(11-21-2015 02:34 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I wish FBS v FCS games would go away too, unless the NCAA wants to allow them as preseason games.

So, I take that as an ixnay on those kickoff classic games that open the season?

That's the trade-off and ratings argue against you.

(11-21-2015 06:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 02:39 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Of course, as I type this I'm watching the Citadel give South Carolina quite a game.

Many argue the FCS teams have an advantage early in the season if FBS teams haven't got their offenses on track. Also, late season is harder for FCS teams because their depth is injury depleted faster than a deeper FBS team.

The Citadel showed both arguments had holes in them.

Their win doesn't make that any less true.

It does prove the SEC is not God's gift to the world and it does have some flaws. That and Florida's narrow escape against an FCS caliber team.

(11-21-2015 12:02 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  As a FBS football fan, I'm not ever thrilled at the prospects of a FBS v. FCS game at any time of the year, and really wish they would just go away. I kind of get tune up games as the first game of the season...maybe the second...maybe.

But late season FCS games are a waste of the fans' time. They should be eliminated...period. (SEC is really the only offender, with one exception). Here are the ones I'm talking about for this year:

Florida State vs. Chattanooga (11th game of the season)
Alabama Vs. Charleston Southern (11th)
Texas A&m vs. Western Carolina (10th)
Arkansas vs. UT-Martin (8th)
South Carolina vs. The Citadel (11th)

I realize that some of you may feel the same way about P5/G5 match-ups late in the season. It won't surprise you that I don't feel that way because, primarily, the scholarship limits are the same. But that's not the case with FCS games.

My solution: any FCS scheduled game played AFTER you play your first conference game will not count towards bowl eligibility. If you want to play it, fine, (although I still say it sucks for the fans) but you can't use it to gain bowl eligibility.

Rant over.

Then do not play the SunBelt, CUSA, MWC, AAC or MAC games either as these games are usually mismatches especially games involving FBS teams that matter.

(11-21-2015 08:13 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 02:34 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I wish FBS v FCS games would go away too, unless the NCAA wants to allow them as preseason games.

So, I take that as an ixnay on those kickoff classic games that open the season?

That's the trade-off and ratings argue against you.

You could still have the big neutral site games Labor Day weekend after facing an FCS squad at home the week before.

(11-21-2015 01:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  And you gave no reason why playing FCS is inherently better early rather than late in the season. Certainly no reason to actually have a rule saying the latter can't count towards bowl participation. That's arbitrary.

Quite. The rule should be that teams that have a winning FBS record get first crack at bowls, and then the first group of supplements are those that don't have losing records after adding in a win over a qualifying FCS school.

(11-21-2015 04:04 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 01:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 01:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the fans of the teams that play these games hate them so much, then they will voice their displeasure and pressure their schools to end them. If they don't mind them, then who cares whether an outsider like yourself thinks they lack entertainment value?

And you gave no reason why playing FCS is inherently better early rather than late in the season. Certainly no reason to actually have a rule saying the latter can't count towards bowl participation. That's arbitrary.

The fans don't show up. Georgia sells out all the time, but the actual turnstile count the Alabama game vs. the Southern University game was close to 20,000 different (78k vs 59k-some 4k get in w/o going through the turnstiles). Probably would have been a lot bigger, but the Southern band was an attraction. The UGA-UK game was about 25,000 lower, but that was after a disappointing loss and with predictions of thunderstorms during the game. I guessing Georgia Southern will be even lower (they aren't FCS any more, but this is their first season as a full FBS member).

Basically its the ADs wanting to pay 500k less in guarantees and giving the middle finger to the ticket buyers, not providing a quality product. They might lose 200k in concessions but save 500k in guarantees. But in the long run they are hurting the value of their product as well as costing vendors in the city and harming the TV value. I suspect its been ESPN and Fox pushing the Big 12/Pac 12/Big 10 to 9 conference games as much as anyone internally and also them pushing the Big 10 rule to eliminate FCS games.

This is Georgia Southern's first year not being transitional and being allowed to compete in a bowl, but we did play a full FBS schedule last year. Curious...what makes you think that UGA/GS would attract less than UGA/UK. These are two in-state teams after all.

