Some thoughts

so 65 of the top 67 schools are P5 schools. Uconn and BYU are the only 2 schools in top 67 that are not P5. Wake Forest is the bottom P5 shool at #67.

a good cutout for schools that should be FBS appears to be #90, or $33M in revenue.

A good cutoff for schools that should be P5 should be #51, or $74M in revenue.

(11-27-2015 01:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  Conference average median
SEC $109.9 114.6

ACC $ 82.4 79.5

AAC $ 47.8 45.4

That's amazing ... the ACC is basically a "tweener" between the SEC and AAC. Not promising, especially since B1G revenues are soon going to go past SEC revenues.

This will give the B1G a "decided financial schematic advantage" in attempts to lure away ACC teams.

(11-27-2015 10:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 01:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  Conference average median
SEC $109.9 114.6

ACC $ 82.4 79.5

AAC $ 47.8 45.4

That's amazing ... the ACC is basically a "tweener" between the SEC and AAC. Not promising, especially since B1G revenues are soon going to go past SEC revenues.

This will give the B1G a "decided financial schematic advantage" in attempts to lure away ACC teams.

Keep reaching Quo.

(11-27-2015 11:17 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 10:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 01:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  Conference average median
SEC $109.9 114.6

ACC $ 82.4 79.5

AAC $ 47.8 45.4

That's amazing ... the ACC is basically a "tweener" between the SEC and AAC. Not promising, especially since B1G revenues are soon going to go past SEC revenues.

This will give the B1G a "decided financial schematic advantage" in attempts to lure away ACC teams.

Keep reaching Quo.

I don't have a horse in this race, couldn't care less. But you have to admit those numbers are pretty striking in terms of how far behind the ACC is and the likely future trends.

Could have realignment ramifications, after all, those are usually about $$$.

It's a lot of money. I'd be more curious to see the types of investments these schools are making.

(11-26-2015 06:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  No wonder there is grumbling in the ACC. Only one ACC team in the top 20, and the gap is only going to grow with the SECN kicking fully in and the B1G signing a new big deal.

That's true. And there was one other significant detail here. The only school from the G5 in the top 65 of revenue was Connecticut. The only school from the P5 ranked lower than 65 was Wake Forest. There was a 5 million drop in revenue between 65th and 66th positions in the revenue chart. Prior to the CFP money there were 4 or 5 (depending upon the source) G5 schools in the top 65 in earnings and the requisite number of P5 below it. So Quo, the CFP has elevated everyone in the P5 but Wake into the top 65 revenue producers and the only reason Wake didn't make it is because they were so very much lower into the G5 earners 2 years ago.

Two years ago the earnings division line was between the 71st and 72nd position. The CFP has established the clear break point now between the 65th and 66th position. That means that the ideal P5 of 65 schools would add Connecticut and drop Wake Forest if they wanted a financial point of demarcation for divisions.

But, it should be strongly noted that the CFP money is what has self enforced the division between the groups and it has definitely moved the line of demarcation from 71st position to 65th position and therefore has become a self fulfilling point of demarcation that only further alienates the G5 schools from consideration.

How can B.Y.U. add to anyone's bottom line now, whereas two years ago they were clearly within the top 65?

Quo, your analysis of income as a driver for conference change is deeply flawed. You are missing the fundamental point that revenue is a function of football seats in the stadium not television. $20 MILLION more in a conference does not help if your football stadium seats only 50K and your in conference completion seats 100K. This is the Maryland problem.

Assuming 7 games and revenue of $100 per seat (ticket, donation, university athletic fee for a ticket, concessions, etc) and MD generates $35 million in Byrd. Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State will be generating $74 million on football ticket sales. What MD has done has traded a greater gross revenue stream, in exchange for being further behind the leaders in their conference.

(11-26-2015 11:16 AM)EnterSandman Wrote:  Info From Equity in Athletics

Reporting Year: 7/1/2014 - 6/30/2015

Total Revenues by Team

I'm going to include stadium size, and I am going to note in Green a school with a big outside donor base, and use a B to denote a basketball revenue school:

001.) The University of Texas at Austin - $179,555,311 (5)
002.) Ohio State University - $170,903,135 (T2) B
003.) The University of Alabama - $150,620,199 (7)
004.) Louisiana State University - $138,914,636 (6)
005.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $135,660,070 (16)
006.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $132,336,025 (1)
007.) University of Florida - $130,772,416 (12)
008.) Pennsylvania State University - $127,930,142 (T2)
009.) Auburn University - $126,647,970 (13)
010.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $125,790,567 (19) B

