(11-23-2015 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:30 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a lot like telling people that flying on an airplane is the safest way to travel, which statistically is true. But, when you are in your seat screaming in a free fall you don't really give a **** about the statistics.

And it's also like saying that because one plane crashed, all air travel should be suspended.

Which makes more sense?

I'm not really commenting on the different sides of the argument as much as I am on the argument itself.

It's more an issue of perspective than anything.

If I was the man with his ass on fire about to have my head smashed in by the seatback and tray table in front of me I'm probably okay with the idea that planes never fly again. But, that's more of a personal decision.

I get what you are saying, and it is valid, to a person in a certain position. But, while you and I can sit here and speak statistics there is a real world out there where statistics don't matter.

(11-23-2015 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:30 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a lot like telling people that flying on an airplane is the safest way to travel, which statistically is true. But, when you are in your seat screaming in a free fall you don't really give a **** about the statistics.

And it's also like saying that because one plane crashed, all air travel should be suspended.

Which makes more sense?

No, but that model aircraft should be grounded until we know what caused it. Oh wait, thats exactly what we do! Thanks for making our point!

(11-23-2015 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And more facts...same source as above.

Quote:How Many Refugees Make It Here? How Many Are Syrians?

The UNHCR annually refers less than one percent of all refugees for resettlement. In 2014, they referred a mere 103,890 to all resettlement nations. That year, the United States accepted 69,933 refugees, or about 0.5 percent of the total number of all refugees in the world, but over 67 percent of all those referred by UNHCR.

In 2015, the United States has accepted only 1,682 Syrian refugees, or 0.042 percent of the 4,045,650 registered Syrian refugees. Only one out of every 2,405 Syrian refugees in a camp was resettled in the United States in 2015.

Well the Syrian crysis is just a few years old. If the US is truly taking 18-24 months to screen them we can't have admitted but so many yet.

(11-23-2015 04:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And we do sure have some incredibly stupid Americans.

Yep. Per this poll
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/terrorism...d=35327667
we have 43% that are incredibly stupid

Quote:Okay...maybe they're not really stupid and are just ignoring basic common sense for political expediency in the face of mountains of evidence and facts.

Of course the second might actually be worse.

Shameful either way.

Again, agree. Best example of this can be found here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/

Second best can be found here:
http://csnbbs.com/user-5598.html

That's it? That's all you have? A childish link to my profile and the White house website? Really?

Maybe you can articulate why a refugee from Syria would post a threat to you or America in general? And can you provide any basis for that position? And try to do better than they might be a Muslim, mmmmkay?

Meanwhile, I'll use facts.

Quote:Of the 859,629 refugees admitted from 2001 onwards, only three have been convicted of planning terrorist attacks on targets outside of the United States, and none was successfully carried out. That is one terrorism-planning conviction for every 286,543 refugees that have been admitted. To put that in perspective, about 1 in every 22,541 Americans committed murder in 2014. The terrorist threat from Syrian refugees in the United States is hyperbolically over-exaggerated and we have very little to fear from them because the refugee vetting system is so thorough.

Syrian Refugees Don’t Pose a Serious Security Threat

And folks keep claiming that liberals suffer from mental illnesses?

I guess you keep forgetting this...

1. Syrian-American Aims for Military Base or Prison

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a Syrian immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, was charged with planning to go to a Texas military base and kill American soldiers execution style, or commit a crime at a prison. He reportedly trained with a terrorist group in Syria and said he wanted to “attack a military facility or a prison in the United States,” the New York Times reported.

The indictment said, “Mohamud talked about doing something big in the United States. He wanted to go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.”

He allegedly trained with terrorists in Syria, but a cleric in Syria told Mohamud he should return to the United States and “carry out an act of terrorism,” according to the indictment.

2. New York Bomb Plot

Two Pakistani immigrants who received U.S citizenship were sentenced to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York. Raees Qazi and Sheheryar Qazi pleaded guilty in March and were sentenced in June to 35 years and 20 years respectively.

3. Chattanooga Attack

A Kuwaiti immigrant brought here by his family at a young age who became a citizen, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, carried out an attack this summer at a military recruiting center that killed four military personnel in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in July. He was killed the day of the shooting.

Abdulazeez was reportedly not in the U.S. database of suspected terrorists, but law enforcement believed he might have traveled to the Middle East in recent years.

4. Social Media Backing

In June, Ali Shukri Amin, a Sudanese immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, pleaded guilty to providing material support for the Islamic State. Recruited online, Amin, a resident of Manassas, Virginia, was a high school student who ran a pro-Islamic State Twitter account.

