Wow....say what you will, but why are we still talking about Iverson? Blame whomever you wish, but his time at Memphis was up, based on a number of factors. What he does from this point forward really has nothing to do with Josh.

(01-06-2016 06:20 PM)Hoots Wrote:  Wow....say what you will, but why are we still talking about Iverson? Blame whomever you wish, but his time at Memphis was up, based on a number of factors. What he does from this point forward really has nothing to do with Josh.

That's what we do here. We have a thread on this board about a guy that never played here. The only difference is what the particular agenda is.

(01-06-2016 06:20 PM)Hoots Wrote:  What he does from this point forward really has nothing to do with Josh.

Disagree.

(11-19-2015 02:34 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 02:33 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 02:28 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  2 games - 25 mpg, 7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.5 spg, 1 bpg, 1 apg.

Pretty good for a guy who has played about 2 games at the DI level.

6-9, 220 - could've used him the other night.

You conveniently left out the 3 turns/game. I wonder if he still dribbles up to his chest and shoots 3's?

:edit: yep, still jacking 3's, hasn't hit one yet, but there is still hope.

Has KJ Lawson made a 3 yet?

And both lawsons dribble off their chests. As in should not be dribbling down the court. they are not point guards. ONE BOUNCE! that is all they should do and then DDUNK!!!

(01-06-2016 06:20 PM)Hoots Wrote:  Wow....say what you will, but why are we still talking about Iverson? Blame whomever you wish, but his time at Memphis was up, based on a number of factors. What he does from this point forward really has nothing to do with Josh.

Josh did not use him properly and he got no playing time, it has everything to do with him.

Josh Pastner doesn’t give a damn about big players because he’s a small ball coach who shouldn’t even be in D1. In 7 years the only big he has ever attempted to get the ball to was Austin. Why did he do this last season? Because he put all his/our marbles on the 4 kings and didn’t have a guard last season that he trusted.

He jacked Nick King & Iverson around and played Chris at the 3 (and sometimes the 4) self creating mismatches against good or ranked teams that resulted in most of the blowouts we’ve seen over the past few seasons.

Austin was also the only big who didn’t continually stay in foul trouble. Coleman, Black, and even Shaq stayed in serious foul trouble. Spoon too when he was forced to play the 5.

Josh is a small ball coach and I doubt he ever changes or sniff winning big. He’s either too stubborn or too stupid. Heck when was the last time he won an important game against a good team with ranking and advancement on the line?

Note: at the start of the season I set the UCONN game as the one I would determine if the Tigers were going to fish or cut bait…and the clock is ticking.

(01-07-2016 01:42 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Josh Pastner doesn’t give a damn about big players because he’s a small ball coach who shouldn’t even be in D1. In 7 years the only big he has ever attempted to get the ball to was Austin. Why did he do this last season? Because he put all his/our marbles on the 4 kings and didn’t have a guard last season that he trusted.

He jacked Nick King & Iverson around and played Chris at the 3 (and sometimes the 4) self creating mismatches against good or ranked teams that resulted in most of the blowouts we’ve seen over the past few seasons.

Austin was also the only big who didn’t continually stay in foul trouble. Coleman, Black, and even Shaq stayed in serious foul trouble. Spoon too when he was forced to play the 5.

Josh is a small ball coach and I doubt he ever changes or sniff winning big. He’s either too stubborn or too stupid. Heck when was the last time he won an important game against a good team with ranking and advancement on the line?

Note: at the start of the season I set the UCONN game as the one I would determine if the Tigers were going to fish or cut bait…and the clock is ticking.

A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

(01-07-2016 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

Not a shot at Pastner, just an observation.

One day, we will look back in time and realize that the City of Memphis, never known really for producing that many DI big men, produced Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal all in a 7 year period. Crazy.

Would've loved to have seen a Tarik/Stokes frontline and a Nichols/Skal frontline and the funny thing is I think I would've rather seen the Tarik/Stokes frontline.

(01-07-2016 12:07 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

Not a shot at Pastner, just an observation.

One day, we will look back in time and realize that the City of Memphis, never known really for producing that many DI big men, produced Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal all in a 7 year period. Crazy.