011.) The University of Tennessee-Knoxville - $121,837,383 (T5)
012.) Florida State University - $121,319,469 (15)
013.) University of Notre Dame - $121,260,381 (18)
014.) University of Arkansas - $116,166,428 (23)
015.) University of Georgia - $116,151,279 (10)
016.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $113,172,545(20)
017.) University of Kentucky - $110,450,933 (34) B
018.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $110,004,867 (4)
[color=#0000CD]019.) Stanford University - $109,670,730(51)
020.) University of Iowa - $107,404,210 (26)

021.) Baylor University - $106,078,643 (50)
022.) University of Southern California - $105,919,366 (9)
023.) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities - $105,561,601 (48)
024.) University of Louisville - $104,325,208 (42) B
025.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $103,763,277 (14)
026.) University of Washington-Seattle - $103,540,117 (22)
027.) University of Kansas - $103,326,170 (T49) B
028.) University of California-Los Angeles - $96,912,767 (11) B
029.) Michigan State University - $93,878,291 (21)
030.) Duke University - $91,688,202 (59) B

031.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $87,265,729 (46) B
032.) West Virginia University - $87,265,473 (36)
033.) Syracuse University - $87,175,761 (52) B
034.) University of Virginia - $87,059,237 (32)
035.) University of Maryland-College Park - $86,863,794 (52) B
036.) University of Oregon - $85,823,502 (44)
037.) Oklahoma State University - $85,645,208 (38)
038.) University of California-Berkeley - $85,539,904 (30)
039.) University of Arizona - $85,370,219 (39) B
040.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $85,288,270 (29) B

041.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $83,943,459 (25)
042.) Arizona State University-Tempe - $83,706,393 (24)
043.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $81,298,133 (27)
044.) University of Mississippi - $81,024,639 (28)
045.) Texas Christian University - $80,608,562 (56)
046.) University of Miami - $77,724,833 (N/A)
047.) Clemson University - $76,979,261 (17)
048.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $76,839,435 (40) B
049.) Kansas State University - $76,245,188 (49)
050.) Purdue University - $75,474,370 (41)

051.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $74,469,976 (35)
052.) University of Connecticut - $72,155,789 (N/A)
053.) Oregon State University - $72,133,762 (54)
054.) Vanderbilt University - $70,661,736 (40)
055.) University of Pittsburgh - $70,527,488 (N/A)
056.) Northwestern University - $70,028,074 (63)
057.) Texas Tech University - $69,858,256 (37)
058.) Boston College - $69,300,736 (57)
059.) Mississippi State University - $68,150,018 (33)
060.) University of Colorado Boulder - $67,852,236 (45)

061.) Washington State University - $66,143,776 (61)
062.) Iowa State University - $65,733,110 (31)
063.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $65,304,486 (42)
064.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $65,125,833 (T44)
065.) University of Utah - $64,629,551 (58)
066.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $59,032,406 (N/A)
067.) Wake Forest University - $58,672,116 (60) B
068.) Southern Methodist University - $55,349,010
069.) University of Central Florida - $51,871,022
070.) East Carolina University - $48,743,915

071.) University of South Florida - $46,895,838
072.) University of Houston - $45,437,943
073.) San Diego State University - $44,834,016
074.) University of Cincinnati - $42,861,532
075.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $41,919,019
076.) University of Memphis - $41,420,631
077.) California State University-Fresno - $41,376,278
078.) Tulane University - $41,004,900
079.) University of Tulsa - $40,329,852
080.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $39,926,403

081.) Temple University - $39,888,882
082.) Old Dominion University - $39,538,893
083.) Rice University - $37,693,040
084.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $37,223,186
085.) Boise State University - $35,992,446
086.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $34,427,834
087.) Texas State University - $33,982,759
088.) University of Wyoming - $33,823,504
089.) University of New Mexico - $33,278,566
090.) University of Massachusetts-Amherst - $33,121,307

091.) University of Akron - $32,751,124
092.) Miami University-Oxford - $30,922,719
093.) Western Kentucky University - $30,212,548
094.) University at Buffalo - $29,860,445
095.) Western Michigan University - $29,505,180
096.) University of North Texas - $28,894,552
097.) Ohio University - $28,709,413
098.) Central Michigan University - $28,651,564
099.) Middle Tennessee State University - $28,319,620
100.) Florida International University - $28,179,670

101.) Utah State University - $27,783,677
102.) Georgia State University - $27,473,620
103.) University of Toledo - $27,449,095
104.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $27,119,411
105.) Marshall University - $26,594,087
106.) San Jose State University - $26,399,998
107.) University of Nevada-Reno - $26,224,834
108.) Kent State University - $25,680,722
109.) Northern Illinois University - $25,626,985
110.) Ball State University - $25,495,670

111.) New Mexico State University - $25,442,737
112.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $25,369,356
113.) University of North Carolina at Charlotte - $24,985,575
114.) Eastern Michigan University - $24,757,152
115.) Florida Atlantic University - $23,756,677
116.) University of South Alabama - $22,237,737
117.) Appalachian State University - $22,237,056
118.) Troy University - $22,106,427
119.) Bowling Green State University - $21,823,056
120.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - $21,620,575