5. Bosnian Conspiracies

A Bosnian refugee couple was charged with donating money, supplies and smuggled arms to terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. In February, the couple, Ramiz Zijad Hodzic and Sedina Unkic Hodzic, pleaded not guilty in federal court in St. Louis.

They were among six Bosnian immigrants living in Missouri, Illinois and New York who were charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist organizations, including the Islamic State and the Nusra Front, an Al Qaeda affiliate. The Justice Department accused the couple of using Facebook, PayPal, Western Union and the U.S. Postal Service to coordinate the shipping of money and military equipment.

6. Machine Gun for Travel

In a case of three men prosecutors say were plotting to help the Islamic State, a Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status, Akhror Saidakhmetov, allegedly planned to buy a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they tried to prevent him from traveling to Syria to join the Islamic State.

He allegedly conspired with two citizens of Uzbekistan, Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev and Abror Habibov. Federal prosecutors said the three men pledged their allegiance to the Islamic State on Internet forums.

7. Propane Tank Bomb Plot

A Saudi Arabian immigrant with U.S. citizenship allegedly swore allegiance to the Islamic State and allegedly planned to explode a propane tank bomb in the United States, according to prosecutors.

During a sting operation at the home of Noelle Velentzas, 27, and Asia Siddiqui, 31, in New York, officers found three gas tanks, a pressure cooker, fertilizer, handwritten notes on recipes for bomb making and jihadist literature.

Siddiqui was born in Saudi Arabia but had U.S. citizenship. Federal prosecutors said she had a close relationship with Samir Khan, an American who actually became an al Qaeda leader in Yemen.

8. University and Court House

In April, El Mehdi Semlali Fathi, a Moroccan national who had come to the United States on student visa, which had since expired, was charged in Bridgeport, Connecticut, with plotting to blow up buildings at an unnamed university outside the state of Connecticut and a federal courthouse in Connecticut.

The FBI secretly recorded him talking about pliers, a cutter and wires in his home that he said were the materials for a bomb.

“Fathi stated in the recording that he would use airplanes, possibly toy planes to execute the bombing,” Special Agent Anabela Sharp said, according to ABC News. “Specifically, Fathi stated that he was going to use a plane, a remote-controlled hobby-type airplane, to deliver the bomb.”

9. Lying to the FBI

An Iraqi immigrant, Bilal Abood, who received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in May in Texas by the FBI for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to the Islamic State and his travels to Syria.

The FBI examined his computer and found that in June he wrote on Twitter, “I pledge obedience to the Caliphate Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.”

10. Raising Funds to Join the Islamic State

An Uzbek man in New York, Dilkhayot Kasimov, was charged in April with trying to encourage other Uzbekis to engage in terrorism and to raise money for terrorist groups abroad.

A government informant said that Kasimov sought to encourage others to join the Islamic State, and others involved purchased tickets to travel to Turkey. From there, they planned to slip into Syria and enlist, according to prosecutors. They raised $1,600 from several people.

and of course, this one



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/...n-the-u-s/

(11-23-2015 04:37 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:30 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This is a lot like telling people that flying on an airplane is the safest way to travel, which statistically is true. But, when you are in your seat screaming in a free fall you don't really give a **** about the statistics.

And it's also like saying that because one plane crashed, all air travel should be suspended.

Which makes more sense?

No, but that model aircraft should be grounded until we know what caused it. Oh wait, thats exactly what we do! Thanks for making our point!

Everytime? Source please.

(11-23-2015 04:53 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And we do sure have some incredibly stupid Americans.

Yep. Per this poll
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/terrorism...d=35327667
we have 43% that are incredibly stupid

Quote:Okay...maybe they're not really stupid and are just ignoring basic common sense for political expediency in the face of mountains of evidence and facts.

Of course the second might actually be worse.

Shameful either way.

Again, agree. Best example of this can be found here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/

Second best can be found here:
http://csnbbs.com/user-5598.html

That's it? That's all you have? A childish link to my profile and the White house website? Really?

Maybe you can articulate why a refugee from Syria would post a threat to you or America in general? And can you provide any basis for that position? And try to do better than they might be a Muslim, mmmmkay?

Meanwhile, I'll use facts.

Quote:Of the 859,629 refugees admitted from 2001 onwards, only three have been convicted of planning terrorist attacks on targets outside of the United States, and none was successfully carried out. That is one terrorism-planning conviction for every 286,543 refugees that have been admitted. To put that in perspective, about 1 in every 22,541 Americans committed murder in 2014. The terrorist threat from Syrian refugees in the United States is hyperbolically over-exaggerated and we have very little to fear from them because the refugee vetting system is so thorough.