Would've loved to have seen a Tarik/Stokes frontline and a Nichols/Skal frontline and the funny thing is I think I would've rather seen the Tarik/Stokes frontline.

True NBA big men are at least 6'10" for power forwards or taller for NBA centers. The tallest one in that group isn't playing every well right now in college. Out of the other, two are marginal NBA talent and the other is D-league talent. To win the way people here think the Tigers should win its going to take better talent than what you have mentioned. Those guys would get the coach fired.

What position does Dreymond Green plays and how tall is he? Karl malone? 6'10" is not a birthright

(01-07-2016 12:23 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  What position does Dreymond Green plays and how tall is he? Karl malone? 6'10" is not a birthright

Shhhhh...he's on a roll.

Never mind that Wichita State and VCU both made the Final Four without a similar front line as Tarik/Stokes or Nichols/Skal.

In fact there was only one NBA player between the two teams and that was a second round draft choice in Cleanthony Early.

In fact, I'm trying to recall all those NBA power forwards and centers that started for George Mason or the last two UConn teams or the back to back Butler teams. Or from the WVU team in 2010. Or Villanova in 2009.

Or...could go on and on.

SMH

(01-07-2016 12:18 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 12:07 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

Not a shot at Pastner, just an observation.

One day, we will look back in time and realize that the City of Memphis, never known really for producing that many DI big men, produced Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal all in a 7 year period. Crazy.

Would've loved to have seen a Tarik/Stokes frontline and a Nichols/Skal frontline and the funny thing is I think I would've rather seen the Tarik/Stokes frontline.

True NBA big men are at least 6'10" for power forwards or taller for NBA centers. The tallest one in that group isn't playing every well right now in college. Out of the other, two are marginal NBA talent and the other is D-league talent. To win the way people here think the Tigers should win its going to take better talent than what you have mentioned. Those guys would get the coach fired.

Don't know or care about NBA or getting a coach fired. I just would've liked to have seen it.

Would've liked to have seen Day and Hardaway and would've liked to have seen Thad Young on the 2007 team.

Stokes made the Sweet 16 without Tarik. Think together, they would've been an interesting combo on the DI level.

IMO

(01-07-2016 12:32 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 12:18 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 12:07 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

Not a shot at Pastner, just an observation.

One day, we will look back in time and realize that the City of Memphis, never known really for producing that many DI big men, produced Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal all in a 7 year period. Crazy.

Would've loved to have seen a Tarik/Stokes frontline and a Nichols/Skal frontline and the funny thing is I think I would've rather seen the Tarik/Stokes frontline.

True NBA big men are at least 6'10" for power forwards or taller for NBA centers. The tallest one in that group isn't playing every well right now in college. Out of the other, two are marginal NBA talent and the other is D-league talent. To win the way people here think the Tigers should win its going to take better talent than what you have mentioned. Those guys would get the coach fired.

Don't know or care about NBA or getting a coach fired. I just would've liked to have seen it.

Would've liked to have seen Day and Hardaway and would've liked to have seen Thad Young on the 2007 team.

Stokes made the Sweet 16 without Tarik. Think together, they would've been an interesting combo on the DI level.

IMO

Tarik and Stokes where the same player, not sure it would have worked.

(01-07-2016 12:30 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 12:23 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  What position does Dreymond Green plays and how tall is he? Karl malone? 6'10" is not a birthright

Shhhhh...he's on a roll.

Never mind that Wichita State and VCU both made the Final Four without a similar front line as Tarik/Stokes or Nichols/Skal.

In fact there was only one NBA player between the two teams and that was a second round draft choice in Cleanthony Early.

In fact, I'm trying to recall all those NBA power forwards and centers that started for George Mason or the last two UConn teams or the back to back Butler teams. Or from the WVU team in 2010. Or Villanova in 2009.

Or...could go on and on.

SMH

The NBA doesn't even have centers listed on the all star ballots anymore from what I recall. Only forwards...

Didn't Dayton play with no players taller than 6'6" last season????

Also must acknowledge that the college game and NBA game differ significantly when it comes to the 4/5.