121.) Louisiana Tech University - $21,500,156
122.) University of Southern Mississippi - $21,356,348
123.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $20,953,370
124.) University of Idaho - $18,928,243
125.) Arkansas State University - $15,980,187
126.) Georgia Southern University - $15,820,150
127.) University of Louisiana at Monroe - $11,185,006
128.) Air Force - Not Available
129.) Navy - Not Available


American Athletic Conference

01.) University of Connecticut - $72,155,789
02.) Southern Methodist University - $55,349,010
03.) University of Central Florida - $51,871,022
04.) East Carolina University - $48,743,915
05.) University of South Florida - $46,895,838
06.) University of Houston - $45,437,943
07.) University of Cincinnati - $42,861,532
08.) University of Memphis - $41,420,631
09.) Tulane University - $41,004,900
10.) University of Tulsa - $40,329,852
11.) Temple University - $39,888,882
12.) Navy - Not Available


Atlantic Coast Conference

01.) Florida State University - $121,319,469
02.) University of Louisville - $104,325,208
03.) Duke University - $91,688,202
04.) Syracuse University - $87,175,761
05.) University of Virginia - $87,059,237
06.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $85,288,270
07.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $81,298,133
08.) University of Miami - $77,724,833
09.) Clemson University - $76,979,261
10.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $76,839,435
11.) University of Pittsburgh - $70,527,488
12.) Boston College - $69,300,736
13.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $65,304,486
14.) Wake Forest University - $58,672,116


Big Ten Conference

01.) Ohio State University - $170,903,135
02.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $132,336,025
03.) Pennsylvania State University - $127,930,142
04.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $125,790,567
05.) University of Iowa - $107,404,210
06.) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities - $105,561,601
07.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $103,763,277
08.) Michigan State University - $93,878,291
09.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $87,265,729
10.) University of Maryland-College Park - $86,863,794
11.) Purdue University - $75,474,370
12.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $74,469,976
13.) Northwestern University - $70,028,074
14.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $65,125,833


Big XII Conference

01.) The University of Texas at Austin - $179,555,311
02.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $135,660,070
03.) Baylor University - $106,078,643
04.) University of Kansas - $103,326,170
05.) West Virginia University - $87,265,473
06.) Oklahoma State University - $85,645,208
07.) Texas Christian University - $80,608,562
08.) Kansas State University - $76,245,188
09.) Texas Tech University - $69,858,256
10.) Iowa State University - $65,733,110


Conference USA

01.) Old Dominion University - $39,538,893
02.) Rice University - $37,693,040
03.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $34,427,834
04.) Western Kentucky University - $30,212,548
05.) University of North Texas - $28,894,552
06.) Middle Tennessee State University - $28,319,620
07.) Florida International University - $28,179,670
08.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $27,119,411
09.) Marshall University - $26,594,087
10.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $25,369,356
11.) University of North Carolina at Charlotte - $24,985,575
12.) Florida Atlantic University - $23,756,677
13.) Louisiana Tech University - $21,500,156
14.) University of Southern Mississippi - $21,356,348


Mid-American Conference

01.) University of Massachusetts-Amherst - $33,121,307
02.) University of Akron - $32,751,124
03.) Miami University-Oxford - $30,922,719
04.) University at Buffalo - $29,860,445
05.) Western Michigan University - $29,505,180
06.) Ohio University - $28,709,413
07.) Central Michigan University - $28,651,564
08.) University of Toledo - $27,449,095
09.) Kent State University - $25,680,722
10.) Northern Illinois University - $25,626,985
11.) Ball State University - $25,495,670
12.) Eastern Michigan University - $24,757,152
13.) Bowling Green State University - $21,823,056


Mountain West Conference

01.) San Diego State University - $44,834,016
02.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $41,919,019
03.) California State University-Fresno - $41,376,278
04.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $39,926,403
05.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $37,223,186
06.) Boise State University - $35,992,446
07.) University of Wyoming - $33,823,504
08.) University of New Mexico - $33,278,566
09.) Utah State University - $27,783,677
10.) San Jose State University - $26,399,998
11.) University of Nevada-Reno - $26,224,834
12.) Air Force - Not Available


Pacific-12 Conference

01.) Stanford University - $109,670,730
02.) University of Southern California - $105,919,366
03.) University of Washington-Seattle - $103,540,117
04.) University of California-Los Angeles - $96,912,767
05.) University of Oregon - $85,823,502
06.) University of California-Berkeley - $85,539,904
07.) University of Arizona - $85,370,219
08.) Arizona State University-Tempe - $83,706,393
09.) Oregon State University - $72,133,762
10.) University of Colorado Boulder - $67,852,236
11.) Washington State University - $66,143,776
12.) University of Utah - $64,629,551