Syrian Refugees Don’t Pose a Serious Security Threat

And folks keep claiming that liberals suffer from mental illnesses?

I guess you keep forgetting this...

1. Syrian-American Aims for Military Base or Prison

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a Syrian immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, was charged with planning to go to a Texas military base and kill American soldiers execution style, or commit a crime at a prison. He reportedly trained with a terrorist group in Syria and said he wanted to “attack a military facility or a prison in the United States,” the New York Times reported.

The indictment said, “Mohamud talked about doing something big in the United States. He wanted to go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.”

He allegedly trained with terrorists in Syria, but a cleric in Syria told Mohamud he should return to the United States and “carry out an act of terrorism,” according to the indictment.

2. New York Bomb Plot

Two Pakistani immigrants who received U.S citizenship were sentenced to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York. Raees Qazi and Sheheryar Qazi pleaded guilty in March and were sentenced in June to 35 years and 20 years respectively.

3. Chattanooga Attack

A Kuwaiti immigrant brought here by his family at a young age who became a citizen, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, carried out an attack this summer at a military recruiting center that killed four military personnel in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in July. He was killed the day of the shooting.

Abdulazeez was reportedly not in the U.S. database of suspected terrorists, but law enforcement believed he might have traveled to the Middle East in recent years.

4. Social Media Backing

In June, Ali Shukri Amin, a Sudanese immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, pleaded guilty to providing material support for the Islamic State. Recruited online, Amin, a resident of Manassas, Virginia, was a high school student who ran a pro-Islamic State Twitter account.

5. Bosnian Conspiracies

A Bosnian refugee couple was charged with donating money, supplies and smuggled arms to terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. In February, the couple, Ramiz Zijad Hodzic and Sedina Unkic Hodzic, pleaded not guilty in federal court in St. Louis.

They were among six Bosnian immigrants living in Missouri, Illinois and New York who were charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist organizations, including the Islamic State and the Nusra Front, an Al Qaeda affiliate. The Justice Department accused the couple of using Facebook, PayPal, Western Union and the U.S. Postal Service to coordinate the shipping of money and military equipment.

6. Machine Gun for Travel

In a case of three men prosecutors say were plotting to help the Islamic State, a Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status, Akhror Saidakhmetov, allegedly planned to buy a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they tried to prevent him from traveling to Syria to join the Islamic State.

He allegedly conspired with two citizens of Uzbekistan, Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev and Abror Habibov. Federal prosecutors said the three men pledged their allegiance to the Islamic State on Internet forums.

7. Propane Tank Bomb Plot

A Saudi Arabian immigrant with U.S. citizenship allegedly swore allegiance to the Islamic State and allegedly planned to explode a propane tank bomb in the United States, according to prosecutors.

During a sting operation at the home of Noelle Velentzas, 27, and Asia Siddiqui, 31, in New York, officers found three gas tanks, a pressure cooker, fertilizer, handwritten notes on recipes for bomb making and jihadist literature.

Siddiqui was born in Saudi Arabia but had U.S. citizenship. Federal prosecutors said she had a close relationship with Samir Khan, an American who actually became an al Qaeda leader in Yemen.

8. University and Court House

In April, El Mehdi Semlali Fathi, a Moroccan national who had come to the United States on student visa, which had since expired, was charged in Bridgeport, Connecticut, with plotting to blow up buildings at an unnamed university outside the state of Connecticut and a federal courthouse in Connecticut.

The FBI secretly recorded him talking about pliers, a cutter and wires in his home that he said were the materials for a bomb.

“Fathi stated in the recording that he would use airplanes, possibly toy planes to execute the bombing,” Special Agent Anabela Sharp said, according to ABC News. “Specifically, Fathi stated that he was going to use a plane, a remote-controlled hobby-type airplane, to deliver the bomb.”

9. Lying to the FBI

An Iraqi immigrant, Bilal Abood, who received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in May in Texas by the FBI for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to the Islamic State and his travels to Syria.

The FBI examined his computer and found that in June he wrote on Twitter, “I pledge obedience to the Caliphate Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.”

10. Raising Funds to Join the Islamic State

An Uzbek man in New York, Dilkhayot Kasimov, was charged in April with trying to encourage other Uzbekis to engage in terrorism and to raise money for terrorist groups abroad.

