(11-30-2015 07:08 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 06:57 PM)miztigers55 Wrote:  Did we forget about South Carolina beating UNC and Auburn beating Louisville? LSU also beat Cuse to put the SEC at 4-3 against the ACC this year.
SEC East may be overhyped but let's not get ahead of ourselves

How'd the SEC do against the B1G, Big 12 and Pac12 this year?

1-0 vs B1G, 1-0 vs PAC, 0-2 vs Big 12

The ACC had a losing record against each of the other P5 except for the Big 12, which it never played. The ACC had a losing record vs the AAC as well. It was a bad regular season for the ACC. Heck, if it wasn't for UCF, the ACC would have actually been worse than the AAC.

(11-30-2015 07:08 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 06:57 PM)miztigers55 Wrote:  Did we forget about South Carolina beating UNC and Auburn beating Louisville? LSU also beat Cuse to put the SEC at 4-3 against the ACC this year.
SEC East may be overhyped but let's not get ahead of ourselves

How'd the SEC do against the B1G, Big 12 and Pac12 this year?

Not really the point of the thread, but SEC went 2-2 against them whereas the ACC went 3-5. Smaller sample size for the SEC but anyways we'll see after bowl season.

(11-30-2015 07:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:08 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 06:57 PM)miztigers55 Wrote:  Did we forget about South Carolina beating UNC and Auburn beating Louisville? LSU also beat Cuse to put the SEC at 4-3 against the ACC this year.
SEC East may be overhyped but let's not get ahead of ourselves

How'd the SEC do against the B1G, Big 12 and Pac12 this year?

1-0 vs B1G, 1-0 vs PAC, 0-2 vs Big 12

The ACC had a losing record against each of the other P5 except for the Big 12, which it never played. The ACC had a losing record vs the AAC as well. It was a bad regular season for the ACC. Heck, if it wasn't for UCF, the ACC would have actually been worse than the AAC.

You need to at least throw in Tulane, SMU & Tulsa with UCF as well.

(11-30-2015 08:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:08 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 06:57 PM)miztigers55 Wrote:  Did we forget about South Carolina beating UNC and Auburn beating Louisville? LSU also beat Cuse to put the SEC at 4-3 against the ACC this year.
SEC East may be overhyped but let's not get ahead of ourselves

How'd the SEC do against the B1G, Big 12 and Pac12 this year?

1-0 vs B1G, 1-0 vs PAC, 0-2 vs Big 12

The ACC had a losing record against each of the other P5 except for the Big 12, which it never played. The ACC had a losing record vs the AAC as well. It was a bad regular season for the ACC. Heck, if it wasn't for UCF, the ACC would have actually been worse than the AAC.

You need to at least throw in Tulane, SMU & Tulsa with UCF as well.

No seriously, if you just toss out UCF, most computers have the AAC and ACC about the same, with the slightest edge to the AAC.

The ACC was really weak this year, and UNC played just about the weakest ACC schedule a team could face. Avoided all the good teams.

(12-01-2015 09:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 08:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:08 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 06:57 PM)miztigers55 Wrote:  Did we forget about South Carolina beating UNC and Auburn beating Louisville? LSU also beat Cuse to put the SEC at 4-3 against the ACC this year.
SEC East may be overhyped but let's not get ahead of ourselves

How'd the SEC do against the B1G, Big 12 and Pac12 this year?

1-0 vs B1G, 1-0 vs PAC, 0-2 vs Big 12

The ACC had a losing record against each of the other P5 except for the Big 12, which it never played. The ACC had a losing record vs the AAC as well. It was a bad regular season for the ACC. Heck, if it wasn't for UCF, the ACC would have actually been worse than the AAC.

You need to at least throw in Tulane, SMU & Tulsa with UCF as well.

No seriously, if you just toss out UCF, most computers have the AAC and ACC about the same, with the slightest edge to the AAC.

The ACC was really weak this year, and UNC played just about the weakest ACC schedule a team could face. Avoided all the good teams.

I don't buy that. BC has a top ranked defense & yet sits near the bottom of the ACC. You're relying to much on computers & ignoring reality. Don't get me wrong, the AAC is impressive this year but they lack top 10 muscle at the top and the bottom is atrocious.

(12-01-2015 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 09:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 08:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:08 PM)Dasville Wrote:  How'd the SEC do against the B1G, Big 12 and Pac12 this year?

1-0 vs B1G, 1-0 vs PAC, 0-2 vs Big 12

The ACC had a losing record against each of the other P5 except for the Big 12, which it never played. The ACC had a losing record vs the AAC as well. It was a bad regular season for the ACC. Heck, if it wasn't for UCF, the ACC would have actually been worse than the AAC.

You need to at least throw in Tulane, SMU & Tulsa with UCF as well.