Southeastern Conference

01.) The University of Alabama - $150,620,199
02.) Louisiana State University - $138,914,636
03.) University of Florida - $130,772,416
04.) Auburn University - $126,647,970
05.) The University of Tennessee-Knoxville - $121,837,383
06.) University of Arkansas - $116,166,428
07.) University of Georgia - $116,151,279
08.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $113,172,545
09.) University of Kentucky - $110,450,933
10.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $110,004,867
11.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $83,943,459
12.) University of Mississippi - $81,024,639
13.) Vanderbilt University - $70,661,736
14.) Mississippi State University - $68,150,018


Sun Belt Conference

01.) Texas State University - $33,982,759
02.) Georgia State University - $27,473,620
03.) New Mexico State University - $25,442,737
04.) University of South Alabama - $22,237,737
05.) Appalachian State University - $22,237,056
06.) Troy University - $22,106,427
07.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $20,953,370
08.) University of Idaho - $18,928,243
09.) Arkansas State University - $15,980,187
10.) Georgia Southern University - $15,820,150
11.) University of Louisiana at Monroe - $11,185,006


Independents

01.) University of Notre Dame - $121,260,381
02.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $59,032,406
03.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - $21,620,575

No amount of conference TV money makes up for having 40-50K fewer football seats to sell every game. Using MD again as a example they reported income this year of $86 M. Some of that is advanced money from the B10. Top 3 schools in their division reported revenue of 170, 132, and 127 million. MD is $77 million behind their three division leaders. In the ACC MD was making about $60 million three or so years ago, but FSU, Duke, and UVa. Those three averaged about $77 million so MD was $17 million behind the three top schools.

ACC - $17 million behind leaders or 78% of the top 3
B10 - $77 million behind leaders or 60% of the top 3

More money sounds great, unless your house payment is rising faster than your income.

The only money complaints in the ACC are from folks who can't accept that their football stadiums are smaller by 20% than the big boys, and that their alumni don't donate big time cash.

(11-26-2015 11:16 AM)EnterSandman Wrote:  Info From Equity in Athletics

Reporting Year: 7/1/2014 - 6/30/2015

Total Revenues by Team

001.) The University of Texas at Austin - $179,555,311
002.) Ohio State University - $170,903,135
003.) The University of Alabama - $150,620,199
004.) Louisiana State University - $138,914,636
005.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $135,660,070
006.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $132,336,025
007.) University of Florida - $130,772,416
008.) Pennsylvania State University - $127,930,142
009.) Auburn University - $126,647,970
010.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $125,790,567

011.) The University of Tennessee-Knoxville - $121,837,383
012.) Florida State University - $121,319,469
013.) University of Notre Dame - $121,260,381
014.) University of Arkansas - $116,166,428
015.) University of Georgia - $116,151,279
016.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $113,172,545
017.) University of Kentucky - $110,450,933
018.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $110,004,867
019.) Stanford University - $109,670,730
020.) University of Iowa - $107,404,210

021.) Baylor University - $106,078,643
022.) University of Southern California - $105,919,366
023.) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities - $105,561,601
024.) University of Louisville - $104,325,208
025.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $103,763,277
026.) University of Washington-Seattle - $103,540,117
027.) University of Kansas - $103,326,170
028.) University of California-Los Angeles - $96,912,767
029.) Michigan State University - $93,878,291
030.) Duke University - $91,688,202

031.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $87,265,729
032.) West Virginia University - $87,265,473
033.) Syracuse University - $87,175,761
034.) University of Virginia - $87,059,237
035.) University of Maryland-College Park - $86,863,794
036.) University of Oregon - $85,823,502
037.) Oklahoma State University - $85,645,208
038.) University of California-Berkeley - $85,539,904
039.) University of Arizona - $85,370,219
040.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $85,288,270

041.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $83,943,459
042.) Arizona State University-Tempe - $83,706,393
043.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $81,298,133
044.) University of Mississippi - $81,024,639
045.) Texas Christian University - $80,608,562
046.) University of Miami - $77,724,833
047.) Clemson University - $76,979,261
048.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $76,839,435
049.) Kansas State University - $76,245,188
050.) Purdue University - $75,474,370

051.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $74,469,976
052.) University of Connecticut - $72,155,789
053.) Oregon State University - $72,133,762
054.) Vanderbilt University - $70,661,736
055.) University of Pittsburgh - $70,527,488
056.) Northwestern University - $70,028,074
057.) Texas Tech University - $69,858,256
058.) Boston College - $69,300,736
059.) Mississippi State University - $68,150,018
060.) University of Colorado Boulder - $67,852,236