A government informant said that Kasimov sought to encourage others to join the Islamic State, and others involved purchased tickets to travel to Turkey. From there, they planned to slip into Syria and enlist, according to prosecutors. They raised $1,600 from several people.

and of course, this one



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/...n-the-u-s/

Knock it off...this is like the third time you've posted this same exact thing. And neither time has it provided anything to this discussion about Syrian refugees.

Not to mention the Boston Bombers weren't refugees!
http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/

Tom should be required to wear a helmet.

(11-23-2015 05:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:53 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And we do sure have some incredibly stupid Americans.

Yep. Per this poll
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/terrorism...d=35327667
we have 43% that are incredibly stupid

Quote:Okay...maybe they're not really stupid and are just ignoring basic common sense for political expediency in the face of mountains of evidence and facts.

Of course the second might actually be worse.

Shameful either way.

Again, agree. Best example of this can be found here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/

Second best can be found here:
http://csnbbs.com/user-5598.html

That's it? That's all you have? A childish link to my profile and the White house website? Really?

Maybe you can articulate why a refugee from Syria would post a threat to you or America in general? And can you provide any basis for that position? And try to do better than they might be a Muslim, mmmmkay?

Meanwhile, I'll use facts.

Quote:Of the 859,629 refugees admitted from 2001 onwards, only three have been convicted of planning terrorist attacks on targets outside of the United States, and none was successfully carried out. That is one terrorism-planning conviction for every 286,543 refugees that have been admitted. To put that in perspective, about 1 in every 22,541 Americans committed murder in 2014. The terrorist threat from Syrian refugees in the United States is hyperbolically over-exaggerated and we have very little to fear from them because the refugee vetting system is so thorough.

Syrian Refugees Don’t Pose a Serious Security Threat

And folks keep claiming that liberals suffer from mental illnesses?

I guess you keep forgetting this...

1. Syrian-American Aims for Military Base or Prison

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a Syrian immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, was charged with planning to go to a Texas military base and kill American soldiers execution style, or commit a crime at a prison. He reportedly trained with a terrorist group in Syria and said he wanted to “attack a military facility or a prison in the United States,” the New York Times reported.

The indictment said, “Mohamud talked about doing something big in the United States. He wanted to go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.”

He allegedly trained with terrorists in Syria, but a cleric in Syria told Mohamud he should return to the United States and “carry out an act of terrorism,” according to the indictment.

2. New York Bomb Plot

Two Pakistani immigrants who received U.S citizenship were sentenced to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York. Raees Qazi and Sheheryar Qazi pleaded guilty in March and were sentenced in June to 35 years and 20 years respectively.

3. Chattanooga Attack

A Kuwaiti immigrant brought here by his family at a young age who became a citizen, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, carried out an attack this summer at a military recruiting center that killed four military personnel in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in July. He was killed the day of the shooting.

Abdulazeez was reportedly not in the U.S. database of suspected terrorists, but law enforcement believed he might have traveled to the Middle East in recent years.

4. Social Media Backing

In June, Ali Shukri Amin, a Sudanese immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, pleaded guilty to providing material support for the Islamic State. Recruited online, Amin, a resident of Manassas, Virginia, was a high school student who ran a pro-Islamic State Twitter account.

5. Bosnian Conspiracies

A Bosnian refugee couple was charged with donating money, supplies and smuggled arms to terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. In February, the couple, Ramiz Zijad Hodzic and Sedina Unkic Hodzic, pleaded not guilty in federal court in St. Louis.

They were among six Bosnian immigrants living in Missouri, Illinois and New York who were charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist organizations, including the Islamic State and the Nusra Front, an Al Qaeda affiliate. The Justice Department accused the couple of using Facebook, PayPal, Western Union and the U.S. Postal Service to coordinate the shipping of money and military equipment.

6. Machine Gun for Travel

In a case of three men prosecutors say were plotting to help the Islamic State, a Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status, Akhror Saidakhmetov, allegedly planned to buy a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they tried to prevent him from traveling to Syria to join the Islamic State.

He allegedly conspired with two citizens of Uzbekistan, Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev and Abror Habibov. Federal prosecutors said the three men pledged their allegiance to the Islamic State on Internet forums.

7. Propane Tank Bomb Plot

A Saudi Arabian immigrant with U.S. citizenship allegedly swore allegiance to the Islamic State and allegedly planned to explode a propane tank bomb in the United States, according to prosecutors.

During a sting operation at the home of Noelle Velentzas, 27, and Asia Siddiqui, 31, in New York, officers found three gas tanks, a pressure cooker, fertilizer, handwritten notes on recipes for bomb making and jihadist literature.