No seriously, if you just toss out UCF, most computers have the AAC and ACC about the same, with the slightest edge to the AAC.

The ACC was really weak this year, and UNC played just about the weakest ACC schedule a team could face. Avoided all the good teams.

I don't buy that. BC has a top ranked defense & yet sits near the bottom of the ACC. You're relying to much on computers & ignoring reality. Don't get me wrong, the AAC is impressive this year but they lack top 10 muscle at the top and the bottom is atrocious.

Top rated defense does not equal good team. Their offense is 3rd to last in the FBS. BC is a dumpster fire this year.

The ACC has 1 awful team and the AAC has 3. But Tulsa is at least as good as Virginia, Wake, and Syracuse. And in the middle the American is definitely stronger and proved it on the field:

East Carolina (3-5 in AAC) beat Virginia Tech (4-4 in ACC Coastal)
Cincinnati (4-4 in AAC) beat Miami (5-3 in ACC Coastal)
Houston (7-1) beat Louisville (5-3)

And at the top? Who knows - we'll see how the bowl games play out.

(12-01-2015 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 09:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 08:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 07:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  1-0 vs B1G, 1-0 vs PAC, 0-2 vs Big 12

The ACC had a losing record against each of the other P5 except for the Big 12, which it never played. The ACC had a losing record vs the AAC as well. It was a bad regular season for the ACC. Heck, if it wasn't for UCF, the ACC would have actually been worse than the AAC.

You need to at least throw in Tulane, SMU & Tulsa with UCF as well.

No seriously, if you just toss out UCF, most computers have the AAC and ACC about the same, with the slightest edge to the AAC.

The ACC was really weak this year, and UNC played just about the weakest ACC schedule a team could face. Avoided all the good teams.

I don't buy that. BC has a top ranked defense & yet sits near the bottom of the ACC. You're relying to much on computers & ignoring reality. Don't get me wrong, the AAC is impressive this year but they lack top 10 muscle at the top and the bottom is atrocious.

Top rated defense does not equal good team. Their offense is 3rd to last in the FBS. BC is a dumpster fire this year.

The ACC has 1 awful team and the AAC has 3. But Tulsa is at least as good as Virginia, Wake, and Syracuse. And in the middle the American is definitely stronger and proved it on the field:

East Carolina (3-5 in AAC) beat Virginia Tech (4-4 in ACC Coastal)
Cincinnati (4-4 in AAC) beat Miami (5-3 in ACC Coastal)
Houston (7-1) beat Louisville (5-3)

And at the top? Who knows - we'll see how the bowl games play out.

Yes, the AAC went 4-3 vs the ACC this year. There really isn't much to choose from between them.

I think Houston or Temple vs FSU in the Sugar Bowl would be a good matchup.

My take away from this troll thread is the following:

1. The SEC West is really good, Bama may be great, and the West overall is what the entire SEC used to be 4 years ago, competitive to the bottom 1/4th.

2. The SEC East is unusually weak. Tennessee is emerging but is still 1 maybe 2 years away. Florida needs a better OC and a good QB coach. (Reading this thread made me wonder just how very ugly a game between Florida and Boston College would be. I'd guess it would still be 0 - 0 into the 5th overtime.)

3. For those who wonder why Richt was fired put it this way, he had access to the best talent in the SEC, had top recruiting classes, and couldn't even win the SEC in any of the past 3 years when Georgia was expected to be the cream of that division. With Florida down, Tennessee rebuilding, Kentucky and Vanderbilt continuing to be Kentucky and Vanderbilt, and with Spurrier in decline, Mark Richt and the Georgia talent couldn't manage 1 divisional title against a solid but less athletic Missouri team, or a Florida squad with its most anemic offense ever. That is why Richt is out of a Job.

4. Kudos to an improving ACC. Florida State finally broke open a close game and dominated the 4th quarter. Louisville woke up and Kentucky left it in the locker room. And mighty Clemson barely escaped becoming the second ACC division winner to lose to South Carolina (a 3 - 9 South Carolina). Georgia was the only SEC school favored in those games and they made their win look like a loss.

5. Bowl season depends on match ups. You can have two teams with similar records catching each other while in different trends. One school may have lost 2 of the last 3 and the other could have won the last 5. I pity the folks that draw the Hogs. Ole Miss will have a chip on their shoulder this year. Alabama if they get to Oklahoma will have a score to settle. Auburn??? Who the hell knows I sure don't. Miss State may be losing a coach. L.S.U. will depend on the draw. If their OLine outsizes their opponent they will win. If not they could lose. Florida is in a tailspin, but still has a great defense. With their overall record however they will likely be matched against a more balanced opponent. Georgia won't give a damn. Tennessee will likely win.