061.) Washington State University - $66,143,776
062.) Iowa State University - $65,733,110
063.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $65,304,486
064.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $65,125,833
065.) University of Utah - $64,629,551
066.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $59,032,406
067.) Wake Forest University - $58,672,116
068.) Southern Methodist University - $55,349,010
069.) University of Central Florida - $51,871,022
070.) East Carolina University - $48,743,915

071.) University of South Florida - $46,895,838
072.) University of Houston - $45,437,943
073.) San Diego State University - $44,834,016
074.) University of Cincinnati - $42,861,532
075.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $41,919,019
076.) University of Memphis - $41,420,631
077.) California State University-Fresno - $41,376,278
078.) Tulane University - $41,004,900
079.) University of Tulsa - $40,329,852
080.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $39,926,403

081.) Temple University - $39,888,882
082.) Old Dominion University - $39,538,893
083.) Rice University - $37,693,040
084.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $37,223,186
085.) Boise State University - $35,992,446
086.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $34,427,834
087.) Texas State University - $33,982,759
088.) University of Wyoming - $33,823,504
089.) University of New Mexico - $33,278,566
090.) University of Massachusetts-Amherst - $33,121,307

091.) University of Akron - $32,751,124
092.) Miami University-Oxford - $30,922,719
093.) Western Kentucky University - $30,212,548
094.) University at Buffalo - $29,860,445
095.) Western Michigan University - $29,505,180
096.) University of North Texas - $28,894,552
097.) Ohio University - $28,709,413
098.) Central Michigan University - $28,651,564
099.) Middle Tennessee State University - $28,319,620
100.) Florida International University - $28,179,670

101.) Utah State University - $27,783,677
102.) Georgia State University - $27,473,620
103.) University of Toledo - $27,449,095
104.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $27,119,411
105.) Marshall University - $26,594,087
106.) San Jose State University - $26,399,998
107.) University of Nevada-Reno - $26,224,834
108.) Kent State University - $25,680,722
109.) Northern Illinois University - $25,626,985
110.) Ball State University - $25,495,670

111.) New Mexico State University - $25,442,737
112.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $25,369,356
113.) University of North Carolina at Charlotte - $24,985,575
114.) Eastern Michigan University - $24,757,152
115.) Florida Atlantic University - $23,756,677
116.) University of South Alabama - $22,237,737
117.) Appalachian State University - $22,237,056
118.) Troy University - $22,106,427
119.) Bowling Green State University - $21,823,056
120.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - $21,620,575

121.) Louisiana Tech University - $21,500,156
122.) University of Southern Mississippi - $21,356,348
123.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $20,953,370
124.) University of Idaho - $18,928,243
125.) Arkansas State University - $15,980,187
126.) Georgia Southern University - $15,820,150
127.) University of Louisiana at Monroe - $11,185,006
128.) Air Force - Not Available
129.) Navy - Not Available


American Athletic Conference

01.) University of Connecticut - $72,155,789
02.) Southern Methodist University - $55,349,010
03.) University of Central Florida - $51,871,022
04.) East Carolina University - $48,743,915
05.) University of South Florida - $46,895,838
06.) University of Houston - $45,437,943
07.) University of Cincinnati - $42,861,532
08.) University of Memphis - $41,420,631
09.) Tulane University - $41,004,900
10.) University of Tulsa - $40,329,852
11.) Temple University - $39,888,882
12.) Navy - Not Available


Atlantic Coast Conference

01.) Florida State University - $121,319,469
02.) University of Louisville - $104,325,208
03.) Duke University - $91,688,202
04.) Syracuse University - $87,175,761
05.) University of Virginia - $87,059,237
06.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $85,288,270
07.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $81,298,133
08.) University of Miami - $77,724,833
09.) Clemson University - $76,979,261
10.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $76,839,435
11.) University of Pittsburgh - $70,527,488
12.) Boston College - $69,300,736
13.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $65,304,486
14.) Wake Forest University - $58,672,116


Big Ten Conference

01.) Ohio State University - $170,903,135
02.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $132,336,025
03.) Pennsylvania State University - $127,930,142
04.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $125,790,567
05.) University of Iowa - $107,404,210
06.) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities - $105,561,601
07.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $103,763,277
08.) Michigan State University - $93,878,291
09.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $87,265,729
10.) University of Maryland-College Park - $86,863,794
11.) Purdue University - $75,474,370
12.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $74,469,976
13.) Northwestern University - $70,028,074
14.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $65,125,833


Big XII Conference

01.) The University of Texas at Austin - $179,555,311
02.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $135,660,070
03.) Baylor University - $106,078,643
04.) University of Kansas - $103,326,170
05.) West Virginia University - $87,265,473
06.) Oklahoma State University - $85,645,208
07.) Texas Christian University - $80,608,562
08.) Kansas State University - $76,245,188
09.) Texas Tech University - $69,858,256
10.) Iowa State University - $65,733,110