Siddiqui was born in Saudi Arabia but had U.S. citizenship. Federal prosecutors said she had a close relationship with Samir Khan, an American who actually became an al Qaeda leader in Yemen.

8. University and Court House

In April, El Mehdi Semlali Fathi, a Moroccan national who had come to the United States on student visa, which had since expired, was charged in Bridgeport, Connecticut, with plotting to blow up buildings at an unnamed university outside the state of Connecticut and a federal courthouse in Connecticut.

The FBI secretly recorded him talking about pliers, a cutter and wires in his home that he said were the materials for a bomb.

“Fathi stated in the recording that he would use airplanes, possibly toy planes to execute the bombing,” Special Agent Anabela Sharp said, according to ABC News. “Specifically, Fathi stated that he was going to use a plane, a remote-controlled hobby-type airplane, to deliver the bomb.”

9. Lying to the FBI

An Iraqi immigrant, Bilal Abood, who received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in May in Texas by the FBI for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to the Islamic State and his travels to Syria.

The FBI examined his computer and found that in June he wrote on Twitter, “I pledge obedience to the Caliphate Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.”

10. Raising Funds to Join the Islamic State

An Uzbek man in New York, Dilkhayot Kasimov, was charged in April with trying to encourage other Uzbekis to engage in terrorism and to raise money for terrorist groups abroad.

A government informant said that Kasimov sought to encourage others to join the Islamic State, and others involved purchased tickets to travel to Turkey. From there, they planned to slip into Syria and enlist, according to prosecutors. They raised $1,600 from several people.

and of course, this one



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/...n-the-u-s/

Knock it off...this is like the third time you've posted this same exact thing. And neither time has it provided anything to this discussion about Syrian refugees.

Not to mention the Boston Bombers weren't refugees!
http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/

It provides a lot to the discussion, but you keep being ignorant of the facts, keep drinking your obummer kool-aid

Commie Tom thinks Snopes is the Wizard of Oz, but when you pull the curtain back the people who run are probably big giant progs.

(11-23-2015 05:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 05:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:53 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Yep. Per this poll
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/terrorism...d=35327667
we have 43% that are incredibly stupid


Again, agree. Best example of this can be found here:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/

Second best can be found here:
http://csnbbs.com/user-5598.html

That's it? That's all you have? A childish link to my profile and the White house website? Really?

Maybe you can articulate why a refugee from Syria would post a threat to you or America in general? And can you provide any basis for that position? And try to do better than they might be a Muslim, mmmmkay?

Meanwhile, I'll use facts.

Quote:Of the 859,629 refugees admitted from 2001 onwards, only three have been convicted of planning terrorist attacks on targets outside of the United States, and none was successfully carried out. That is one terrorism-planning conviction for every 286,543 refugees that have been admitted. To put that in perspective, about 1 in every 22,541 Americans committed murder in 2014. The terrorist threat from Syrian refugees in the United States is hyperbolically over-exaggerated and we have very little to fear from them because the refugee vetting system is so thorough.

Syrian Refugees Don’t Pose a Serious Security Threat

And folks keep claiming that liberals suffer from mental illnesses?

I guess you keep forgetting this...

1. Syrian-American Aims for Military Base or Prison

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a Syrian immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, was charged with planning to go to a Texas military base and kill American soldiers execution style, or commit a crime at a prison. He reportedly trained with a terrorist group in Syria and said he wanted to “attack a military facility or a prison in the United States,” the New York Times reported.

The indictment said, “Mohamud talked about doing something big in the United States. He wanted to go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.”

He allegedly trained with terrorists in Syria, but a cleric in Syria told Mohamud he should return to the United States and “carry out an act of terrorism,” according to the indictment.

2. New York Bomb Plot

Two Pakistani immigrants who received U.S citizenship were sentenced to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York. Raees Qazi and Sheheryar Qazi pleaded guilty in March and were sentenced in June to 35 years and 20 years respectively.

3. Chattanooga Attack

A Kuwaiti immigrant brought here by his family at a young age who became a citizen, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, carried out an attack this summer at a military recruiting center that killed four military personnel in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in July. He was killed the day of the shooting.

Abdulazeez was reportedly not in the U.S. database of suspected terrorists, but law enforcement believed he might have traveled to the Middle East in recent years.

4. Social Media Backing

In June, Ali Shukri Amin, a Sudanese immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, pleaded guilty to providing material support for the Islamic State. Recruited online, Amin, a resident of Manassas, Virginia, was a high school student who ran a pro-Islamic State Twitter account.

