(11-29-2015 02:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 02:24 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 02:16 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  I saw people saying they hate Monken and some even referred to him as "Monkey".

My phone auto-corrects Monken to Monkey. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

that defines why I refuse to buy a 'smart' phone....

My 'smart' phone gets 'smart' in terms of predictive text. I text something a certain amount of times and my phone will auto-correct to that, i.e., my girlfriend's name is automatically capitalized, my place of employment is spelled out when I type one letter, etc.

But, your 'smart' and my 'smart' can be very different.

Some people don't look at efficiency as smart; they don't look at it at all.

(11-29-2015 05:23 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:52 PM)Saint Greg Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:41 PM)Psychored Wrote:  

(11-29-2015 01:38 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  I was reading this board and LaTechbbb and it seems like there's a lot of hate for Monken. Why is that?

Same reason they hate Brohm! He beat their arses!!

I don't think tech fans give two craps about brohm. We have history with Monken. He's a former tech assistant. He applied for Tech's HC job three times. I want to say he got mad the job wasn't handed to him last time and withdrew his name. But I don't know why Tech fans would necessarily "hate monken"

Todd Monken was at Tech for a couple of years around 2000 and became fully aware of their program. A head coach job there would have been a step up from asst but changed his mind during last interview since Tech was belligerent now and felt their s### didnt stink so wanted no part of it.

I'm curious how you know that as fact....

having spent a little time with Todd 'da uomo a uomo', I don't see him thinking that way....I do see him turning it down if they slow played it or showed lack of faith.....one doesn't try three times just to turn it down out of spite....that doesn't make sense....and that is really what you are saying when you make that statement....

however, I don't know that.....nor have I spoken to him about that scenario....nor would I....

(11-29-2015 01:38 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  I was reading this board and LaTechbbb and it seems like there's a lot of hate for Monken. Why is that?

I don't think Tech fans think about Monken one way or the other.

A lot of Tech fans wanted Monken over Dykes as a good coach with Tech ties. Dykes resume was just more impressive at the time.

Some fans really wanted Monken at Tech, he rubs me the wrong way though and don't think his personality would have fit well.

But I don't think there's "Hate" for Monken, I don't really know of any coach that's despised by our fans. Except maybe Dykes who stocked the cupboard with JUCO's for 2 years of success, used the Houston opening to strong arm a raise during bowl prep (actually went to Houston when supposed to be practicing for Poinsettia Bowl), helped force our Admin into the bowl debacle while he was interviewing for P5 and took the first offer knowing he left the cupboard completely bare and 2012 was going to be a train wreck...

I do think Monken is doing somewhat of the same thing at USM though, he had to have a good season and stocked up on JUCO's, ya'll will likely be good next year but I can forsee him jumping ship especially if this recruiting cycle nets more JUCO stop gaps. Don't get me wrong JUCO's serve their purpose, we need one or two for our O-line, but last I counted ya'll had 25-30 JUCO's/Transfers on roster

Also, I would not say WKU "Whipped" us, you won by a field goal...

USM whipped us, with a lot of help from our inept Offense/O-line, very similar to the end of year Rice@Tech game last year, but the role of Rice was played by Tech.

Wasn't Monken the guy who used to come to our board to see who our commitments were? I like him okay. I think LSU should give him a look if he has another good year next year.

(11-30-2015 11:56 AM)Germdawg Wrote:  Some fans really wanted Monken at Tech, he rubs me the wrong way though and don't think his personality would have fit well.

But I don't think there's "Hate" for Monken, I don't really know of any coach that's despised by our fans. Except maybe Dykes who stocked the cupboard with JUCO's for 2 years of success, used the Houston opening to strong arm a raise during bowl prep (actually went to Houston when supposed to be practicing for Poinsettia Bowl), helped force our Admin into the bowl debacle while he was interviewing for P5 and took the first offer knowing he left the cupboard completely bare and 2012 was going to be a train wreck...

I do think Monken is doing somewhat of the same thing at USM though, he had to have a good season and stocked up on JUCO's, ya'll will likely be good next year but I can forsee him jumping ship especially if this recruiting cycle nets more JUCO stop gaps. Don't get me wrong JUCO's serve their purpose, we need one or two for our O-line, but last I counted ya'll had 25-30 JUCO's/Transfers on roster

Also, I would not say WKU "Whipped" us, you won by a field goal...

USM whipped us, with a lot of help from our inept Offense/O-line, very similar to the end of year Rice@Tech game last year, but the role of Rice was played by Tech.

Good post.

That number #88 was heck of a juco pick-up. Tech doesn't need to load up on juco's but some skill players like that wouldn't hurt. Pass too high - no problem I'll soar 12 ft. in the air and grab it with one hand, pass too low- no problem I 'll just kick it up and grab it.

