next year. With Paxton leaving (assumed) it would be likely his team would take a step back and his stock would be less hot after next season.

Disagree. There are no guarantees - even if Lynch came back and what you say about next year's season came true (which I think is doubtful), who knows what coaching jobs would be open then.

(12-02-2015 10:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Would be a great jump start for any coach

Man, this is simple... We had a guy that we wanted, he wanted to come here .... his HC left and now he is a candidate for HC of his home town team .. that complicated the situation, now Odom is waiting til Mizzou names a coach to sign with us...

IT IS THAT SIMPLE... there is no "walking out" there is no "Odom Turns Down Memphis" there is only bad timing ...

We have a list of at least 5 different guys that are interested in the job who all know that Paxton is going pro ... they are still interested, you will love the new coach (unless you are a miserable person)

(12-02-2015 02:08 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:12 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:32 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  yep

Agree. Fuente probably would have left anyway. Timely opportunities don't just drop in your lap every day and Fuente had to take this one while it was available. I wish him well and think he will be successful. Maybe some day we won't just be a stepping stone program but that won't happen until (1) we get into a P5 conference and (2) show sustained success.

Of course he would. People really believe a coach would stay over one player? Being good at football has made these boards even goofier than usual

If Fuente felt Lynch coming back along with his defense improving would lead to an undefeated season, he would not have left because that would have led to even bigger opportunities next year. With Paxton leaving (assumed) it would be likely his team would take a step back and his stock would be less hot after next season.

Disagree. There are no guarantees - even if Lynch came back and what you say about next year's season came true (which I think is doubtful), who knows what coaching jobs would be open then.

Agreed that the job market is unpredictable...But I don't think many coaches leave a team they feel can be a contender...

That is likely why Herman is coming back because Herman knows that if he keeps it going for 2 more years while Ward is there that he will be able to take any open jobs. That is the difference between the two situations, Houston is on an upward trend and Memphis is likely on a downward trend next year.

(12-02-2015 02:15 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 10:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  Would be a great jump start for any coach

Man, this is simple... We had a guy that we wanted, he wanted to come here .... his HC left and now he is a candidate for HC of his home town team .. that complicated the situation, now Odom is waiting til Mizzou names a coach to sign with us...

IT IS THAT SIMPLE... there is no "walking out" there is no "Odom Turns Down Memphis" there is only bad timing ...

We have a list of at least 5 different guys that are interested in the job who all know that Paxton is going pro ... they are still interested, you will love the new coach (unless you are a miserable person)

It is better that the coaching change at Missouri happened this year as opposed to next year. If it happened next year and Odom had a successful year we would be screwed.

(12-02-2015 02:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 02:08 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:12 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 11:45 AM)presskh Wrote:  Agree. Fuente probably would have left anyway. Timely opportunities don't just drop in your lap every day and Fuente had to take this one while it was available. I wish him well and think he will be successful. Maybe some day we won't just be a stepping stone program but that won't happen until (1) we get into a P5 conference and (2) show sustained success.

Of course he would. People really believe a coach would stay over one player? Being good at football has made these boards even goofier than usual

If Fuente felt Lynch coming back along with his defense improving would lead to an undefeated season, he would not have left because that would have led to even bigger opportunities next year. With Paxton leaving (assumed) it would be likely his team would take a step back and his stock would be less hot after next season.

Disagree. There are no guarantees - even if Lynch came back and what you say about next year's season came true (which I think is doubtful), who knows what coaching jobs would be open then.

Agreed that the job market is unpredictable...But I don't think many coaches leave a team they feel can be a contender...

That is likely why Herman is coming back because Herman knows that if he keeps it going for 2 more years while Ward is there that he will be able to take any open jobs. That is the difference between the two situations, Houston is on an upward trend and Memphis is likely on a downward trend next year.

VT is a potentially elite (top 15ish) job that is paying $3.5 million a year. You do not gamble that for the hope of an undefeated season. He would have been Lynch getting hurt for one game away from his entire plan collapsing and then hoping to be able to get a job a step down from VT most likely.

(12-02-2015 02:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 02:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 02:08 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:12 PM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Of course he would. People really believe a coach would stay over one player? Being good at football has made these boards even goofier than usual

If Fuente felt Lynch coming back along with his defense improving would lead to an undefeated season, he would not have left because that would have led to even bigger opportunities next year. With Paxton leaving (assumed) it would be likely his team would take a step back and his stock would be less hot after next season.

Disagree. There are no guarantees - even if Lynch came back and what you say about next year's season came true (which I think is doubtful), who knows what coaching jobs would be open then.

Agreed that the job market is unpredictable...But I don't think many coaches leave a team they feel can be a contender...

That is likely why Herman is coming back because Herman knows that if he keeps it going for 2 more years while Ward is there that he will be able to take any open jobs. That is the difference between the two situations, Houston is on an upward trend and Memphis is likely on a downward trend next year.

VT is a potentially elite (top 15ish) job that is paying $3.5 million a year. You do not gamble that for the hope of an undefeated season. He would have been Lynch getting hurt for one game away from his entire plan collapsing and then hoping to be able to get a job a step down from VT most likely.

He would have got quite a raise to stay in Memphis, so he wouldn't have lost that much. He did the right thing and I'm going to pull for him unless they play the Tigers. That might be a great future OOC game.

(12-02-2015 02:39 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 02:25 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 02:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 02:08 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 12:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If Fuente felt Lynch coming back along with his defense improving would lead to an undefeated season, he would not have left because that would have led to even bigger opportunities next year. With Paxton leaving (assumed) it would be likely his team would take a step back and his stock would be less hot after next season.

Disagree. There are no guarantees - even if Lynch came back and what you say about next year's season came true (which I think is doubtful), who knows what coaching jobs would be open then.

Agreed that the job market is unpredictable...But I don't think many coaches leave a team they feel can be a contender...

That is likely why Herman is coming back because Herman knows that if he keeps it going for 2 more years while Ward is there that he will be able to take any open jobs. That is the difference between the two situations, Houston is on an upward trend and Memphis is likely on a downward trend next year.

VT is a potentially elite (top 15ish) job that is paying $3.5 million a year. You do not gamble that for the hope of an undefeated season. He would have been Lynch getting hurt for one game away from his entire plan collapsing and then hoping to be able to get a job a step down from VT most likely.

He would have got quite a raise to stay in Memphis, so he wouldn't have lost that much. He did the right thing and I'm going to pull for him unless they play the Tigers. That might be a great future OOC game.

Actually for JF to get that nice raise it likely would have cost him a significant increase in buyout & that might have become problematic for even most P5 schools (it's working for Houston). Probably not a problem for UGA or the like but VPI didn't pay Beamer scale for the status of the program & while they stepped up to get JF, a large buyout might have made it more than VPI was willing to invest.

"I wonder how much more interesting our job would be if Paxton was coming back"

I'd love to coach Brady Davis for 3-4 years...esp with a stable of backs like Cooper/Dorceus

moreover, we have a weak schedule next season...FCS team, Kansas, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, BGSU, etc...all winnable games.

(12-02-2015 04:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  "I wonder how much more interesting our job would be if Paxton was coming back"

I'd love to coach Brady Davis for 3-4 years...esp with a stable of backs like Cooper/Dorceus

moreover, we have a weak schedule next season...FCS team, Kansas, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, BGSU, etc...all winnable games.

We definitely have a good schedule next year, one reason this hire is so important to keep progressing.