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SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
"There are many people who believe they know how Notre Dame should run its football program. They are the people screaming from inside the wormhole of circular arguments and mind-bending logic created when a one-loss team chases a championship. Surprisingly, there are people actually paid to run Notre Dame’s football program, and they have some very clear ideas of how that program fits into the current structure for College Football Playoff participation. And, as it happens, they think it fits just fine.
They think a four-team playoff is fine. They think playing 12 games, when the schedule is designed the way Notre Dame aims to design it, is fine. They especially think not being in a conference is fine. They think it’s fine to set up a dozen solid games and try to win 11 or 12 of them and see what a committee of people thinks about that. And it is hard to argue against this plan. Because the margin between the plan working perfectly and not at all was two points at Clemson and two points at Stanford. It’s probably easier, in fact, to contend that this season demonstrated just how effectual the plan is.
Jack Swarbrick, one of those people actually in charge of the program, tends to think of it that way. “ I know there have been some people who have speculated that this is creating pressure on us to give up independence,” the Notre Dame athletic director told Sports Illustrated as he stood on the sideline before Saturday’s game. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. We are as comfortable with the benefits for the university of independence as we have ever been.”
http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...f-stanford
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
I never knew that Swarbrick read my work on this forum. Thanks for posting that and letting me know that he does Terry.
P.S. I'm literally drinking a cup of coffee while reading that. JS
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
I think for Notre Dame- they should be HUGE Ohio St fans...
look at the selection criteria:
The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
I think the best move for ND would be to try to get into the ACC title game while only playing 5 or at most 6 ACC games post deregulation. Maybe the ACC expands to 16 with cincy and divides into 3 pods of 5. ND plays a 2-2-2 format with the ACC title game being the 2 highest rated teams with ND in the pool.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote: "There are many people who believe they know how Notre Dame should run its football program. They are the people screaming from inside the wormhole of circular arguments and mind-bending logic created when a one-loss team chases a championship. Surprisingly, there are people actually paid to run Notre Dame’s football program, and they have some very clear ideas of how that program fits into the current structure for College Football Playoff participation. And, as it happens, they think it fits just fine.
They think a four-team playoff is fine. They think playing 12 games, when the schedule is designed the way Notre Dame aims to design it, is fine. They especially think not being in a conference is fine. They think it’s fine to set up a dozen solid games and try to win 11 or 12 of them and see what a committee of people thinks about that. And it is hard to argue against this plan. Because the margin between the plan working perfectly and not at all was two points at Clemson and two points at Stanford. It’s probably easier, in fact, to contend that this season demonstrated just how effectual the plan is.
Jack Swarbrick, one of those people actually in charge of the program, tends to think of it that way. “I know there have been some people who have speculated that this is creating pressure on us to give up independence,” the Notre Dame athletic director told Sports Illustrated as he stood on the sideline before Saturday’s game. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. We are as comfortable with the benefits for the university of independence as we have ever been.”
http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...f-stanford
First, I believe you Terry D.
Second, Since that position is true why even have the article?
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
The current playoff selection process would seem to be fine for ND. If the CFP went to 8 schools with 5 autobids to the P5 conferences, though, there would a tremendous advantage to being in one of those conferences.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 10:31 AM)orangefan Wrote: The current playoff selection process would seem to be fine for ND. If the CFP went to 8 schools with 5 autobids to the P5 conferences, though, there would a tremendous advantage to being in one of those conferences.
I don't know. I mean, if you have to clearly be one of the top 4 teams- unequivocally- that's a real high standard. Pretty much their standard is the exact same as Ohio St.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 10:27 AM)JRsec Wrote: (11-29-2015 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote: "There are many people who believe they know how Notre Dame should run its football program. They are the people screaming from inside the wormhole of circular arguments and mind-bending logic created when a one-loss team chases a championship. Surprisingly, there are people actually paid to run Notre Dame’s football program, and they have some very clear ideas of how that program fits into the current structure for College Football Playoff participation. And, as it happens, they think it fits just fine.
They think a four-team playoff is fine. They think playing 12 games, when the schedule is designed the way Notre Dame aims to design it, is fine. They especially think not being in a conference is fine. They think it’s fine to set up a dozen solid games and try to win 11 or 12 of them and see what a committee of people thinks about that. And it is hard to argue against this plan. Because the margin between the plan working perfectly and not at all was two points at Clemson and two points at Stanford. It’s probably easier, in fact, to contend that this season demonstrated just how effectual the plan is.
Jack Swarbrick, one of those people actually in charge of the program, tends to think of it that way. “I know there have been some people who have speculated that this is creating pressure on us to give up independence,” the Notre Dame athletic director told Sports Illustrated as he stood on the sideline before Saturday’s game. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. We are as comfortable with the benefits for the university of independence as we have ever been.”
http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...f-stanford
First, I believe you Terry D.
Second, Since that position is true why even have the article?
Because SI needs articles?
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote: "There are many people who believe they know how Notre Dame should run its football program. They are the people screaming from inside the wormhole of circular arguments and mind-bending logic created when a one-loss team chases a championship. Surprisingly, there are people actually paid to run Notre Dame’s football program, and they have some very clear ideas of how that program fits into the current structure for College Football Playoff participation. And, as it happens, they think it fits just fine.
They think a four-team playoff is fine. They think playing 12 games, when the schedule is designed the way Notre Dame aims to design it, is fine. They especially think not being in a conference is fine. They think it’s fine to set up a dozen solid games and try to win 11 or 12 of them and see what a committee of people thinks about that. And it is hard to argue against this plan. Because the margin between the plan working perfectly and not at all was two points at Clemson and two points at Stanford. It’s probably easier, in fact, to contend that this season demonstrated just how effectual the plan is.
