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Wow.

If he does stay, the battle for Houston is likely over. Timing couldn't be worse
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UH has been very clear that their objective is to end up in a P5 conference.

They are clearly putting their money where their sandwich board is.
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If 800k buy out is roadblock for the so called answer to all our football problems, you can see easily our problem. D1 football is big business, 800k is chump change.
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(11-30-2015 03:56 PM)ETx Owl Wrote:  If 800k buy out is roadblock for the so called answer to all our football problems, you can see easily our problem. D1 football is big business, 800k is chump change.

Exactly.

if so, we are playing at the wrong level
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Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea
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(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

I thibk we should take a look at what we could do with an extra $1M a year if the 5,000 students on campus would be willing to pay an extra $200 on top of their $55K in tuition and fees. Heck that's less than half the cost of parking on campus and that cool mil could buy a lot of pizza and tshirts amongst other much needed funding.

Probably something for us to explore rather than make fun of.
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(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.
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UH to offer Herman $ 3M / year
(11-30-2015 04:11 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.

Like SMU - TCU
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(11-30-2015 04:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:11 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.

Like SMU - TCU

SMU is still a wee bit short of UH's level of success. On par in money spent.
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(11-30-2015 04:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:11 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.

Like SMU - TCU

SMU is still a wee bit short of UH's level of success. On par in money spent.

I assumed SMU:TCU as Rice:UH
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(11-30-2015 04:25 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:11 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.

Like SMU - TCU

SMU is still a wee bit short of UH's level of success. On par in money spent.

I assumed SMU:TCU as Rice:UH

Oh. Oops.
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RE: UH to offer Herman $ 3M / year
(11-30-2015 04:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:11 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.

Like SMU - TCU

Agree with the analogy and feel your pain ... but I think the big difference is that UH is making their move without P5 cash.

I guess you can argue that TCU made a similar move pre-Big 12, but I'm not sure even they made as bold of a move as what UH is doing with Herman.
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RE: UH to offer Herman $ 3M / year
(11-30-2015 04:31 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:11 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.

Like SMU - TCU

Agree with the analogy and feel your pain ... but I think the big difference is that UH is making their move without P5 cash.

I guess you can argue that TCU made a similar move pre-Big 12, but I'm not sure even they made as bold of a move as what UH is doing with Herman.

Agree. TCU's moves were a more calculated multi-season campaign to get to P5 status. They correctly "read the tea leaves" about where D1 football was going as the SWC broke up and put a plan in place to improve their position as much as they could. UH, on the other hand, like ourselves sort of went with the flow and now finding a chance to get where TCU is has chosen to go "all in". We shall see if it pays off both in terms of their athletic department and/or their academic side.
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RE: UH to offer Herman $ 3M / year
(11-30-2015 04:31 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:11 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

Making fun of UH isn't fun anymore. They aren't cross-town rivals now; they're on a different plane.

Like SMU - TCU

Agree with the analogy and feel your pain ... but I think the big difference is that UH is making their move without P5 cash.

I guess you can argue that TCU made a similar move pre-Big 12, but I'm not sure even they made as bold of a move as what UH is doing with Herman.

As of 2014 Patterson's salary is reportedly $3.5 mil and TCU's football budget is $23 million (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm45lih...son-tcu/).

Not sure where it was before that.
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Wasn't this already a thread?

Also, on the Rice buyout comments -- wouldn't it be $800k * n years of remaining contract? I believe n is 3, so buyout would be $2.4m?
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(11-30-2015 04:37 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 04:31 PM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  Agree with the analogy and feel your pain ... but I think the big difference is that UH is making their move without P5 cash.

I guess you can argue that TCU made a similar move pre-Big 12, but I'm not sure even they made as bold of a move as what UH is doing with Herman.

Agree. TCU's moves were a more calculated multi-season campaign to get to P5 status. They correctly "read the tea leaves" about where D1 football was going as the SWC broke up and put a plan in place to improve their position as much as they could. UH, on the other hand, like ourselves sort of went with the flow and now finding a chance to get where TCU is has chosen to go "all in". We shall see if it pays off both in terms of their athletic department and/or their academic side.

If Uh somehow was able to get into BigXII, it would close another door for Rice. Worse, if UH went to ACC and closed out the Houston/Texas market opportunity there. Rice's only potential P5 options would be down to Big10 and Pac12.

The endgame may be right now. UH to their credit has at least been trying to set things up for a chance with the things they have done the past few years, and are continuing to do now. Those who think Rice can just stay more or less status quo and wait for things to happen in a few years may well be deluding themselves. I'm no UH fan, but I can respect that they are apparently serious about playing the game. One EZF will not be nearly enough for Rice. We needed to build on that one CUSA championship and have followed it with 2 or 3 more and a couple of huge non-com wins and perhaps an Access bowl shot. No matter how sunny your outlook for next season, I agree with Owl69 I can't see more than 3 to 5 wins in this team next season with this same coach.

