MC may be a good coach but, he is going to fall into a fate of mediocrity... he doesn't have the experience of coaches who move to different conferences... Gary Pinkel scored sort of greatness at Mizzou... though I believe he is a GREAT coach!! beckam is now fired... if MC can't win against NIU and WMU... he is going to suffer in his career... he should have stayed a couple more years to win... I wish him well... this is a BAD career choice!!!

(11-30-2015 02:00 AM)KingBob Wrote:  MC may be a good coach but, he is going to fall into a fate of mediocrity... he doesn't have the experience of coaches who move to different conferences... Gary Pinkel scored sort of greatness at Mizzou... though I believe he is a GREAT coach!! beckam is now fired... if MC can't win against NIU and WMU... he is going to suffer in his career... he should have stayed a couple more years to win... I wish him well... this is a BAD career choice!!!

MC... your best bet is getting a job at a secondary announcing job once you fail at IS... dumbazz

Barring a morals or other institutional problem, he has at least 4 more guaranteed years to gain experience before he has to worry about getting a new position if things do not go well. AND he doesn't seem the guy to produce players or staff that will result in morals or institutional problems.

He'll be fine. Someone pointed out, he had a better chance at a New Year's bowl at UT than at ISU an I agree with that. But he has a better chance at retirement money after two years at ISU than at Toledo.


I hope he respects that Toledo/O'Brian accelerated his career five years at least. He'd still be a coordinator somewhere if Toledo hadn't given him a chance. He'd be poorer if UT hadn't dug as deep as they were capable and I hope he understands that what he was being paid, is difficult for a place like Toledo. I'm fine that he left, hope he's where he wants to be but I don't respect either the method of the ISU AD or of Coach in how, particularly WHEN they did this.

(11-30-2015 09:09 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Barring a morals or other institutional problem, he has at least 4 more guaranteed years to gain experience before he has to worry about getting a new position if things do not go well. AND he doesn't seem the guy to produce players or staff that will result in morals or institutional problems.

He'll be fine. Someone pointed out, he had a better chance at a New Year's bowl at UT than at ISU an I agree with that. But he has a better chance at retirement money after two years at ISU than at Toledo.


I hope he respects that Toledo/O'Brian accelerated his career five years at least. He'd still be a coordinator somewhere if Toledo hadn't given him a chance. He'd be poorer if UT hadn't dug as deep as they were capable and I hope he understands that what he was being paid, is difficult for a place like Toledo. I'm fine that he left, hope he's where he wants to be but I don't respect either the method of the ISU AD or of Coach in how, particularly WHEN they did this.

Agree 100%. Went to Ames once with the Jambulance Crew and it was a blast, great tailgating, great atmosphere, great fans as many others who have been can attest. Much like Boise, Ames is pretty isolated and they support their team. As many have pointed out Toledo lies within what must be the most saturated college football footprint in America. We'll be hard-pressed to ever garner that kind of local support. Hard to accept sometimes, but it is what it is I suppose.

(11-30-2015 02:00 AM)KingBob Wrote:  MC may be a good coach but, he is going to fall into a fate of mediocrity... he doesn't have the experience of coaches who move to different conferences... Gary Pinkel scored sort of greatness at Mizzou... though I believe he is a GREAT coach!! beckam is now fired... if MC can't win against NIU and WMU... he is going to suffer in his career... he should have stayed a couple more years to win... I wish him well... this is a BAD career choice!!!

12M over 6 years is never a bad career choice.

(11-30-2015 09:20 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 09:09 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Barring a morals or other institutional problem, he has at least 4 more guaranteed years to gain experience before he has to worry about getting a new position if things do not go well. AND he doesn't seem the guy to produce players or staff that will result in morals or institutional problems.

He'll be fine. Someone pointed out, he had a better chance at a New Year's bowl at UT than at ISU an I agree with that. But he has a better chance at retirement money after two years at ISU than at Toledo.


I hope he respects that Toledo/O'Brian accelerated his career five years at least. He'd still be a coordinator somewhere if Toledo hadn't given him a chance. He'd be poorer if UT hadn't dug as deep as they were capable and I hope he understands that what he was being paid, is difficult for a place like Toledo. I'm fine that he left, hope he's where he wants to be but I don't respect either the method of the ISU AD or of Coach in how, particularly WHEN they did this.

Agree 100%. Went to Ames once with the Jambulance Crew and it was a blast, great tailgating, great atmosphere, great fans as many others who have been can attest. Much like Boise, Ames is pretty isolated and they support their team. As many have pointed out Toledo lies within what must be the most saturated college football footprint in America. We'll be hard-pressed to ever garner that kind of local support. Hard to accept sometimes, but it is what it is I suppose.

