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Why Odom?
What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
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RE: Why Odom?
Because he knows the players, knows the program, knows what Fuente was trying to establish. It would be viewed as an easier transitions that bringing in someone that doesn't know Memphis the school or city at all. He is also viewed as one of the best assistants in the country and has the chops to be a head coach.
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RE: Why Odom?
Yes, but why male models?
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:02 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote: Yes, but why male models?
Odom has perfected "Blue Steel" and "Magnum".
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RE: Why Odom?
He is well respected around the country. All his former and current players love him. I dont think hes a slam dunk hire but nobody would be that we will hire we have to take a chance on someone.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
You're a fool.
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RE: Why Odom?
I'm not sure what defense you watched, but they kept them in every single game.
His defense here improved every season. His defense this year was ranked 15th overall and I believe 7th in scoring defense. That's pretty dang good
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
Mizzou's defense was #11 in the nation this year in total defense.
I've never met the guy, but before he even left for Mizzou he was being mentioned as Fuente's possible replacement.
Apparently, the guy appears to have most of the qualities that it takes to be a good head coach.
That being said, there is no slam dunk pick.
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RE: Why Odom?
When he came to Memphis our D was ranked 117th. When he left it was ranked something like 25th. His D at Mizzou was ranked 12th. This isn't a "just by chance" type thing.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:09 PM)tigers0830 Wrote: I'm not sure what defense you watched, but they kept them in every single game.
His defense here improved every season. His defense this year was ranked 15th overall and I believe 7th in scoring defense. That's pretty dang good
Their offense also ranked #117? in time of possession. Still being a top 10 d is impressive.
Don't be haters and lose your poise. Odom will be great here if Sexton doesn't screw it up.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:02 PM)Timmy989 Wrote: Because he knows the players, knows the program, knows what Fuente was trying to establish. It would be viewed as an easier transitions that bringing in someone that doesn't know Memphis the school or city at all. He is also viewed as one of the best assistants in the country and has the chops to be a head coach.
What are you basing this on?
Fuente had no connection with the city or players and he did extremely well here.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:08 PM)Tigerfan935 Wrote: (12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
You're a fool.
Tell me why. Use your words.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:09 PM)3601 Wrote: (12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
Mizzou's defense was #11 in the nation this year in total defense.
I've never met the guy, but before he even left for Mizzou he was being mentioned as Fuente's possible replacement.
Apparently, the guy appears to have most of the qualities that it takes to be a good head coach.
That being said, there is no slam dunk pick.
Total defense is a misleading stat, it's too affected by the amount of plays run and time of possession.
Looking at defensive efficiency rankings, the more accurate stat, Mizzou is 22nd this season.
They were 19th last season and 8th the season before that. This is effectively their worst defense in three years.
I understand that he's being thrown around as Fuente's replacement (both before Fuente left and now), my question is "why"?
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:44 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (12-01-2015 04:08 PM)Tigerfan935 Wrote: (12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
You're a fool.
Tell me why. Use your words.
That sounds very Dr. Phil of you.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:53 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote: That sounds very Dr. Phil of you.
That gentleman was very upset that someone was asking an innocuous question about Barry Odom. I can only assume that he has deep seeded anger and abandonment issues.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 04:51 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (12-01-2015 04:09 PM)3601 Wrote: (12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
Mizzou's defense was #11 in the nation this year in total defense.
I've never met the guy, but before he even left for Mizzou he was being mentioned as Fuente's possible replacement.
Apparently, the guy appears to have most of the qualities that it takes to be a good head coach.
That being said, there is no slam dunk pick.
Total defense is a misleading stat, it's too affected by the amount of plays run and time of possession.
Looking at defensive efficiency rankings, the more accurate stat, Mizzou is 22nd this season.
They were 19th last season and 8th the season before that. This is effectively their worst defense in three years.
I understand that he's being thrown around as Fuente's replacement (both before Fuente left and now), my question is "why"?
http://www.rockmnation.com/missouri-foot...ck-rhoades
1. He's been awesome in just about every job he's held. He immediately resurrected the Memphis defense in his first coordinator gig; after ranking 117th in Def. S&P+ the year before he arrived with Justin Fuente, he engineered a No. 61 ranking in 2012, No. 40 in 2013, and No. 23 in 2014, in the first year post-Odom, Memphis has fallen to No. 69. Plus, despite turnover up front, he inherited a Missouri defense that ranked 15th last year and has them ranked, yes, 15th this year.
2. He has received massive endorsements from each of his last two bosses, Fuente and Pinkel. He is well-regarded as a tactician, a recruiter, and potential administrator. He was seen by some as Mizzou's best recruiter during his first Pinkel stint, and he was generally thought of as a steady, organized position coach. We don't yet know what his weaknesses are because he hasn't shown them yet.
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RE: Why Odom?
Odom is a damn good DC, but he's never been a head coach and IMO he's not worth being held hostage over when WE have offered and THEY haven't. Hey I know it's his alma mater but it's obvious that he's not their first choice. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 05:01 PM)3601 Wrote: (12-01-2015 04:51 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (12-01-2015 04:09 PM)3601 Wrote: (12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
Mizzou's defense was #11 in the nation this year in total defense.