Luke Turner's crying presser won't change the reality that there is a lot more going on around us and we seem again to be being left even further behind from our lowly position we are in now by refusing to take far more substantial measures to change before it is completely too late.

One might well conclude we have no real intention to, and JK was in fact hired to smooth our transition to Div III rather than help position Rice to get back to P5 status. The name of the game seems to be major across the board investment, bigtime branding and marketing of your university through leveraging modern college athletics, especially football. That means going all in. When we continue to resist, we appear to comparatively fall back again. No matter how much some here may want it we can't wish college sports back to a time when huge annual dollar investments were not so necessary. We need to invest big, win big, and make a radical statement that we intend to play the game to win, or fold it and drop it completely. Perhaps that has been the plan all along. Case Western, meet Rice.
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(11-30-2015 04:00 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Wonder how high student fees will go to cover this expenditure ??03-idea

No higher, because they make the difference being successful and drawing 25,000+ fans to the stadium and are in a better conference that will bring them better revenue?

(11-30-2015 05:03 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  If Uh somehow was able to get into BigXII, it would close another door for Rice. Worse, if UH went to ACC and closed out the Houston/Texas market opportunity there. Rice's only potential P5 options would be down to Big10 and Pac12.

I'm actually thinking that UH to the BigXII would be Rice's best chance to move out of CUSA. Even if Rice wasn't heading for the P5 any time soon, Rice would (arguably) be one of the better (and obvious) options to backfill into the American conference. And the American conference has better peer schools, schools that more people have heard of, and better bowl affiliations. Plus, the BigXII is probably the least stable conference. In the past, there have been rumors in the past of UT thinking about the PAC or going independent, and that would really gut the conference. Not that I'm sure the BigXII is an option for Rice or UH, that conference doesn't really need another Texas-based school.
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(11-30-2015 05:05 PM)mrbig Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 05:03 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  If Uh somehow was able to get into BigXII, it would close another door for Rice. Worse, if UH went to ACC and closed out the Houston/Texas market opportunity there. Rice's only potential P5 options would be down to Big10 and Pac12.

I'm actually thinking that UH to the BigXII would be Rice's best chance to move out of CUSA. Even if Rice wasn't heading for the P5 any time soon, Rice would (arguably) be one of the better (and obvious) options to backfill into the American conference. And the American conference has better peer schools, schools that more people have heard of, and better bowl affiliations. Plus, the BigXII is probably the least stable conference. In the past, there have been rumors in the past of UT thinking about the PAC or going independent, and that would really gut the conference. Not that I'm sure the BigXII is an option for Rice or UH, that conference doesn't really need another Texas-based school.

Well, I was thinking only in terms of P5 options, but you might be right about the American. Funny how just a few years ago when all the sandwhich boarding happened and other schools fled, many, including myslef, did not think the AAC would be much better than CUSA for Rice. But the thing is, nothing is static. The landscape is always evolving, even when it seems things are quiet. Right now, AAC would be far better for Rice than CUSA, but of course, we'd have to be willing to pay an exit fee. There's that spending money to buyout past decisions thing again. That seems to be our Achilles' heel (or hell) at Rice.

We are so unwilling to spend some to get to a better position. Then, when we have to spend more as a result of not spending more when we have an opportunity, we find ourselves having to spend more just to stay where we were and not moving ahead even so or worse, falling further behind. You'd think leaders and boosters of a school with Rice's intelligence would be able to see this. They do seem to at many other schools. But it does not seem so at Rice. They want to use other people's money to solve their problem if money has to be spent. Where have we seen that mentality fail before? Maybe now it makes a bit more sense.

I believe money has to be spent for Rice to improve. Big money. More money than from just a few well-heeled boosters who don't seem to be coming out of the woodwork to support the current product and football coach they see, no matter how many crying players shed their tears. University money needs to be invested in this. The university has to fundamentally change its attitude towards athletics spending by a couple of orders of magnitude or it likely cannot be successful. Owl69 says if you don't know where you're going, any path will get you there. Rice is afraid to commit to excellence in Div I athletics, especially football, then fine. Drop it all now. No sense in spending anything at this level if we don't intend to do what it takes. We are effectively already in the Div I-AA or Div II place that McKinsey study said was pointless for Rice. We have been for a few years now.

This makes no sense. And it is needlessly divisive. I don't like watching my school twist in the wind with half-measures. No booster will have/spend enough, but Rice itself can. They are smart enough to find an accounting reason that will satisfy the number-crunchers. There's just no will to change. Just tell us Rice has no intention of doing what it takes. All this rhetoric without fundamental change in action and spending is seemingly pointless. You can't climb the mountain if you are not taking steps and leaps up while the mountain grows taller beneath your very feet. Do or do not, there is no try--Yoda.
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What has happened since the McKinsey study is that the G5s are being shoved aside to a greater extent by the P5s so that G5 is getting to be not much better than FCS.
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