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RE: Richt Fired At Georgia.
(12-02-2015 07:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 03:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 08:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-30-2015 06:48 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Miami job is fools gold. Butch Jones would be the most likely to resurrect that program. Heck, moving into David Beckham's proposed smaller soccer stadium would help out a lot.

It'll be interesting who Georgia goes after.

Well Georgia went after the "safe" choice. But there may be life in Miami yet.
Richt, Mullen, Gundy, Schiano, Davis all have shown interest and why not. For anyone to be plunked down in the an area of the richest recruiting talent in the country automatically gives any coach a chance to be great.
The right coach and a few smart moves (including physical location) could put Miami back into the national spotlight.

Not a bad list of candidates for a school who's "gig has been up for 20 years" & a job that is "fools gold".

The proof will be four years out when the pudding is baked. Golden wasn't a bad coach either.

Looking at what Scott did with the same players I beg to differ. Richt is the new coach at Miami, just announced.

I know. I posted it on the ACC board almost half an hour ago. Still it's a big wait and see just how he can do there. If somebody like Richt can't get the job done there I don't want to hear any more about the U is back. We'll see. Still I'm surprised he took the job unless....
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Richt Fired At Georgia.
(12-02-2015 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
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(12-02-2015 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 03:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 08:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  Well Georgia went after the "safe" choice. But there may be life in Miami yet.
Richt, Mullen, Gundy, Schiano, Davis all have shown interest and why not. For anyone to be plunked down in the an area of the richest recruiting talent in the country automatically gives any coach a chance to be great.
The right coach and a few smart moves (including physical location) could put Miami back into the national spotlight.

Not a bad list of candidates for a school who's "gig has been up for 20 years" & a job that is "fools gold".

The proof will be four years out when the pudding is baked. Golden wasn't a bad coach either.

Looking at what Scott did with the same players I beg to differ. Richt is the new coach at Miami, just announced.

I know. I posted it on the ACC board almost half an hour ago. Still it's a big wait and see just how he can do there. If somebody like Richt can't get the job done there I don't want to hear any more about the U is back. We'll see. Still I'm surprised he took the job unless....

We'll see how it works out, but Richt had several options on schools that wanted his services - Miami, Missouri, Maryland, UVa to name a few. One article stated that Miami had more money to pay him and assistants than originally thought. It's a great get for Miami. It would be nice to see them and VT step it up a bit.
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RE: Richt Fired At Georgia.
(12-03-2015 06:55 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 07:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 03:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Not a bad list of candidates for a school who's "gig has been up for 20 years" & a job that is "fools gold".

The proof will be four years out when the pudding is baked. Golden wasn't a bad coach either.

Looking at what Scott did with the same players I beg to differ. Richt is the new coach at Miami, just announced.

I know. I posted it on the ACC board almost half an hour ago. Still it's a big wait and see just how he can do there. If somebody like Richt can't get the job done there I don't want to hear any more about the U is back. We'll see. Still I'm surprised he took the job unless....

We'll see how it works out, but Richt had several options on schools that wanted his services - Miami, Missouri, Maryland, UVa to name a few. One article stated that Miami had more money to pay him and assistants than originally thought. It's a great get for Miami. It would be nice to see them and VT step it up a bit.

I think that when you look at that options his choice is not that surprising. Richt has 10 years left before people start asking him every year, "Is this your last year?"

Missouri: He would have been a great fit and could have recruited familiar grounds. The question is just how charged is the situation at Missouri following the issues of these past few months? Maybe after the constant pressure at Georgia he simply didn't feel the energy to tackle the problems at Mizzou?


South Carolina: A program with unrealistic expectations, the immediate need to win, but with familiar recruiting grounds. In other words deja vu of the Georgia experience.

Maryland: Totally out of his familiar areas and away from all of his connections.

Virginia: The absolute right environment for a coach like Richt but still well beyond his well established recruiting grounds of Florida and Georgia, and out of his sphere of connections for the most part.

Miami: Alma Mater. Strong presence in his natural recruiting area. Upward potential and some time to build the program. If things don't go well this will be either his last coaching job, or the next to last one.

So when you analyze the options that we know about his choice does make some sense.