Conference USA

01.) Old Dominion University - $39,538,893
02.) Rice University - $37,693,040
03.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $34,427,834
04.) Western Kentucky University - $30,212,548
05.) University of North Texas - $28,894,552
06.) Middle Tennessee State University - $28,319,620
07.) Florida International University - $28,179,670
08.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $27,119,411
09.) Marshall University - $26,594,087
10.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $25,369,356
11.) University of North Carolina at Charlotte - $24,985,575
12.) Florida Atlantic University - $23,756,677
13.) Louisiana Tech University - $21,500,156
14.) University of Southern Mississippi - $21,356,348


Mid-American Conference

01.) University of Massachusetts-Amherst - $33,121,307
02.) University of Akron - $32,751,124
03.) Miami University-Oxford - $30,922,719
04.) University at Buffalo - $29,860,445
05.) Western Michigan University - $29,505,180
06.) Ohio University - $28,709,413
07.) Central Michigan University - $28,651,564
08.) University of Toledo - $27,449,095
09.) Kent State University - $25,680,722
10.) Northern Illinois University - $25,626,985
11.) Ball State University - $25,495,670
12.) Eastern Michigan University - $24,757,152
13.) Bowling Green State University - $21,823,056


Mountain West Conference

01.) San Diego State University - $44,834,016
02.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $41,919,019
03.) California State University-Fresno - $41,376,278
04.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $39,926,403
05.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $37,223,186
06.) Boise State University - $35,992,446
07.) University of Wyoming - $33,823,504
08.) University of New Mexico - $33,278,566
09.) Utah State University - $27,783,677
10.) San Jose State University - $26,399,998
11.) University of Nevada-Reno - $26,224,834
12.) Air Force - Not Available


Pacific-12 Conference

01.) Stanford University - $109,670,730
02.) University of Southern California - $105,919,366
03.) University of Washington-Seattle - $103,540,117
04.) University of California-Los Angeles - $96,912,767
05.) University of Oregon - $85,823,502
06.) University of California-Berkeley - $85,539,904
07.) University of Arizona - $85,370,219
08.) Arizona State University-Tempe - $83,706,393
09.) Oregon State University - $72,133,762
10.) University of Colorado Boulder - $67,852,236
11.) Washington State University - $66,143,776
12.) University of Utah - $64,629,551


Southeastern Conference

01.) The University of Alabama - $150,620,199
02.) Louisiana State University - $138,914,636
03.) University of Florida - $130,772,416
04.) Auburn University - $126,647,970
05.) The University of Tennessee-Knoxville - $121,837,383
06.) University of Arkansas - $116,166,428
07.) University of Georgia - $116,151,279
08.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $113,172,545
09.) University of Kentucky - $110,450,933
10.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $110,004,867
11.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $83,943,459
12.) University of Mississippi - $81,024,639
13.) Vanderbilt University - $70,661,736
14.) Mississippi State University - $68,150,018


Sun Belt Conference

01.) Texas State University - $33,982,759
02.) Georgia State University - $27,473,620
03.) New Mexico State University - $25,442,737
04.) University of South Alabama - $22,237,737
05.) Appalachian State University - $22,237,056
06.) Troy University - $22,106,427
07.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $20,953,370
08.) University of Idaho - $18,928,243
09.) Arkansas State University - $15,980,187
10.) Georgia Southern University - $15,820,150
11.) University of Louisiana at Monroe - $11,185,006


Independents

01.) University of Notre Dame - $121,260,381
02.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $59,032,406
03.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - $21,620,575

Why is Notre Dame included as an Independent? Why is Notre Dame not grouped with the ACC? If the teams are only going to be ranked in terms of FB membership, then drop out Notre Dame's non-FB revenue. This is a ranking of apples and oranges. And yes Notre Dame is the only bastard case. And I fully capiche. But to not include them in the ACC ranking is wrong.

(11-27-2015 01:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  How can B.Y.U. add to anyone's bottom line now, whereas two years ago they were clearly within the top 65?

As you noted, they can't, which is why talk of "BYU to the Big 12" and the like has essentially disappeared.

BYU really screwed the pooch when they (allegedly!) declined an offer from the Big 12.

(11-27-2015 01:48 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Quo, your analysis of income as a driver for conference change is deeply flawed. You are missing the fundamental point that revenue is a function of football seats in the stadium not television. $20 MILLION more in a conference does not help if your football stadium seats only 50K and your in conference completion seats 100K. This is the Maryland problem.

You are assuming my analysis is wrong by imputing to it things I didn't say. I understand that the biggest source of income teams have is local. For example, LSU makes about $80 million of their $130 from filling up their stadium and all the revenues (suites, season tickets, parking, etc.) that come from that.