6. The SEC is still very good. But we are down a few notches and need to quit counting our money and get back to playing better ball. Our stale coaches are leaving, but we still have a few. Face it most coaches are Boomers and they are all getting ready to retire. Coaches will be a hotter commodity than 5 star players in a few years.

7. I don't trust any poster who claims to root for the SEC and ACC equally.

That's about it.

(12-01-2015 12:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 09:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 08:55 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You need to at least throw in Tulane, SMU & Tulsa with UCF as well.

No seriously, if you just toss out UCF, most computers have the AAC and ACC about the same, with the slightest edge to the AAC.

The ACC was really weak this year, and UNC played just about the weakest ACC schedule a team could face. Avoided all the good teams.

I don't buy that. BC has a top ranked defense & yet sits near the bottom of the ACC. You're relying to much on computers & ignoring reality. Don't get me wrong, the AAC is impressive this year but they lack top 10 muscle at the top and the bottom is atrocious.

Top rated defense does not equal good team. Their offense is 3rd to last in the FBS. BC is a dumpster fire this year.

The ACC has 1 awful team and the AAC has 3. But Tulsa is at least as good as Virginia, Wake, and Syracuse. And in the middle the American is definitely stronger and proved it on the field:

East Carolina (3-5 in AAC) beat Virginia Tech (4-4 in ACC Coastal)
Cincinnati (4-4 in AAC) beat Miami (5-3 in ACC Coastal)
Houston (7-1) beat Louisville (5-3)

And at the top? Who knows - we'll see how the bowl games play out.

Yes, the AAC went 4-3 vs the ACC this year. There really isn't much to choose from between them.

I think Houston or Temple vs FSU in the Sugar Bowl would be a good matchup.

I didn't say BC was good, they don't have an offense, my point was that even the bottom teams of the ACC do something well. The top AAC teams can sleep walk through the games against the bottom teams to where you can't do that in the ACC or any other P5 conference. Syracuse gave LSU a game, would Tulane or UCF? The AAC definitely closed the gap with the P5 this year though, I hope they keep it up.

(11-28-2015 11:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 11:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  That Alabama vs Florida game is going to be ugly.

Alabama is not as good as you think they are.

Apparently, all they have to be is better than ECU, FAU and Vandy, all teams that nearly beat Florida.

Florida is not nearly as good as their record indicates.

(12-01-2015 05:47 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 09:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  No seriously, if you just toss out UCF, most computers have the AAC and ACC about the same, with the slightest edge to the AAC.

The ACC was really weak this year, and UNC played just about the weakest ACC schedule a team could face. Avoided all the good teams.

I don't buy that. BC has a top ranked defense & yet sits near the bottom of the ACC. You're relying to much on computers & ignoring reality. Don't get me wrong, the AAC is impressive this year but they lack top 10 muscle at the top and the bottom is atrocious.

Top rated defense does not equal good team. Their offense is 3rd to last in the FBS. BC is a dumpster fire this year.

The ACC has 1 awful team and the AAC has 3. But Tulsa is at least as good as Virginia, Wake, and Syracuse. And in the middle the American is definitely stronger and proved it on the field:

East Carolina (3-5 in AAC) beat Virginia Tech (4-4 in ACC Coastal)
Cincinnati (4-4 in AAC) beat Miami (5-3 in ACC Coastal)
Houston (7-1) beat Louisville (5-3)

And at the top? Who knows - we'll see how the bowl games play out.

Yes, the AAC went 4-3 vs the ACC this year. There really isn't much to choose from between them.

I think Houston or Temple vs FSU in the Sugar Bowl would be a good matchup.

I didn't say BC was good, they don't have an offense, my point was that even the bottom teams of the ACC do something well. The top AAC teams can sleep walk through the games against the bottom teams to where you can't do that in the ACC or any other P5 conference. Syracuse gave LSU a game, would Tulane or UCF? The AAC definitely closed the gap with the P5 this year though, I hope they keep it up.

SMU gave TCU/Baylor as much of a fight....

I mean I do agree that the bottom of the AAC sucks. But that is not a fair argument.

(12-01-2015 06:02 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 05:47 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  I don't buy that. BC has a top ranked defense & yet sits near the bottom of the ACC. You're relying to much on computers & ignoring reality. Don't get me wrong, the AAC is impressive this year but they lack top 10 muscle at the top and the bottom is atrocious.

Top rated defense does not equal good team. Their offense is 3rd to last in the FBS. BC is a dumpster fire this year.

The ACC has 1 awful team and the AAC has 3. But Tulsa is at least as good as Virginia, Wake, and Syracuse. And in the middle the American is definitely stronger and proved it on the field:

East Carolina (3-5 in AAC) beat Virginia Tech (4-4 in ACC Coastal)
Cincinnati (4-4 in AAC) beat Miami (5-3 in ACC Coastal)
Houston (7-1) beat Louisville (5-3)

And at the top? Who knows - we'll see how the bowl games play out.