But, none of these reasons have much to do with the viability of Miami. There are too many changing factors in that region to guarantee success for any coach.
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RE: Richt Fired At Georgia.
Well, let's see thus far:
Miami hires an alum that has a career 70%+ winning percentage after being fired from a SEC school who just wanted to win championships.
Virginia Tech hires an up and coming "rocket" who was one of the two darlings of the coaching world this year.
UVa......still looking.
Georgia hires an alum, a career assistant to the best college coach in the game today.
Missouri.....still looking.
South Carolina....huge jump on the rest of the field.....still looking.
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RE: Richt Fired At Georgia.
(12-03-2015 08:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  Well, let's see thus far:
Miami hires an alum that has a career 70%+ winning percentage after being fired from a SEC school who just wanted to win championships.
Virginia Tech hires an up and coming "rocket" who was one of the two darlings of the coaching world this year.
UVa......still looking.
Georgia hires an alum, a career assistant to the best college coach in the game today.
Missouri.....still looking.
South Carolina....huge jump on the rest of the field.....still looking.

Virginia Tech hired a guy who agreed to keep Beamers kid on board. End of that story.
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RE: Richt Fired At Georgia.
(12-03-2015 07:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 06:55 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 07:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The proof will be four years out when the pudding is baked. Golden wasn't a bad coach either.

Looking at what Scott did with the same players I beg to differ. Richt is the new coach at Miami, just announced.

I know. I posted it on the ACC board almost half an hour ago. Still it's a big wait and see just how he can do there. If somebody like Richt can't get the job done there I don't want to hear any more about the U is back. We'll see. Still I'm surprised he took the job unless....

We'll see how it works out, but Richt had several options on schools that wanted his services - Miami, Missouri, Maryland, UVa to name a few. One article stated that Miami had more money to pay him and assistants than originally thought. It's a great get for Miami. It would be nice to see them and VT step it up a bit.

I think that when you look at that options his choice is not that surprising. Richt has 10 years left before people start asking him every year, "Is this your last year?"

Missouri: He would have been a great fit and could have recruited familiar grounds. The question is just how charged is the situation at Missouri following the issues of these past few months? Maybe after the constant pressure at Georgia he simply didn't feel the energy to tackle the problems at Mizzou?


South Carolina: A program with unrealistic expectations, the immediate need to win, but with familiar recruiting grounds. In other words deja vu of the Georgia experience.

Maryland: Totally out of his familiar areas and away from all of his connections.

Virginia: The absolute right environment for a coach like Richt but still well beyond his well established recruiting grounds of Florida and Georgia, and out of his sphere of connections for the most part.

Miami: Alma Mater. Strong presence in his natural recruiting area. Upward potential and some time to build the program. If things don't go well this will be either his last coaching job, or the next to last one.

So when you analyze the options that we know about his choice does make some sense.

But, none of these reasons have much to do with the viability of Miami. There are too many changing factors in that region to guarantee success for any coach.

put me down as a glass is half full on this hire. if cutcliffe can field a decent team at Duke, then it stands to reason that Richt can do well at Miami. It's probably fair to say they substantially upgraded their coaching situation. whether the peripherals permit sustained success is what we'll all have fun watching.

I still think USCjr has a low ceiling and the fact that they are still looking for a coach bears that out, at least in perception. Lincoln Riley looks to be a rising star, but 32 is awfully young to be a HC. Muschamp did not do well at Florida, but will he do better at a much more difficult place to win? He's not a Hall of Fame coach like Spurrier yet. Ok, I admit it! I enjoy watching them flounder. So shoot me 03-wink
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RE: Richt Fired At Georgia.
(12-03-2015 09:31 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 07:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 06:55 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 07:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-02-2015 07:02 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Looking at what Scott did with the same players I beg to differ. Richt is the new coach at Miami, just announced.

I know. I posted it on the ACC board almost half an hour ago. Still it's a big wait and see just how he can do there. If somebody like Richt can't get the job done there I don't want to hear any more about the U is back. We'll see. Still I'm surprised he took the job unless....

We'll see how it works out, but Richt had several options on schools that wanted his services - Miami, Missouri, Maryland, UVa to name a few. One article stated that Miami had more money to pay him and assistants than originally thought. It's a great get for Miami. It would be nice to see them and VT step it up a bit.

I think that when you look at that options his choice is not that surprising. Richt has 10 years left before people start asking him every year, "Is this your last year?"

Missouri: He would have been a great fit and could have recruited familiar grounds. The question is just how charged is the situation at Missouri following the issues of these past few months? Maybe after the constant pressure at Georgia he simply didn't feel the energy to tackle the problems at Mizzou?


South Carolina: A program with unrealistic expectations, the immediate need to win, but with familiar recruiting grounds. In other words deja vu of the Georgia experience.

Maryland: Totally out of his familiar areas and away from all of his connections.

Virginia: The absolute right environment for a coach like Richt but still well beyond his well established recruiting grounds of Florida and Georgia, and out of his sphere of connections for the most part.

Miami: Alma Mater. Strong presence in his natural recruiting area. Upward potential and some time to build the program. If things don't go well this will be either his last coaching job, or the next to last one.