Jack Swarbrick, one of those people actually in charge of the program, tends to think of it that way. “I know there have been some people who have speculated that this is creating pressure on us to give up independence,” the Notre Dame athletic director told Sports Illustrated as he stood on the sideline before Saturday’s game. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. We are as comfortable with the benefits for the university of independence as we have ever been.”
http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...f-stanford
No offense to you TerryD, but what else did you expect them to say? Notre Dame is a classy institution run by classy people and those types always say the correct things because of who and what they are.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
Notre Dame is being well Notre Lame.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
Notre Dame was 5 points and a Battle of the Somme casualty list away from being in the CFP. They will be fine.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
ND is likely headed to a NYD Bowl with 2 losses...they are just fine...
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 11:13 AM)TerryD Wrote: First, I believe you Terry D.
Second, Since that position is true why even have the article?
Because SI needs articles?
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Terry needs material
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 11:51 AM)XLance Wrote: (11-29-2015 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote: "There are many people who believe they know how Notre Dame should run its football program. They are the people screaming from inside the wormhole of circular arguments and mind-bending logic created when a one-loss team chases a championship. Surprisingly, there are people actually paid to run Notre Dame’s football program, and they have some very clear ideas of how that program fits into the current structure for College Football Playoff participation. And, as it happens, they think it fits just fine.
They think a four-team playoff is fine. They think playing 12 games, when the schedule is designed the way Notre Dame aims to design it, is fine. They especially think not being in a conference is fine. They think it’s fine to set up a dozen solid games and try to win 11 or 12 of them and see what a committee of people thinks about that. And it is hard to argue against this plan. Because the margin between the plan working perfectly and not at all was two points at Clemson and two points at Stanford. It’s probably easier, in fact, to contend that this season demonstrated just how effectual the plan is.
Jack Swarbrick, one of those people actually in charge of the program, tends to think of it that way. “I know there have been some people who have speculated that this is creating pressure on us to give up independence,” the Notre Dame athletic director told Sports Illustrated as he stood on the sideline before Saturday’s game. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. We are as comfortable with the benefits for the university of independence as we have ever been.”
http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...f-stanford
No offense to you TerryD, but what else did you expect them to say? Notre Dame is a classy institution run by classy people and those types always say the correct things because of who and what they are.
I expect that it was said because it is the truth.
I think that the Swarbrick quote was to counteract all of the "ND should join a conference" BS.
Sometimes things are very simple.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 12:19 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: Notre Dame was 5 points and a Battle of the Somme casualty list away from being in the CFP. They will be fine.
Four points but you are correct.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 10:25 AM)bluesox Wrote: I think the best move for ND would be to try to get into the ACC title game while only playing 5 or at most 6 ACC games post deregulation. Maybe the ACC expands to 16 with cincy and divides into 3 pods of 5. ND plays a 2-2-2 format with the ACC title game being the 2 highest rated teams with ND in the pool.
Notre Dame lost to Clemson and barely beat Boston College and Virginia....they don't want an ACC schedule, they'd get obliterated
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 01:19 PM)EvilVodka Wrote: (11-29-2015 10:25 AM)bluesox Wrote: I think the best move for ND would be to try to get into the ACC title game while only playing 5 or at most 6 ACC games post deregulation. Maybe the ACC expands to 16 with cincy and divides into 3 pods of 5. ND plays a 2-2-2 format with the ACC title game being the 2 highest rated teams with ND in the pool.
Notre Dame lost to Clemson and barely beat Boston College and Virginia....they don't want an ACC schedule, they'd get obliterated
Yep, its 5-1 record this season against the ACC =obliterated". Got it.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 09:59 AM)TerryD Wrote: "There are many people who believe they know how Notre Dame should run its football program. They are the people screaming from inside the wormhole of circular arguments and mind-bending logic created when a one-loss team chases a championship. Surprisingly, there are people actually paid to run Notre Dame’s football program, and they have some very clear ideas of how that program fits into the current structure for College Football Playoff participation. And, as it happens, they think it fits just fine.
They think a four-team playoff is fine. They think playing 12 games, when the schedule is designed the way Notre Dame aims to design it, is fine. They especially think not being in a conference is fine. They think it’s fine to set up a dozen solid games and try to win 11 or 12 of them and see what a committee of people thinks about that. And it is hard to argue against this plan. Because the margin between the plan working perfectly and not at all was two points at Clemson and two points at Stanford. It’s probably easier, in fact, to contend that this season demonstrated just how effectual the plan is.
Jack Swarbrick, one of those people actually in charge of the program, tends to think of it that way. “I know there have been some people who have speculated that this is creating pressure on us to give up independence,” the Notre Dame athletic director told Sports Illustrated as he stood on the sideline before Saturday’s game. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. We are as comfortable with the benefits for the university of independence as we have ever been.”
http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/...f-stanford
Are you also going to tell me that water is wet, and the sun rises in the east?
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
1. Notre Dame has the freedom to play whoever it wants in 7 regular season games each season; the other 5 games are determined by the ACC. Call that "independence" if you like, but it's not the same thing as what they were doing up until very recently.
2. In most seasons, I believe we can all agree that the 4-team playoff will be restricted to teams with 1 loss (or none). It's not impossible for Notre Dame to clear that threshold, but recent history suggests its not exactly probable, either.
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RE: SI:Notre Dame happy with independent plan in playoff era
(11-29-2015 01:16 PM)TerryD Wrote: (11-29-2015 12:19 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: Notre Dame was 5 points and a Battle of the Somme casualty list away from being in the CFP. They will be fine.
Four points but you are correct.
I don't math well in the morning.
My apologizes.
I was pulling for the Irish last night. Tough defeat. Army has had several of those this year.
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