But, it's not merely a matter of having football seats in the stadium. Maryland could play at nearby FedEx field, an NFL stadium with all the amenities and 85,000 seats, and they wouldn't make a dime more than they do playing at Byrd because they don't have the fan base to fill a stadium that size or pay for all those amenities. LSU has 100,000 rabid fans who will pay high prices for season tickets, seat licenses, luxury suites, etc. Maryland just does not.

Still, Maryland is better off being in the B1G and getting that bigger media money. No school's "neighborhood" is its conference. These days, your neighborhood is national. If you are Maryland, you are competing with Alabama as much as you are Ohio State. Much better to make $70m and be 9th in the B1G in revenue than make $50m and be 5th in the ACC in revenue. It is a national comparison.

The ACC is in revenue trouble, because yes, they don't have the fan bases of the B1G and SEC, but there is also no doubt that widening media money gap is exacerbating an already bad situation.

(11-27-2015 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 01:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  How can B.Y.U. add to anyone's bottom line now, whereas two years ago they were clearly within the top 65?

As you noted, they can't, which is why talk of "BYU to the Big 12" and the like has essentially disappeared.

BYU really screwed the pooch when they (allegedly!) declined an offer from the Big 12.

There is a second takeaway from all of this that is evident, just not quite as evident as the divided CFP money, the BTN and SECN have as you noted earlier distanced the SEC and Big 10 from the rest of the P5 schools. It seems inevitable regardless of future models of television distribution that this chasm is only going to grow.

GOR's are effectual only in the short term now. Economic pressure and time are now going to be the allies of the Big 10 and SEC.

Also, I noticed you didn't give the average payout to the Big 10 in your numbers. I only calculated it once and didn't check it but it looked to be 8 million below the SEC by my numbers which could be wrong. What were yours?

(11-27-2015 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 01:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  How can B.Y.U. add to anyone's bottom line now, whereas two years ago they were clearly within the top 65?

As you noted, they can't, which is why talk of "BYU to the Big 12" and the like has essentially disappeared.

BYU really screwed the pooch when they (allegedly!) declined an offer from the Big 12.

There is a second takeaway from all of this that is evident, just not quite as evident as the divided CFP money, the BTN and SECN have as you noted earlier distanced the SEC and Big 10 from the rest of the P5 schools. It seems inevitable regardless of future models of television distribution that this chasm is only going to grow.

GOR's are effectual only in the short term now. Economic pressure and time are now going to be the allies of the Big 10 and SEC.

Also, I noticed you didn't give the average payout to the Big 10 in your numbers. I only calculated it once and didn't check it but it looked to be 8 million below the SEC by my numbers which could be wrong. What were yours?

I didn't calculate those averages, IIRC Bullet did. But it was an $8m gap in favor of the SEC.

(11-27-2015 08:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 06:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 01:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  How can B.Y.U. add to anyone's bottom line now, whereas two years ago they were clearly within the top 65?

As you noted, they can't, which is why talk of "BYU to the Big 12" and the like has essentially disappeared.

BYU really screwed the pooch when they (allegedly!) declined an offer from the Big 12.

There is a second takeaway from all of this that is evident, just not quite as evident as the divided CFP money, the BTN and SECN have as you noted earlier distanced the SEC and Big 10 from the rest of the P5 schools. It seems inevitable regardless of future models of television distribution that this chasm is only going to grow.

GOR's are effectual only in the short term now. Economic pressure and time are now going to be the allies of the Big 10 and SEC.

Also, I noticed you didn't give the average payout to the Big 10 in your numbers. I only calculated it once and didn't check it but it looked to be 8 million below the SEC by my numbers which could be wrong. What were yours?

I didn't calculate those averages, IIRC Bullet did. But it was an $8m gap in favor of the SEC.

Thanks. I had to get out a better calculator than the one on my computer to handle all of those digits and just didn't feel like recalculating it. But that is what I came up with. That's why I don't think that their new contract will give them any more of a lead than they have enjoyed before +2 million over the SEC. And remember our full SECN payout won't happen until May of next year. So the gap, if any, won't be plus or minus very much either way.

(11-27-2015 01:38 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 01:33 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 01:31 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2015 01:46 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A couple of G5 related takeaways:

-BYU is the only school that outside of the P5 that has anything approaching at B12 budget.

-All the AAC schools are over $40 million in budget. That must be their benchmark.

-Texas State has an MWC level budget playing in the SBC. If they could ever get a new basketball arena in place they would be a major factor in realignment.

Texas State is sort of proof that basing everything on budgets is faulty. Bobcats are struggling to stay competitive in SBC football right now.

They might be better off in the MWC. There are more schools there that is closer to them.

In some bizzaro world where Texas State wasn't located close to Austin...sure.