So when you analyze the options that we know about his choice does make some sense.

But, none of these reasons have much to do with the viability of Miami. There are too many changing factors in that region to guarantee success for any coach.

put me down as a glass is half full on this hire. if cutcliffe can field a decent team at Duke, then it stands to reason that Richt can do well at Miami. It's probably fair to say they substantially upgraded their coaching situation. whether the peripherals permit sustained success is what we'll all have fun watching.

I still think USCjr has a low ceiling and the fact that they are still looking for a coach bears that out, at least in perception. Lincoln Riley looks to be a rising star, but 32 is awfully young to be a HC. Muschamp did not do well at Florida, but will he do better at a much more difficult place to win? He's not a Hall of Fame coach like Spurrier yet. Ok, I admit it! I enjoy watching them flounder. So shoot me 03-wink

In order to be successful in any endeavor in life you first must have control over yourself. Undisciplined people, no matter how innovative, tend to get in their own way when pursuing success. To be disciplined one must have self awareness and enough intelligence to understand the need to try different things when stymied.

I say all of that to add this. Muschamp is not self disciplined. Therefore I doubt profoundly his ability to lead at any level. Can he jazz up the sideline and try to inspire for the moment? Absolutely. Is he the meticulous planner and keenly intuitive person you need to assemble and direct a group of talented assistants? I profoundly doubt that as well. Reactive people can be intuitive, but that is the exception to the rule. I think Muschamp Peter Principled at DC. Someone has to control and manage him to make him productive.

He was a bad hire at Florida for the position of HC and he will be anywhere he goes.

Now as far as your total disdain for your in state rival, I never fault a person for being sincere. JR
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I hope that Richt does well at Miami, but JR, your words of warnings are discouraging and I haven't heard you be wrong yet.
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(12-03-2015 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I hope that Richt does well at Miami, but JR, your words of warnings are discouraging and I haven't heard you be wrong yet.

Richt's obstacles will be an environment that is not supported locally by throngs of enraptured fans. It will be overcoming the thug persona. And it will be in trying to compete against Florida and Florida State who have a much more exciting and energized venue.

My words above were about Muschamp. I think Richt is a fine guy. But I also think because football is not his God that pagan fans who only think they are Christian claim that he lacks passion for the game. He doesn't. He just sees it as another mission field. What he needs to be careful of is casting his pearls before swineskin.
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(12-03-2015 10:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I hope that Richt does well at Miami, but JR, your words of warnings are discouraging and I haven't heard you be wrong yet.

Richt's obstacles will be an environment that is not supported locally by throngs of enraptured fans. It will be overcoming the thug persona. And it will be in trying to compete against Florida and Florida State who have a much more exciting and energized venue.

My words above were about Muschamp. I think Richt is a fine guy. But I also think because football is not his God that pagan fans who only think they are Christian claim that he lacks passion for the game. He doesn't. He just sees it as another mission field. What he needs to be careful of is casting his pearls before swineskin.

I think the issue for the Richt at Miami is that what 'da U' alums want is diametrically opposed to the directions the administration wants to head. The FB program was a vehicle to get a small private university into a respected conference. That mission is a success, thus the brass, audacious FB program is no longer needed. Golden going 7-5 and 8-4 is where Miami is going to live IMO. Richt's lone hook is that he runs a pro-style offense. But if he can't get the QB needed to run it I don't think he does any better than Golden.
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(12-07-2015 10:35 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 10:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-03-2015 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I hope that Richt does well at Miami, but JR, your words of warnings are discouraging and I haven't heard you be wrong yet.

Richt's obstacles will be an environment that is not supported locally by throngs of enraptured fans. It will be overcoming the thug persona. And it will be in trying to compete against Florida and Florida State who have a much more exciting and energized venue.

My words above were about Muschamp. I think Richt is a fine guy. But I also think because football is not his God that pagan fans who only think they are Christian claim that he lacks passion for the game. He doesn't. He just sees it as another mission field. What he needs to be careful of is casting his pearls before swineskin.

I think the issue for the Richt at Miami is that what 'da U' alums want is diametrically opposed to the directions the administration wants to head. The FB program was a vehicle to get a small private university into a respected conference. That mission is a success, thus the brass, audacious FB program is no longer needed. Golden going 7-5 and 8-4 is where Miami is going to live IMO. Richt's lone hook is that he runs a pro-style offense. But if he can't get the QB needed to run it I don't think he does any better than Golden.

I think he's going to find that he has a much harder time relating to South Florida than he did 30 years ago. I think if he does as well as Golden he'll be lucky.
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