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RE: The 2015-16 Big East Season to Date
Higher seeds don't guarantee victories either. More teams only improve the league's odds of having one (or multiple) schools go far in the dance.
12-15-2015 02:15 PM
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(12-15-2015 02:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Higher seeds don't guarantee victories either. More teams only improve the league's odds of having one (or multiple) schools go far in the dance.

but at the same time, if you lower a 6 seed to a 8 seed, you are pretty much dooming that team.

Also, no guarantee that more teams in tourney = more money. If the existing teams win more games, that's not the case at all.
12-15-2015 02:44 PM
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RE: The 2015-16 Big East Season to Date
revisiting now vs last year start of conference play
Villanova 4 now vs 6 last year +2
Xavier 9 now vs 28 last year +19
Butler 29 now vs 37 last year +8
Georgetown 46 now vs 30 last year -16
Providence 47 now vs 50 last year +3
Seton Hall 53 now vs 41 last year -12
Creighton 58 now vs 79 last year +21
Marquette 74 now vs 103 last year +29
St John's 166 now vs 16 last year -150
DePaul 177 now vs 204 last year +27

last year ranks 6,16,28,30,37,41,50,79,103,204
this year ranks 4,9,29,46,47,53,58,74,166,177
just looking- top 2 better, 4-7 group better last year, 9th much better last year, 10th much better this year.

also last year entering conference play:
Ken pom- 59.4 vs 66.3 this year
RPI- 69.4 vs 80.5 this year
RPI Forecast- 70.1 vs 75.8 this year

It's funny, the perception seems SO much stronger this year vs last year- but the numbers don't bare it out. The RPI is interesting as well(granted it's still 2 weeks out). We entered conference play last year with 6 top 40 teams in the RPI. and a 7th at 57. This year we have 3 top 26 teams, Butler at 47 and Seton Hall at 59- then next team is Georgetown at 104.

Hopefully the 2 weeks out part is right- but there again, have some RPI bombs left on the schedule.
12-16-2015 10:38 AM
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it's funny- what has happened the Big East has become a LOT more top heavy. The top 4 teams have separated a lot from the other 6. And that's a GREAT thing IMO. Your perception as a conference is built on your top teams. It's not built on how good your 9th place team is. You don't hear conferences say our 9th place team can kick your 9th place teams ass. It's built totally on how good your best is.
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interesting coming back to this thread at this point of the season..... The top 3 teams have really kind of separated perception wise- although Creighton and Georgetown are tied standings wise with X and PC. Butler has fallen off big time. HUGE week for them IMO. Saw today that only 1 team in history made the tourney if they were 4 or more games below .500 in conference play. So that would mean they absolutely need to get at least 6 more conference wins here to end the season. And even there- they could wind up having to play in the 7/10 game vs St John's which would be a 3rd RPI bomb from St John's for their SOS.

This week just 2 must win games for Butler. A loss in either is a bad loss, and also a 6th conference loss. With Georgetown x2, Seton Hall x2, Xavier, Nova left on the schedule- along with 2nd Creighton game- wouldn't want to head into that stretch needing to go even 3-4 in that stretch. This year just isn't connecting for Butler at all.
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Butler had a tough schedule to start the Big East season but three of their next four games are against DePaul, St. Johns and Marquette. Those three should finish at the bottom of the Big East standings. Butler needs to win those games. The fourth game is against Georgetown. The Hoyas are wildly inconsistent this year, so that is a winnable game for Butler as well.
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If the Marquette game was home for Butler I'd say that'd be close to a lock. But it's on the road.

And frankly wouldn't want to look past tomorrow night with DePaul. DePaul coming off win @ Marquette in a fashion that could turn a season around. Will be real interesting to see that game.
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DePaul has been very competitive this year in Big East play, despite it's record both this year and last. They are noticeably improved in terms of competition since last year. I knew going into the DePaul game that there was significant chance of an upset, although it didn't make it hurt any less.

Butler can easily turn things around with wins against DePaul, St. Johns and us. It won't be easy, but certainly doable - and the way I've seen Butler play this year, I think that is what ends up happening.

Georgetown could very well end up with a weak OOC record, strong conference record and have potential to challenge for the Big East tournament championship in March. They have had the talent to be a top-25 team all season long, but for whatever reason, JTIII hasn't been able to get the group to gel. They will be team to watch as the season concludes.
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Yeah the Chicago Franchise has improved quite a bit. Now if we can get the New York Franchise turned around we may have something..... That would be pure gr8ness!!!!

on a serious note- won't be shocked if Butler wins those 3 games. But even there if they lose to Georgetown still only 5-6 with 7 games to go. With @ Seton Hall, Xavier, Creighton, @ Nova, @ Georgetown, Seton Hall, and Marquette left. Needing at least 3 of those 7, if not quite possibly 4. going to be really interesting.....
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