I don't think the vast majority of Tech fans have an opinion on Monken. It definitely don't think, the ones that do hate him because of Jucos. When you go to BBB, and see folks talking about Monken it has a lot to do with the fact that:

A. He was a coach here for a few years.
B. He was a candidate for the Tech job three times. I rooted for him two of those times
C. He actually used to post on that board way back in the old days. True story
D. There is a familiarity with him and Tech combined with the fact that he coaches a heated rival.

The whole Coach Monkey thing really isn't used as a point of derision. I just think its kinda become easier to call him that than fix the auto correct on folks phone. As for the Juco thing..I don't mind have some but to use is extensively does cause harm to the overall health of your program.

The number of jucos does worry me a little bit. However, a few of those (LB Elijah Parker, LB Sherrod Ruff, and WR commit Marquez McNair) have had 3 years of eligibility when they signed. DE transfer Naim Mustafaa had 3 years of eligibility when he came on board this year. Monken is also redshirting some of the juco transfers.

Due to so many departures of players during the e12loss year and Monken's first season, we had to get some upperclassmen in that would either start or provide quality depth. We would have only had 6 scholarshipped SRS this season if not for transfers from jucos and other schools. Even with that, we still dont have a very big SR Class. Bringing in these players has also allowed Monken to redshirt some other players that were forced to play as true frosh in season's past when they weren't ready, and allowed him to redshirt all but one of this year's freshman class.

(11-30-2015 01:10 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  The number of jucos does worry me a little bit. However, a few of those (LB Elijah Parker, LB Sherrod Ruff, and WR commit Marquez McNair) have had 3 years of eligibility when they signed. DE transfer Naim Mustafaa had 3 years of eligibility when he came on board this year. Monken is also redshirting some of the juco transfers.

Due to so many departures of players during the e12loss year and Monken's first season, we had to get some upperclassmen in that would either start or provide quality depth. We would have only had 6 scholarshipped SRS this season if not for transfers from jucos and other schools. Even with that, we still dont have a very big SR Class. Bringing in these players has also allowed Monken to redshirt some other players that were forced to play as true frosh in season's past when they weren't ready, and allowed him to redshirt all but one of this year's freshman class.

This. And it was addressed by coach Monken last year. He also mentioned that short term winning would do wonders for recruiting. Can't argue with that.

(11-30-2015 01:10 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  The number of jucos does worry me a little bit. However, a few of those (LB Elijah Parker, LB Sherrod Ruff, and WR commit Marquez McNair) have had 3 years of eligibility when they signed. DE transfer Naim Mustafaa had 3 years of eligibility when he came on board this year. Monken is also redshirting some of the juco transfers.

Due to so many departures of players during the e12loss year and Monken's first season, we had to get some upperclassmen in that would either start or provide quality depth. We would have only had 6 scholarshipped SRS this season if not for transfers from jucos and other schools. Even with that, we still dont have a very big SR Class. Bringing in these players has also allowed Monken to redshirt some other players that were forced to play as true frosh in season's past when they weren't ready, and allowed him to redshirt all but one of this year's freshman class.

Regardless of if you guys recruited Juco's or not. It worked. From 0-12 to a Western Division Title in 4 years is rock solid. Some have said that Todd recruited heavily in the Juco ranks because he was SOL without major improvement this season. If that is true on not is moot. Monkey is tops in the West no matter how he "Did" it.

We got burned by the JUCO route, but I think it was more a result of a coach using us as a dirty stepping stone.

As long as Monken isn't looking to make a splash and get out, you'll be fine. Good win last week.

(11-30-2015 01:42 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 01:10 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  The number of jucos does worry me a little bit. However, a few of those (LB Elijah Parker, LB Sherrod Ruff, and WR commit Marquez McNair) have had 3 years of eligibility when they signed. DE transfer Naim Mustafaa had 3 years of eligibility when he came on board this year. Monken is also redshirting some of the juco transfers.

Due to so many departures of players during the e12loss year and Monken's first season, we had to get some upperclassmen in that would either start or provide quality depth. We would have only had 6 scholarshipped SRS this season if not for transfers from jucos and other schools. Even with that, we still dont have a very big SR Class. Bringing in these players has also allowed Monken to redshirt some other players that were forced to play as true frosh in season's past when they weren't ready, and allowed him to redshirt all but one of this year's freshman class.

This. And it was addressed by coach Monken last year. He also mentioned that short term winning would do wonders for recruiting. Can't argue with that.

Just a been there done that, Dykes also had slick reasons for JUCO's and the same winning helps recruiting. Now it's turned out OK in the long run because we made a good hire with Holtz.

Since ya'll are a rival in our division I hope if jumps ship this year and ya'll fall back on your face and we can repay the whooping we just endured...