So is Albany St. That doesn't make them interesting. UGA/Georgia Southern have played what, 2 or 3 times ever? It was an entertaining game, but not one that would generate interest beforehand.

The last time Georgia lost to another Georgia school that was not Tech was to Oglathorpe long time ago.

(11-21-2015 11:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 04:04 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 01:29 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 01:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If the fans of the teams that play these games hate them so much, then they will voice their displeasure and pressure their schools to end them. If they don't mind them, then who cares whether an outsider like yourself thinks they lack entertainment value?

And you gave no reason why playing FCS is inherently better early rather than late in the season. Certainly no reason to actually have a rule saying the latter can't count towards bowl participation. That's arbitrary.

The fans don't show up. Georgia sells out all the time, but the actual turnstile count the Alabama game vs. the Southern University game was close to 20,000 different (78k vs 59k-some 4k get in w/o going through the turnstiles). Probably would have been a lot bigger, but the Southern band was an attraction. The UGA-UK game was about 25,000 lower, but that was after a disappointing loss and with predictions of thunderstorms during the game. I guessing Georgia Southern will be even lower (they aren't FCS any more, but this is their first season as a full FBS member).

Basically its the ADs wanting to pay 500k less in guarantees and giving the middle finger to the ticket buyers, not providing a quality product. They might lose 200k in concessions but save 500k in guarantees. But in the long run they are hurting the value of their product as well as costing vendors in the city and harming the TV value. I suspect its been ESPN and Fox pushing the Big 12/Pac 12/Big 10 to 9 conference games as much as anyone internally and also them pushing the Big 10 rule to eliminate FCS games.

This is Georgia Southern's first year not being transitional and being allowed to compete in a bowl, but we did play a full FBS schedule last year. Curious...what makes you think that UGA/GS would attract less than UGA/UK. These are two in-state teams after all.

So is Albany St. That doesn't make them interesting. UGA/Georgia Southern have played what, 2 or 3 times ever? It was an entertaining game, but not one that would generate interest beforehand.

We've met 6 times now. But yeah...

1) Albany state wouldn't sniff the playing field of Georgia Southern let alone UGA. They don't have much of a fan base or a reason to play.

2) The point of the post above was to get to your reasoning as to why you think UK would attract more fans than GS to Athens? When was the last time UK was actually chasing the conference title? Not entirely sure UGA/UK has a predisposition to create hype. I mean.... yeah they are in the same conference, but so is Oklahoma State and KU....I'm sure it's the game of the week every year lol.

(11-22-2015 01:03 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  2) The point of the post above was to get to your reasoning as to why you think UK would attract more fans than GS to Athens? When was the last time UK was actually chasing the conference title? Not entirely sure UGA/UK has a predisposition to create hype. I mean.... yeah they are in the same conference, but so is Oklahoma State and KU....I'm sure it's the game of the week every year lol.

Might not be game of the week material, but they ARE in the same conference, and since its Kentucky, there's often some whuppings in SEC BBall from the previous year to be returned on the football field when you play UK.

(11-21-2015 12:02 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  My solution: any FCS scheduled game played AFTER you play your first conference game will not count towards bowl eligibility. If you want to play it, fine, (although I still say it sucks for the fans) but you can't use it to gain bowl eligibility.

The questionable nature of this "problem" aside, your "solution" is bunk. So for example when a conference schedules a conference game for opening weekend, as a big kickoff type game, they now cannot play an FCS school, but everyone else can if they choose? Really? Further, while the SEC teams are the ones who mostly are guitly (and sometimes the teams that play SEC teams the final week because of not wanting to be disadvantaged), the flipside to it is those teams actually forwent the opportunity have the tuneup game earlier in the season, which in theory puts them at a disadvantage, and instead choose to allow it to be a late season "tuneup" in an attempt to rest players for the finish. Is what it is, but while it helps them late season, they pay the price earlier in the season. And finally, for conferences with networks, it behooves them to stagger OOC games throughout the season, so they don't end up with weeks of having only five or six games to show, due to everyone playing each other and bye weeks. Staggering is almost a necessity.