Yes, the AAC went 4-3 vs the ACC this year. There really isn't much to choose from between them.

I think Houston or Temple vs FSU in the Sugar Bowl would be a good matchup.

I didn't say BC was good, they don't have an offense, my point was that even the bottom teams of the ACC do something well. The top AAC teams can sleep walk through the games against the bottom teams to where you can't do that in the ACC or any other P5 conference. Syracuse gave LSU a game, would Tulane or UCF? The AAC definitely closed the gap with the P5 this year though, I hope they keep it up.

SMU gave TCU/Baylor as much of a fight....

I mean I do agree that the bottom of the AAC sucks. But that is not a fair argument.

When someone is trying to make the argument that the AAC is better than the ACC overall it is a fair argument. The bottom of the AAC weighs it down to much this season. The top of the AAC, especially Houston, is very strong.

BTW, Syracuse lost to LSU 34-24 while SMU lost to Baylor & TCU 56-21 & 56-37.

(12-01-2015 06:18 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 06:02 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 05:47 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Top rated defense does not equal good team. Their offense is 3rd to last in the FBS. BC is a dumpster fire this year.

The ACC has 1 awful team and the AAC has 3. But Tulsa is at least as good as Virginia, Wake, and Syracuse. And in the middle the American is definitely stronger and proved it on the field:

East Carolina (3-5 in AAC) beat Virginia Tech (4-4 in ACC Coastal)
Cincinnati (4-4 in AAC) beat Miami (5-3 in ACC Coastal)
Houston (7-1) beat Louisville (5-3)

And at the top? Who knows - we'll see how the bowl games play out.

Yes, the AAC went 4-3 vs the ACC this year. There really isn't much to choose from between them.

I think Houston or Temple vs FSU in the Sugar Bowl would be a good matchup.

I didn't say BC was good, they don't have an offense, my point was that even the bottom teams of the ACC do something well. The top AAC teams can sleep walk through the games against the bottom teams to where you can't do that in the ACC or any other P5 conference. Syracuse gave LSU a game, would Tulane or UCF? The AAC definitely closed the gap with the P5 this year though, I hope they keep it up.

SMU gave TCU/Baylor as much of a fight....

I mean I do agree that the bottom of the AAC sucks. But that is not a fair argument.

When someone is trying to make the argument that the AAC is better than the ACC overall it is a fair argument. The bottom of the AAC weighs it down to much this season. The top of the AAC, especially Houston, is very strong.

BTW, Syracuse lost to LSU 34-24 while SMU lost to Baylor & TCU 56-21 & 56-37.

I actually don't think you can make an argument. The ACC has three top 10 teams, one of which is the #1 team in the country and likely playoff bound. Not to mention the ACC just went 3-1 against the ACC this weekend (one a top 10 victory on the road)

Clemson>Houston
UNC>Temple
FSU>Memphis

(12-01-2015 06:18 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 06:02 PM)IAH Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 05:47 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Top rated defense does not equal good team. Their offense is 3rd to last in the FBS. BC is a dumpster fire this year.

The ACC has 1 awful team and the AAC has 3. But Tulsa is at least as good as Virginia, Wake, and Syracuse. And in the middle the American is definitely stronger and proved it on the field:

East Carolina (3-5 in AAC) beat Virginia Tech (4-4 in ACC Coastal)
Cincinnati (4-4 in AAC) beat Miami (5-3 in ACC Coastal)
Houston (7-1) beat Louisville (5-3)

And at the top? Who knows - we'll see how the bowl games play out.

Yes, the AAC went 4-3 vs the ACC this year. There really isn't much to choose from between them.

I think Houston or Temple vs FSU in the Sugar Bowl would be a good matchup.

I didn't say BC was good, they don't have an offense, my point was that even the bottom teams of the ACC do something well. The top AAC teams can sleep walk through the games against the bottom teams to where you can't do that in the ACC or any other P5 conference. Syracuse gave LSU a game, would Tulane or UCF? The AAC definitely closed the gap with the P5 this year though, I hope they keep it up.

SMU gave TCU/Baylor as much of a fight....

I mean I do agree that the bottom of the AAC sucks. But that is not a fair argument.

When someone is trying to make the argument that the AAC is better than the ACC overall it is a fair argument. The bottom of the AAC weighs it down to much this season. The top of the AAC, especially Houston, is very strong.

BTW, Syracuse lost to LSU 34-24 while SMU lost to Baylor & TCU 56-21 & 56-37.

Syracuse also lost to USF 45-24. Just saying.

There is clearly some overlap - the best 4 or 5 AAC teams are better than the worst 4 or 5 ACC teams.
Of course, that's true of AAC vs. probably ALL P5 conferences, not just the ACC (case in point: Memphis > Ole Miss)