I've never met the guy, but before he even left for Mizzou he was being mentioned as Fuente's possible replacement.
Apparently, the guy appears to have most of the qualities that it takes to be a good head coach.
That being said, there is no slam dunk pick.
Total defense is a misleading stat, it's too affected by the amount of plays run and time of possession.
Looking at defensive efficiency rankings, the more accurate stat, Mizzou is 22nd this season.
They were 19th last season and 8th the season before that. This is effectively their worst defense in three years.
I understand that he's being thrown around as Fuente's replacement (both before Fuente left and now), my question is "why"?
http://www.rockmnation.com/missouri-foot...ck-rhoades
1. He's been awesome in just about every job he's held. He immediately resurrected the Memphis defense in his first coordinator gig; after ranking 117th in Def. S&P+ the year before he arrived with Justin Fuente, he engineered a No. 61 ranking in 2012, No. 40 in 2013, and No. 23 in 2014, in the first year post-Odom, Memphis has fallen to No. 69. Plus, despite turnover up front, he inherited a Missouri defense that ranked 15th last year and has them ranked, yes, 15th this year.
2. He has received massive endorsements from each of his last two bosses, Fuente and Pinkel. He is well-regarded as a tactician, a recruiter, and potential administrator. He was seen by some as Mizzou's best recruiter during his first Pinkel stint, and he was generally thought of as a steady, organized position coach. We don't yet know what his weaknesses are because he hasn't shown them yet.
My qualm about the defense is small: how much of it was Odom making magic happen, and how much of it was simply Larry Porter's outstanding defensive talent growing from sophomores to juniors to seniors?
He basically kept the status quo at Missouri while inheriting great LBS and DBs and one really good DE.
His weakness is his absolute inexperience as an HC, at this point. I'm not speaking badly about the guy and I think he's a really good coordinator, but but is he the best candidate out there or simply the best one with ties to the Fuente years?
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 05:05 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote: Odom is a damn good DC, but he's never been a head coach and IMO he's not worth being held hostage over when WE have offered and THEY haven't. Hey I know it's his alma mater but it's obvious that he's not their first choice. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Who do we have in hand?
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RE: Why Odom?
(12-01-2015 05:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (12-01-2015 05:01 PM)3601 Wrote: (12-01-2015 04:51 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (12-01-2015 04:09 PM)3601 Wrote: (12-01-2015 03:58 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: What's the appeal of Odom over other candidates at this point?
Personally, he had great defensive talent when he was here at Memphis.
His defense at Missouri was better than the offense at Missouri but that's not saying a whole lot. I've watched them and they're a middling SEC defense. Mizzou was pretty bad all around this season. Anyway, he's been there one year so it's hard to tell how much this season can reflect on him.
But he's only been a coordinator since 2012. Why is he suddenly Memphis' top candidate?
Mizzou's defense was #11 in the nation this year in total defense.
I've never met the guy, but before he even left for Mizzou he was being mentioned as Fuente's possible replacement.
Apparently, the guy appears to have most of the qualities that it takes to be a good head coach.
That being said, there is no slam dunk pick.
Total defense is a misleading stat, it's too affected by the amount of plays run and time of possession.
Looking at defensive efficiency rankings, the more accurate stat, Mizzou is 22nd this season.
They were 19th last season and 8th the season before that. This is effectively their worst defense in three years.
I understand that he's being thrown around as Fuente's replacement (both before Fuente left and now), my question is "why"?
http://www.rockmnation.com/missouri-foot...ck-rhoades
1. He's been awesome in just about every job he's held. He immediately resurrected the Memphis defense in his first coordinator gig; after ranking 117th in Def. S&P+ the year before he arrived with Justin Fuente, he engineered a No. 61 ranking in 2012, No. 40 in 2013, and No. 23 in 2014, in the first year post-Odom, Memphis has fallen to No. 69. Plus, despite turnover up front, he inherited a Missouri defense that ranked 15th last year and has them ranked, yes, 15th this year.
2. He has received massive endorsements from each of his last two bosses, Fuente and Pinkel. He is well-regarded as a tactician, a recruiter, and potential administrator. He was seen by some as Mizzou's best recruiter during his first Pinkel stint, and he was generally thought of as a steady, organized position coach. We don't yet know what his weaknesses are because he hasn't shown them yet.
My qualm about the defense is small: how much of it was Odom making magic happen, and how much of it was simply Larry Porter's outstanding defensive talent growing from sophomores to juniors to seniors?
He basically kept the status quo at Missouri while inheriting great LBS and DBs and one really good DE.
His weakness is his absolute inexperience as an HC, at this point. I'm not speaking badly about the guy and I think he's a really good coordinator, but but is he the best candidate out there or simply the best one with ties to the Fuente years?
As I stated elsewhere, there is no such thing as a slam dunk. He could turn out to be a great head coach or he could end up being a bust.
That being said, I think your "small qualm" about his ability as a DC is a stretch. I think he has proven over four years that he is a darn good DC. At least I'm sold.
Gary Pinkel probably knows much more about FB than you and I combined and he thought enough of the guy to hire him as a DC.
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