They'd have to fly to every game in the MWC. Closest teams are New Mexico, Colorado State, and Air Force.

That is more than New Mexico State in the SBC. They could slide in there with UTEP coming aboard with them in the MWC. That would move Boise State to the west.

MWC Mountain:
Colorado State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico
UTEP
Texas State
Utah State

MWC West:
Boise State
Fresno State
UNR
UNLV
San Diego State
San Jose State
Hawaii

Strange when Boise State made the most money after last season of the MWC that they are showing behind others.

(11-27-2015 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There is a second takeaway from all of this that is evident, just not quite as evident as the divided CFP money, the BTN and SECN have as you noted earlier distanced the SEC and Big 10 from the rest of the P5 schools. It seems inevitable regardless of future models of television distribution that this chasm is only going to grow.

GOR's are effectual only in the short term now. Economic pressure and time are now going to be the allies of the Big 10 and SEC.

There's a limiting factor, which is that if expansion is driven by money, then it only makes sense to add new members who increase the average TV payout per school, not new members who just feed at the trough.

The larger the SEC and Big Ten TV payouts get, the fewer the number of schools who would potentially boost the revenue of the existing members. If the TV money gets large enough, there won't be any schools other than UT and ND who bring enough value to boost the existing per-school payouts, and it won't make economic sense to add anyone else to either league.

(11-27-2015 08:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There is a second takeaway from all of this that is evident, just not quite as evident as the divided CFP money, the BTN and SECN have as you noted earlier distanced the SEC and Big 10 from the rest of the P5 schools. It seems inevitable regardless of future models of television distribution that this chasm is only going to grow.

GOR's are effectual only in the short term now. Economic pressure and time are now going to be the allies of the Big 10 and SEC.

There's a limiting factor, which is that if expansion is driven by money, then it only makes sense to add new members who increase the average TV payout per school, not new members who just feed at the trough.

The larger the SEC and Big Ten TV payouts get, the fewer the number of schools who would potentially boost the revenue of the existing members. If the TV money gets large enough, there won't be any schools other than UT and ND who bring enough value to boost the existing per-school payouts, and it won't make economic sense to add anyone else to either league.

Your point is valid, but as things stand now there are 4 that could add value. A Virginia school, a North Carolina state school, Texas, and Oklahoma. Oklahoma does it on content. Texas adds value any way you look at it. Additions in North Carolina and Virginia do it by markets (while that model lasts). Notre Dame won't join a conference but yes they would add. That's it. And I might add that the schools are pretty much the same for the Big 10.

(11-28-2015 12:42 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Your point is valid, but as things stand now there are 4 that could add value. A Virginia school, a North Carolina state school, Texas, and Oklahoma. Oklahoma does it on content. Texas adds value any way you look at it. Additions in North Carolina and Virginia do it by markets (while that model lasts). Notre Dame won't join a conference but yes they would add. That's it. And I might add that the schools are pretty much the same for the Big 10.

Yes, though the academic snobbery that some Big Ten Presidents have to deal with might limit the Big Ten's choices more, those are pretty much where the opportunities to grow average TV value would come from.

(11-27-2015 08:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There is a second takeaway from all of this that is evident, just not quite as evident as the divided CFP money, the BTN and SECN have as you noted earlier distanced the SEC and Big 10 from the rest of the P5 schools. It seems inevitable regardless of future models of television distribution that this chasm is only going to grow.

GOR's are effectual only in the short term now. Economic pressure and time are now going to be the allies of the Big 10 and SEC.

There's a limiting factor, which is that if expansion is driven by money, then it only makes sense to add new members who increase the average TV payout per school, not new members who just feed at the trough.

The larger the SEC and Big Ten TV payouts get, the fewer the number of schools who would potentially boost the revenue of the existing members. If the TV money gets large enough, there won't be any schools other than UT and ND who bring enough value to boost the existing per-school payouts, and it won't make economic sense to add anyone else to either league.

Your logic is sound, but I am not sure that for practical purpose it applies, and the reason for that is IMO, the same schools that are valuable to the B1G at the current $20m a year media money will still be valuable at $40m a year. The current list of schools that add value to the B1G is already small - Texas, Oklahoma from the Big 12, and North Carolina and Duke from the ACC. They would all still be worth it at $40m.

Those are essentially the same teams that add value to the SEC right now (with the SEC, Virginia adds value now as well), and they all still would even if the SEC media money grows by $10m in the next few years.

The shaving away that you talk about would apply to schools like Kansas and NC State, but IMO those schools already lack value to the B1G and SEC.

In fairness to UC...we played at PBS last year. This year we were back at the new Nippert. We averaged almost 40k/game (sellout) and this includes sold out luxury seating. Our revenue gets a huge jump this year so when this number comes out next year it will be a big difference.