(11-30-2015 02:10 PM)Germdawg Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 01:42 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 01:10 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  The number of jucos does worry me a little bit. However, a few of those (LB Elijah Parker, LB Sherrod Ruff, and WR commit Marquez McNair) have had 3 years of eligibility when they signed. DE transfer Naim Mustafaa had 3 years of eligibility when he came on board this year. Monken is also redshirting some of the juco transfers.

Due to so many departures of players during the e12loss year and Monken's first season, we had to get some upperclassmen in that would either start or provide quality depth. We would have only had 6 scholarshipped SRS this season if not for transfers from jucos and other schools. Even with that, we still dont have a very big SR Class. Bringing in these players has also allowed Monken to redshirt some other players that were forced to play as true frosh in season's past when they weren't ready, and allowed him to redshirt all but one of this year's freshman class.

This. And it was addressed by coach Monken last year. He also mentioned that short term winning would do wonders for recruiting. Can't argue with that.

Just a been there done that, Dykes also had slick reasons for JUCO's and the same winning helps recruiting. Now it's turned out OK in the long run because we made a good hire with Holtz.

Since ya'll are a rival in our division I hope if jumps ship this year and ya'll fall back on your face and we can repay the whooping we just endured...

I expect he will jump ship at some point. I hope we are able to keep him around for another year or two. I think his dismal overall record as a head coach will scare off some ADs, but Monken will be a great hire for a big $$ program one day.

(11-30-2015 02:12 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 02:10 PM)Germdawg Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 01:42 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 01:10 PM)Eagleholic Wrote:  The number of jucos does worry me a little bit. However, a few of those (LB Elijah Parker, LB Sherrod Ruff, and WR commit Marquez McNair) have had 3 years of eligibility when they signed. DE transfer Naim Mustafaa had 3 years of eligibility when he came on board this year. Monken is also redshirting some of the juco transfers.

Due to so many departures of players during the e12loss year and Monken's first season, we had to get some upperclassmen in that would either start or provide quality depth. We would have only had 6 scholarshipped SRS this season if not for transfers from jucos and other schools. Even with that, we still dont have a very big SR Class. Bringing in these players has also allowed Monken to redshirt some other players that were forced to play as true frosh in season's past when they weren't ready, and allowed him to redshirt all but one of this year's freshman class.

This. And it was addressed by coach Monken last year. He also mentioned that short term winning would do wonders for recruiting. Can't argue with that.

Just a been there done that, Dykes also had slick reasons for JUCO's and the same winning helps recruiting. Now it's turned out OK in the long run because we made a good hire with Holtz.

Since ya'll are a rival in our division I hope if jumps ship this year and ya'll fall back on your face and we can repay the whooping we just endured...

I expect he will jump ship at some point. I hope we are able to keep him around for another year or two. I think his dismal overall record as a head coach will scare off some ADs, but Monken will be a great hire for a big $$ program one day.

There are so many vacancies out there right now, I don't think anyone's coach is safe. I remember when Dooley got hired by Tenn. it was because of similar conditions. Dooley was hired after a 4-8 season. I would like to continue to see Skip and Monkey roaming the sidelines after thanksgiving for a couple more years before either moves on.

(11-30-2015 12:42 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think the vast majority of Tech fans have an opinion on Monken. It definitely don't think, the ones that do hate him because of Jucos. When you go to BBB, and see folks talking about Monken it has a lot to do with the fact that:

A. He was a coach here for a few years.
B. He was a candidate for the Tech job three times. I rooted for him two of those times
C. He actually used to post on that board way back in the old days. True story
D. There is a familiarity with him and Tech combined with the fact that he coaches a heated rival.

The whole Coach Monkey thing really isn't used as a point of derision. I just think its kinda become easier to call him that than fix the auto correct on folks phone. As for the Juco thing..I don't mind have some but to use is extensively does cause harm to the overall health of your program.

I'll respectfully disagree with the juco strategy.....whoever we end up hiring will have to do the same

however, to him posting on a bbs.......that's one I'm going to give him shite next time I see him.....he knows I'm stinkfist

us midwestern folk....we are an interesting lot at times

(11-30-2015 04:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 12:42 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think the vast majority of Tech fans have an opinion on Monken. It definitely don't think, the ones that do hate him because of Jucos. When you go to BBB, and see folks talking about Monken it has a lot to do with the fact that:

A. He was a coach here for a few years.
B. He was a candidate for the Tech job three times. I rooted for him two of those times
C. He actually used to post on that board way back in the old days. True story
D. There is a familiarity with him and Tech combined with the fact that he coaches a heated rival.

The whole Coach Monkey thing really isn't used as a point of derision. I just think its kinda become easier to call him that than fix the auto correct on folks phone. As for the Juco thing..I don't mind have some but to use is extensively does cause harm to the overall health of your program.