5. Bosnian Conspiracies

A Bosnian refugee couple was charged with donating money, supplies and smuggled arms to terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. In February, the couple, Ramiz Zijad Hodzic and Sedina Unkic Hodzic, pleaded not guilty in federal court in St. Louis.

They were among six Bosnian immigrants living in Missouri, Illinois and New York who were charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist organizations, including the Islamic State and the Nusra Front, an Al Qaeda affiliate. The Justice Department accused the couple of using Facebook, PayPal, Western Union and the U.S. Postal Service to coordinate the shipping of money and military equipment.

6. Machine Gun for Travel

In a case of three men prosecutors say were plotting to help the Islamic State, a Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status, Akhror Saidakhmetov, allegedly planned to buy a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they tried to prevent him from traveling to Syria to join the Islamic State.

He allegedly conspired with two citizens of Uzbekistan, Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev and Abror Habibov. Federal prosecutors said the three men pledged their allegiance to the Islamic State on Internet forums.

7. Propane Tank Bomb Plot

A Saudi Arabian immigrant with U.S. citizenship allegedly swore allegiance to the Islamic State and allegedly planned to explode a propane tank bomb in the United States, according to prosecutors.

During a sting operation at the home of Noelle Velentzas, 27, and Asia Siddiqui, 31, in New York, officers found three gas tanks, a pressure cooker, fertilizer, handwritten notes on recipes for bomb making and jihadist literature.

Siddiqui was born in Saudi Arabia but had U.S. citizenship. Federal prosecutors said she had a close relationship with Samir Khan, an American who actually became an al Qaeda leader in Yemen.

8. University and Court House

In April, El Mehdi Semlali Fathi, a Moroccan national who had come to the United States on student visa, which had since expired, was charged in Bridgeport, Connecticut, with plotting to blow up buildings at an unnamed university outside the state of Connecticut and a federal courthouse in Connecticut.

The FBI secretly recorded him talking about pliers, a cutter and wires in his home that he said were the materials for a bomb.

“Fathi stated in the recording that he would use airplanes, possibly toy planes to execute the bombing,” Special Agent Anabela Sharp said, according to ABC News. “Specifically, Fathi stated that he was going to use a plane, a remote-controlled hobby-type airplane, to deliver the bomb.”

9. Lying to the FBI

An Iraqi immigrant, Bilal Abood, who received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in May in Texas by the FBI for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to the Islamic State and his travels to Syria.

The FBI examined his computer and found that in June he wrote on Twitter, “I pledge obedience to the Caliphate Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.”

10. Raising Funds to Join the Islamic State

An Uzbek man in New York, Dilkhayot Kasimov, was charged in April with trying to encourage other Uzbekis to engage in terrorism and to raise money for terrorist groups abroad.

A government informant said that Kasimov sought to encourage others to join the Islamic State, and others involved purchased tickets to travel to Turkey. From there, they planned to slip into Syria and enlist, according to prosecutors. They raised $1,600 from several people.

and of course, this one



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/...n-the-u-s/

Knock it off...this is like the third time you've posted this same exact thing. And neither time has it provided anything to this discussion about Syrian refugees.

Not to mention the Boston Bombers weren't refugees!
http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/

It provides a lot to the discussion, but you keep being ignorant of the facts, keep drinking your obummer kool-aid

Take away the ridiculous pic at the end and it's worthy of discussion. The Boston marathon bombers weren't refugees regardless of the meme saying they were.

(11-23-2015 11:39 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 05:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 05:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:53 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 04:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  That's it? That's all you have? A childish link to my profile and the White house website? Really?

Maybe you can articulate why a refugee from Syria would post a threat to you or America in general? And can you provide any basis for that position? And try to do better than they might be a Muslim, mmmmkay?

Meanwhile, I'll use facts.

Syrian Refugees Don’t Pose a Serious Security Threat

And folks keep claiming that liberals suffer from mental illnesses?

I guess you keep forgetting this...

1. Syrian-American Aims for Military Base or Prison

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a Syrian immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, was charged with planning to go to a Texas military base and kill American soldiers execution style, or commit a crime at a prison. He reportedly trained with a terrorist group in Syria and said he wanted to “attack a military facility or a prison in the United States,” the New York Times reported.

The indictment said, “Mohamud talked about doing something big in the United States. He wanted to go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.”

He allegedly trained with terrorists in Syria, but a cleric in Syria told Mohamud he should return to the United States and “carry out an act of terrorism,” according to the indictment.

2. New York Bomb Plot

Two Pakistani immigrants who received U.S citizenship were sentenced to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York. Raees Qazi and Sheheryar Qazi pleaded guilty in March and were sentenced in June to 35 years and 20 years respectively.