I think for Toledo to gain local support it needs to get out of the MAC. There is too much media negativity surrounding the MAC. I laugh every time I hear a MAC player that is drafted high in the NFL draft get criticized for the competition they played against, there is never comments about the ELITE players in the NFL that are from the MAC. Big Ben, Antonio Brown, K. Mack... etc. Not too mention the multitude of successful NFL players . You don't hear that same negativity for a player coming out of CUSA or AAC player. If we get in one of these conferences, I think it will improve recruiting and improve our national brand. I know many will say, if we can't win the MACC, why would we be successful in another conference. I think Temple has proven that it can be done. Central Florida also has had some very good years since leaving the MAC. Both have done better then when they were in the MAC. Both were bottom feeders for the most part when they were in the MAC. We need to be competing for recruits against Cinci, Louisville, Kentucky, Pitt, not WMU, CMU & BG.

(11-30-2015 09:40 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 09:20 AM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 09:09 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Barring a morals or other institutional problem, he has at least 4 more guaranteed years to gain experience before he has to worry about getting a new position if things do not go well. AND he doesn't seem the guy to produce players or staff that will result in morals or institutional problems.

He'll be fine. Someone pointed out, he had a better chance at a New Year's bowl at UT than at ISU an I agree with that. But he has a better chance at retirement money after two years at ISU than at Toledo.


I hope he respects that Toledo/O'Brian accelerated his career five years at least. He'd still be a coordinator somewhere if Toledo hadn't given him a chance. He'd be poorer if UT hadn't dug as deep as they were capable and I hope he understands that what he was being paid, is difficult for a place like Toledo. I'm fine that he left, hope he's where he wants to be but I don't respect either the method of the ISU AD or of Coach in how, particularly WHEN they did this.

Agree 100%. Went to Ames once with the Jambulance Crew and it was a blast, great tailgating, great atmosphere, great fans as many others who have been can attest. Much like Boise, Ames is pretty isolated and they support their team. As many have pointed out Toledo lies within what must be the most saturated college football footprint in America. We'll be hard-pressed to ever garner that kind of local support. Hard to accept sometimes, but it is what it is I suppose.

I think for Toledo to gain local support it needs to get out of the MAC. There is too much media negativity surrounding the MAC. I laugh every time I hear a MAC player that is drafted high in the NFL draft get criticized for the competition they played against, there is never comments about the ELITE players in the NFL that are from the MAC. Big Ben, Antonio Brown, K. Mack... etc. Not too mention the multitude of successful NFL players . You don't hear that same negativity for a player coming out of CUSA or AAC player. If we get in one of these conferences, I think it will improve recruiting and improve our national brand. I know many will say, if we can't win the MACC, why would we be successful in another conference. I think Temple has proven that it can be done. Central Florida also has had some very good years since leaving the MAC. Both have done better then when they were in the MAC. Both were bottom feeders for the most part when they were in the MAC. We need to be competing for recruits against Cinci, Louisville, Kentucky, Pitt, not WMU, CMU & BG.

Yep, agree. As T-Town points out, all we need is that invitation to move on...

Either a conference change or a coach who can get us to the MAC championship more often than once in 12 years.

I would enjoy either, frankly.

Not a football follower, except for the MAC, but during the occasional NFL games I see I hear the talking heads wax enthusiastic about the talent coming out of the MAC. Obviously, the volume doesn't match the Big Numbers or SEC but I never hear anything but praise for the talent level of the ones who make it. America loves an underdog.

(11-30-2015 12:10 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Not a football follower, except for the MAC, but during the occasional NFL games I see I hear the talking heads wax enthusiastic about the talent coming out of the MAC. Obviously, the volume doesn't match the Big Numbers or SEC but I never hear anything but praise for the talent level of the ones who make it. America loves an underdog.

Yes I agree but I've long debated against the "just-win" crowd.

Anyone making what Coach Campbell did in Toledo, in what is essentially a high profile entertainment position also has the role of leader of community and of building a real fan-base soured in loyalty, not wins.


Coaches in positions like Campbell had at UT take players to disadvantaged schools. They visit hospitals. They play a role in exposing the players to all levels of humanity and in improving the lives of the community.... That's a lot of additional work and responsibility and only for those that see that as something they want to do. His social responsibilities (and opportunities) in Ames are going to be at the lease, less emotionally tasking and probably less time-consuming.