I'll respectfully disagree with the juco strategy.....whoever we end up hiring will have to do the same

however, to him posting on a bbs.......that's one I'm going to give him shite next time I see him.....he knows I'm stinkfist

us midwestern folk....we are an interesting lot at times

Dykes did it to us and moved on. We lost 30 something seniors at the end of 2012. I don't know if he continues to do it at Cal but he sure did it here. K-state has been doing it for decades but they have a feeder system in place in the state of Kansas that us second to none and Jackie Sherrell did it as State for a long time.

The story goes that when he was a WR coach at Tech he would post some anonymously. It was a few years before my time, but some of the old timers swear it happened

I knew Todd when I worked in the athletic department at Tech and I think the world of him. He is just a good guy in my opinion. And I would not have complained if we had hired him when we had the chance.

I think USM fans are a little too sensitive about not getting your due respect from Tech fans with the JUCO remarks. Half the fans will say "You won because of ...". The other half will say "We lost because of ...". Does it really matter what we think? You won. You have the smack advantage of "Scoreboard" until next year. Congrats. You have a good team.

Regarding the JUCO issue, I'm sure Todd did what he had to do to have success fast. And it worked. We had the same experience but it went south on us so we have a bad experience with that path. Perhaps you will not. I don't think there is a way to avoid JUCO's but it does have to be managed. But you needed to win first so certainly understand it. I'm sure Todd's plan will be to use the success to recruit better high schoolers and slowly ween off the heavy JUCO route. There's possible perils along that path but there are perils on every path.

Glad your program is back up and running and hope you finish second in the West Division next year behind us.

(11-30-2015 05:14 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 12:42 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think the vast majority of Tech fans have an opinion on Monken. It definitely don't think, the ones that do hate him because of Jucos. When you go to BBB, and see folks talking about Monken it has a lot to do with the fact that:

A. He was a coach here for a few years.
B. He was a candidate for the Tech job three times. I rooted for him two of those times
C. He actually used to post on that board way back in the old days. True story
D. There is a familiarity with him and Tech combined with the fact that he coaches a heated rival.

The whole Coach Monkey thing really isn't used as a point of derision. I just think its kinda become easier to call him that than fix the auto correct on folks phone. As for the Juco thing..I don't mind have some but to use is extensively does cause harm to the overall health of your program.

I'll respectfully disagree with the juco strategy.....whoever we end up hiring will have to do the same

however, to him posting on a bbs.......that's one I'm going to give him shite next time I see him.....he knows I'm stinkfist

us midwestern folk....we are an interesting lot at times

Dykes did it to us and moved on. We lost 30 something seniors at the end of 2012. I don't know if he continues to do it at Cal but he sure did it here. K-state has been doing it for decades but they have a feeder system in place in the state of Kansas that us second to none and Jackie Sherrell did it as State for a long time.

The story goes that when he was a WR coach at Tech he would post some anonymously. It was a few years before my time, but some of the old timers swear it happened

just know there is a story behind this that I am unwilling to post.......

if you show up next year in the 'burg, I'll tell it to ya....

again, it's what us midwestern boys do.....we don't back down.....

and I've been here for 41 yrs now.....us southern folk have refined it.....

(11-30-2015 05:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 05:14 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 12:42 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  I don't think the vast majority of Tech fans have an opinion on Monken. It definitely don't think, the ones that do hate him because of Jucos. When you go to BBB, and see folks talking about Monken it has a lot to do with the fact that:

A. He was a coach here for a few years.
B. He was a candidate for the Tech job three times. I rooted for him two of those times
C. He actually used to post on that board way back in the old days. True story
D. There is a familiarity with him and Tech combined with the fact that he coaches a heated rival.

The whole Coach Monkey thing really isn't used as a point of derision. I just think its kinda become easier to call him that than fix the auto correct on folks phone. As for the Juco thing..I don't mind have some but to use is extensively does cause harm to the overall health of your program.

I'll respectfully disagree with the juco strategy.....whoever we end up hiring will have to do the same

however, to him posting on a bbs.......that's one I'm going to give him shite next time I see him.....he knows I'm stinkfist

us midwestern folk....we are an interesting lot at times

Dykes did it to us and moved on. We lost 30 something seniors at the end of 2012. I don't know if he continues to do it at Cal but he sure did it here. K-state has been doing it for decades but they have a feeder system in place in the state of Kansas that us second to none and Jackie Sherrell did it as State for a long time.

The story goes that when he was a WR coach at Tech he would post some anonymously. It was a few years before my time, but some of the old timers swear it happened

just know there is a story behind this that I am unwilling to post.......

if you show up next year in the 'burg, I'll tell it to ya....

again, it's what us midwestern boys do.....we don't back down.....

and I've been here for 41 yrs now.....us southern folk have refined it.....

I will hold you to it. Better bring some PBR when I come down.