3. Chattanooga Attack

A Kuwaiti immigrant brought here by his family at a young age who became a citizen, Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, carried out an attack this summer at a military recruiting center that killed four military personnel in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in July. He was killed the day of the shooting.

Abdulazeez was reportedly not in the U.S. database of suspected terrorists, but law enforcement believed he might have traveled to the Middle East in recent years.

4. Social Media Backing

In June, Ali Shukri Amin, a Sudanese immigrant who became a U.S. citizen, pleaded guilty to providing material support for the Islamic State. Recruited online, Amin, a resident of Manassas, Virginia, was a high school student who ran a pro-Islamic State Twitter account.

5. Bosnian Conspiracies

A Bosnian refugee couple was charged with donating money, supplies and smuggled arms to terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. In February, the couple, Ramiz Zijad Hodzic and Sedina Unkic Hodzic, pleaded not guilty in federal court in St. Louis.

They were among six Bosnian immigrants living in Missouri, Illinois and New York who were charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist organizations, including the Islamic State and the Nusra Front, an Al Qaeda affiliate. The Justice Department accused the couple of using Facebook, PayPal, Western Union and the U.S. Postal Service to coordinate the shipping of money and military equipment.

6. Machine Gun for Travel

In a case of three men prosecutors say were plotting to help the Islamic State, a Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status, Akhror Saidakhmetov, allegedly planned to buy a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they tried to prevent him from traveling to Syria to join the Islamic State.

He allegedly conspired with two citizens of Uzbekistan, Abdurasul Hasanovich Juraboev and Abror Habibov. Federal prosecutors said the three men pledged their allegiance to the Islamic State on Internet forums.

7. Propane Tank Bomb Plot

A Saudi Arabian immigrant with U.S. citizenship allegedly swore allegiance to the Islamic State and allegedly planned to explode a propane tank bomb in the United States, according to prosecutors.

During a sting operation at the home of Noelle Velentzas, 27, and Asia Siddiqui, 31, in New York, officers found three gas tanks, a pressure cooker, fertilizer, handwritten notes on recipes for bomb making and jihadist literature.

Siddiqui was born in Saudi Arabia but had U.S. citizenship. Federal prosecutors said she had a close relationship with Samir Khan, an American who actually became an al Qaeda leader in Yemen.

8. University and Court House

In April, El Mehdi Semlali Fathi, a Moroccan national who had come to the United States on student visa, which had since expired, was charged in Bridgeport, Connecticut, with plotting to blow up buildings at an unnamed university outside the state of Connecticut and a federal courthouse in Connecticut.

The FBI secretly recorded him talking about pliers, a cutter and wires in his home that he said were the materials for a bomb.

“Fathi stated in the recording that he would use airplanes, possibly toy planes to execute the bombing,” Special Agent Anabela Sharp said, according to ABC News. “Specifically, Fathi stated that he was going to use a plane, a remote-controlled hobby-type airplane, to deliver the bomb.”

9. Lying to the FBI

An Iraqi immigrant, Bilal Abood, who received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in May in Texas by the FBI for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to the Islamic State and his travels to Syria.

The FBI examined his computer and found that in June he wrote on Twitter, “I pledge obedience to the Caliphate Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.”

10. Raising Funds to Join the Islamic State

An Uzbek man in New York, Dilkhayot Kasimov, was charged in April with trying to encourage other Uzbekis to engage in terrorism and to raise money for terrorist groups abroad.

A government informant said that Kasimov sought to encourage others to join the Islamic State, and others involved purchased tickets to travel to Turkey. From there, they planned to slip into Syria and enlist, according to prosecutors. They raised $1,600 from several people.

and of course, this one



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/...n-the-u-s/

Knock it off...this is like the third time you've posted this same exact thing. And neither time has it provided anything to this discussion about Syrian refugees.

Not to mention the Boston Bombers weren't refugees!
http://www.snopes.com/tsarnaev-refugees/

It provides a lot to the discussion, but you keep being ignorant of the facts, keep drinking your obummer kool-aid

Take away the ridiculous pic at the end and it's worthy of discussion. The Boston marathon bombers weren't refugees regardless of the meme saying they were.

