(12-01-2015 03:05 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Frequently, UH gets a transfer from some Texas kid that elected to go to the cold, far north. After, one or two years, the mistake is realized.

I'm not really sure what that means. We have a history of success with FL recruits, and are starting to pull recruits in from places like NC, MS, and VA.

(12-01-2015 03:32 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 03:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  What does that have to do with some coaches liking big cities and their amenities?

People are responding to the thread title. Your line of thought about some coaches liking big cities is not what was being asked.

I was trying to direct reply to Billybob and it got lost in translation, sorry.

(12-01-2015 03:35 PM)JesseTU Wrote:  So we have Nebraska sliding downhill... and that's evidence that "small town" colleges can't find a coach?

Lets try to think of some towns:

Stillwater
College Station
Gainesville
Southbend
Oxford Miss
Waco
Ann Harbor
Chapel Hill
Anapolis
Eugene
Salt Lake City is a little small
even Baton Rouge is smaller than Lincoln
Lansing + East Lansing MI together are about the same size as Lincoln.

Also:
Tuscaloosa, AL
Clemson, SC
Iowa City
Norman, OK

Basically, what I'm saying is that the OP doesn't know anything and didn't bother either knowing the population of Lincoln or looking at the top 25 rankings and figure out what cities those colleges are in. Ohio State, Stanford, TCU, Northwesterm [sic], Houston, Temple, and USC are the only ranked teams from major metro areas. And really, the only teams from towns larger than Lincoln. We can throw in OU if we want to, since it is in the OKC metro. Of course, Washington State, BYU, Arkansas, WV, and Ark State are also drawing votes and add to my argument, so...

Dumb thread is dumb.

Before spouting off that the premise is dumb, analyze the numbers:

Salt Lake City has a major pro sports team. Salt Lake City and Provo, as combined areas, have about as many people as San Antonio for example. It's not Green Bay. Ann Arbor is suburban Detroit. I'd compare it to San Marcos/San Antonio/Austin. Annapolis is a typical Northeast coastal mid-sized town and close to Baltimore. Chapel Hill is an anchor to a metro with over a million people. Even Eugene is on the outskirts of the Portland suburbs.

There's no correlation between big cities and towns being better than one another for a coach. That's why the thread is dumb.

Let's not pretend decades of tv exposure that was shoved down our throats had nothing to do with what the tiny football towns are what they're today... Tv exposur was their big game changer, with out it, they're an after thought for everyone.

Now if we reverse this tactic say for the big cities college teams as we are witnessing now Houston Cincinnati Temple Memphis to name a few for example, I do believe this could decrease the interest enormously for the smaller town teams.

USC and UCLA are doing just fine.

I think City plays into it sometimes but it's a dynamic argument.

Well let me rephrase: USC would be doing just fine if they didn't have an AD named Haden.

(12-01-2015 04:08 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 03:35 PM)JesseTU Wrote:  So we have Nebraska sliding downhill... and that's evidence that "small town" colleges can't find a coach?

Lets try to think of some towns:

Stillwater
College Station
Gainesville
Southbend
Oxford Miss
Waco
Ann Harbor
Chapel Hill
Anapolis
Eugene
Salt Lake City is a little small
even Baton Rouge is smaller than Lincoln
Lansing + East Lansing MI together are about the same size as Lincoln.

Also:
Tuscaloosa, AL
Clemson, SC
Iowa City
Norman, OK

Basically, what I'm saying is that the OP doesn't know anything and didn't bother either knowing the population of Lincoln or looking at the top 25 rankings and figure out what cities those colleges are in. Ohio State, Stanford, TCU, Northwesterm [sic], Houston, Temple, and USC are the only ranked teams from major metro areas. And really, the only teams from towns larger than Lincoln. We can throw in OU if we want to, since it is in the OKC metro. Of course, Washington State, BYU, Arkansas, WV, and Ark State are also drawing votes and add to my argument, so...

Dumb thread is dumb.

Before spouting off that the premise is dumb, analyze the numbers:

Salt Lake City has a major pro sports team. Salt Lake City and Provo, as combined areas, have about as many people as San Antonio for example. It's not Green Bay. Ann Arbor is suburban Detroit. I'd compare it to San Marcos/San Antonio/Austin. Annapolis is a typical Northeast coastal mid-sized town and close to Baltimore. Chapel Hill is an anchor to a metro with over a million people. Even Eugene is on the outskirts of the Portland suburbs.

There's no correlation between big cities and towns being better than one another for a coach. That's why the thread is dumb.

Yeah, SLC has a metro close to 1.2m, and 2.4m in the greater Salt Lake area (CSA) according to the Feds. Also, SLC has two major sports teams in addition to the metro area providing good attendance to two college programs in FB and BB.

I'm not on board with calling the MLS major but Salt Lake is certainly big enough to have a sports profession where they pay players hundreds of thousands of dollars and beyond.

(12-02-2015 02:10 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm not on board with calling the MLS major but Salt Lake is certainly big enough to have a sports profession where they pay players hundreds of thousands of dollars and beyond.

Better attendance than the NBA and NHL. It's getting there.

It's not even close.

Not
Even
Close

Even for the few people that do care about MLS champions, no one else listens. Compare that to champions in all of the other sports.

(12-01-2015 03:05 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  I think the difference is: "recruiting area". Look at USF. It gets a new coach and quickly gets great recruiting. Now, its performance is surging. It does not matter whether Tampa is small or large if a coach can recruit like USF has.

Then, watch UCF with a new coach. I probably should say "watchout" instead.

Arkansas was a top school until it left the association with Texas and the SWC.
It has not been the same since in either basketball or football.

Similarly, Nebraska broke its assocation with Texas recruits and has not been the same since.

I think you will see the same with Missouri.

Kids want to play for a winner but they also want to play where their friends and family can attend. Playing with or against former highschool team mates is also important to them.

Frequently, UH gets a transfer from some Texas kid that elected to go to the cold, far north. After, one or two years, the mistake is realized.

It helps to be in a recruiting hotbed. What the big 3 don't take normally is enough to generate top 40 recruiting classes. Every now and then we get a player or two they want. That turns it into a top 30 or even top 25 class. You've seen it with that dt you have all lined up.

Usf is actually better down in Miami as the kids there usually have a hunger to prove themselves, like city living, like that they can go away for college. Both flowers and Nichols are from Miami. It also works well with the Sarasota and Bradenton kids who are just an hour away from home (see, mack, marlon). lastly we have a strong pipeline into Immokalee, which produces some excellent talent.

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This is why Miami may never recapture its glory. It's has too many teams vying for recruits that weren't there in the 80's or didn't matter (Florida hadn't come to power yet).