UNC's 6'8" Tyler Hansbrough may have been the most prolific 4 man in the NCAA in the last several decades over the course of his career with the Tarheels. A more effective and complete power forward in college basketball I cannot remember. he dominated and he did so for 4 solid years.

He's an afterthought in the NBA, however.

Iverson, by the way, is statistcally the top contributor on Rhode Island's team so far this season (Ken's stats don't necessarily mean that he is the top scorer). He's nationally ranked in blocks, O and D rebounds and FT rate.

He's 4th on Rhode Island's team in shots attempted from the field. Turning the ball over a little much, but other than that he's having a solid year.

(01-07-2016 01:54 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Iverson, by the way, is statistcally the top contributor on Rhode Island's team so far this season (Ken's stats don't necessarily mean that he is the top scorer). He's nationally ranked in blocks, O and D rebounds and FT rate.

He's 4th on Rhode Island's team in shots attempted from the field. Turning the ball over a little much, but other than that he's having a solid year.

Josh has wasted or run off more talent than he has developed.

At first I thought it was merely a run of bad luck, but as the years roll by he’s worse. Nobody has bad luck this long. Dude is just stupid and has transformed the Tigers into the Washington Generals.

(01-07-2016 12:07 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

Not a shot at Pastner, just an observation.

One day, we will look back in time and realize that the City of Memphis, never known really for producing that many DI big men, produced Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal all in a 7 year period. Crazy.

Would've loved to have seen a Tarik/Stokes frontline and a Nichols/Skal frontline and the funny thing is I think I would've rather seen the Tarik/Stokes frontline.

Hmmm….Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal.

Stokes & Skal didn’t commit and Tarik & Nichols bailed out. Makes no difference anyway because Josh wouldn’t have done jack with them. He doesn’t know how and refuses to learn.

Memphis kids (especially big men) should stay away from our current program.

(01-08-2016 07:01 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 12:07 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

Not a shot at Pastner, just an observation.

One day, we will look back in time and realize that the City of Memphis, never known really for producing that many DI big men, produced Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal all in a 7 year period. Crazy.

Would've loved to have seen a Tarik/Stokes frontline and a Nichols/Skal frontline and the funny thing is I think I would've rather seen the Tarik/Stokes frontline.

Hmmm….Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal.

Stokes & Skal didn’t commit and Tarik & Nichols bailed out. Makes no difference anyway because Josh wouldn’t have done jack with them. He doesn’t know how and refuses to learn.

Memphis kids (especially big men) should stay away from our current program.

Yeah, I was just saying in general.

Whoever the coach was.

I mean, Cam Payne and Ian Clark are on NBA rosters right now.

Would've been great to see them as Tigers as well well.

Main point that one day folks will look back and realize just how much talent was in the city post-Calipari.

Payne - NBA, Clark - NBA, Tarik - NBA, Stokes - NBA, Nichols - ?, Skal - ?, and then the Memphis Magic guys are either in the NBDL or overseas, etc.

(01-07-2016 12:18 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 12:07 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  A caller to a radio show the other day was railing about how great Josh would be if we had Skal, Nichols, Lawson and Shaq all on the same team. I almost wrecked my car laughing.

Not a shot at Pastner, just an observation.

One day, we will look back in time and realize that the City of Memphis, never known really for producing that many DI big men, produced Tarik, Stokes, Nichols and Skal all in a 7 year period. Crazy.

Would've loved to have seen a Tarik/Stokes frontline and a Nichols/Skal frontline and the funny thing is I think I would've rather seen the Tarik/Stokes frontline.

True NBA big men are at least 6'10" for power forwards or taller for NBA centers. The tallest one in that group isn't playing every well right now in college. Out of the other, two are marginal NBA talent and the other is D-league talent. To win the way people here think the Tigers should win its going to take better talent than what you have mentioned. Those guys would get the coach fired.

We were 6 seconds from a title with 6-7 Joey Dorsey and rail thin Robert Dozier as our starting bigs. College and the NBA are different especially now. Keith Lee was a dominant college player who wasn't dominant in the NBA. Ronnie Robinson wasn't an NBA player. Neither were Vaughn, Massie and Omar Snead. Ren was a role player. All those guys except Snead and Massie went to at least a sweet 16.