Keep picking that nit.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/a...32298.html

Quote:What's the difference between asylum and refugee status under U.S. immigration laws -- that is, who should seek asylum status, and who should seek refugee status? It's simply a matter of where you are when you apply. People outside of the United States must apply for refugee status. People who have already made it to the U.S. border or the interior (perhaps by using a visa or by entering illegally) can apply for asylum status.
Once granted, both statuses allow you to stay in the United States indefinitely. Asylees and refugees are given permission to work and are allowed to apply for a green card (within one year of either entering the United States as a refugee or being approved for asylum).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...story.html

Quote:The family lived in Tokmok, a town of about 55,000 people in northern Kyrgyzstan, near the border with Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz National State Security Committee said in a statement Friday. Kyrgyz officials said the family left the country about 12 years ago for Dagestan, and after a year there immigrated to the United States.

Anzor Tsarnaev and his wife successfully applied for asylum status after arriving in the United States in 2002. Their two sons and two daughters followed a short time later with an aunt.

They came here with a tourist visa. Then applied for asylum. It's not picking nits as you say. It's a pretty significant difference.

(11-24-2015 12:19 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  They came here with a tourist visa. Then applied for asylum. It's not picking nits as you say. It's a pretty significant difference.

Not according to the people who should know the difference.

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c137.html

Quote:The terms asylum-seeker and refugee are often confused: an asylum-seeker is someone who says he or she is a refugee, but whose claim has not yet been definitively evaluated. On average, about 1 million people seek asylum on an individual basis every year. In mid-2014, there were more than 1.2 million asylum-seekers.

http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c125.html

Quote:The 1951 Refugee Convention spells out that a refugee is someone who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country."

But I guess you know better than the United Nations agency who's sole purpose is to deal with these people.


Again...keep picking that nit.

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These same folks that don't see any problem with killing unborn American babies, Complaining about lack of jobs, Not enough shelters for American Homeless, Access for affordable Healthcare, A Rising Heroin addiction problem among Americans as well as many other problems, have No problem allowing a huge amount of Illegal Aliens to cross Our borders. And now They want to bring in Thousands more unemployed refugees that have No trace of Whom or What They are. They could be harboring hundreds of Islamic radicals among Them to an already overburdened system here. We, the Working people cannot afford any more non productive people that will eventually collapse what We have left. The United Nations surely can place Them elsewhere safe. Another Question, Why is it that groups like Catholic Charities can find homes and food and jobs for these relocated people but let Homeless Veterans live on the Streets of the very country They laid Their lives on the line for ? We need to take care of Americans first before any left over money leaves here.

(11-24-2015 01:28 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  These same folks that don't see any problem with killing unborn American babies, Complaining about lack of jobs, Not enough shelters for American Homeless, Access for affordable Healthcare, A Rising Heroin addiction problem among Americans as well as many other problems, have No problem allowing a huge amount of Illegal Aliens to cross Our borders. And now They want to bring in Thousands more unemployed refugees that have No trace of Whom or What They are. They could be harboring hundreds of Islamic radicals among Them to an already overburdened system here. We, the Working people cannot afford any more non productive people that will eventually collapse what We have left. The United Nations surely can place Them elsewhere safe. Another Question, Why is it that groups like Catholic Charities can find homes and food and jobs for these relocated people but let Homeless Veterans live on the Streets of the very country They laid Their lives on the line for ? We need to take care of Americans first before any left over money leaves here.

Wow. I don't have time to debunk this rambling gob of misinformation, so I'll just touch on a couple.

1. Being pro-choice, wanting abortion to be legal and safe for others who want to make the choice to have them, in no way means we have no problem with the amount of abortions. I wish there were none.

2. It only took a second to find some information on Veterans services provided by and through Catholic Charities...so no clue why you're attacking them. Here's some info on just one of their many activities:

Quote:Cooke's Manor/Hines
A transitional housing program in an alcohol/drug- free environment for men, giving priority to veterans. Most residents are homeless due to alcoholism and drug addiction. The facility provides 40 private rooms in a building located on the Veterans Administration campus. The programming includes structured days, balanced meals in a communal dining area, rehabilitative work training, individual counseling, recovery groups, holistic education, pre-employment training, employment opportunities including assistance with resumes and job placement, and assistance with permanent housing placement. Minimal rent is charged. Veterans are required to have completed an inpatient treatment program or had a successful period of sobriety.

VETERANS SERVICES

(11-24-2015 01:28 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Why is it that groups like Catholic Charities can find homes and food and jobs for these relocated people but let Homeless Veterans live on the Streets of the very country They laid Their lives on the line for ?

Why don't you take the log out of your own eye first and look to your church to even do 1% of the charity work the Catholic Church does? Or are you just going to perpetually complain that the Catholics don't do enough even though we do the most?

Using the veterans for your feels card. Get out of here with that nonsense and get a clue.

Really conservative of you to want to demand where other people's donated money ends up. Muh irony.