Should the 4th spot come down to these 2 teams, and one is picked over the other, would that spark realignment?

Notre Dame join the ACC knowing they won't get in without a conference championship?

Big 12 left out again to accept new teams? Or see Oklahoma jump somewhere else?

Can't see ND getting left out at 11-1. If they lose another game, then their fans will just say "ok, fair enough - better luck next year".

If OU gets left out at 11-1, they will leave the XII the following Monday.

Everyone talks about adding Cincy and Houston or whatever to the B12. How does that magically answer your problem? It doesn't. The only thing that solves the problem for the B12 is for them to find another P5 conference to belong to or beef up their OOC.

(11-18-2015 03:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Everyone talks about adding Cincy and Houston or whatever to the B12. How does that magically answer your problem? It doesn't. The only thing that solves the problem for the B12 is for them to find another P5 conference to belong to or beef up their OOC.

Championship game...their current disadvantage.

(11-18-2015 03:03 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  Should the 4th spot come down to these 2 teams, and one is picked over the other, would that spark realignment?

Notre Dame join the ACC knowing they won't get in without a conference championship?

Big 12 left out again to accept new teams? Or see Oklahoma jump somewhere else?

ND won't do anything. Their school *identity* is tied up with independence and the alums there have greater direct power over the school's actions than arguably any other power school.

OU may want to jump, but not because of the playoffs. The reasons why OU would want to jump are long-term stability, TV money and other completely off-the-field issues. It is also dependent upon other factors (i.e. if they have to take Oklahoma State with them from a political perspective, then their options evaporate).

The Big 12 might ultimately add schools, but once again, the playoffs are only part of the equation. Maximizing TV money is the #1 concern with respect to P5 expansion.

(11-18-2015 03:29 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 03:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Everyone talks about adding Cincy and Houston or whatever to the B12. How does that magically answer your problem? It doesn't. The only thing that solves the problem for the B12 is for them to find another P5 conference to belong to or beef up their OOC.

Championship game...their current disadvantage.

Deregulation. Stage it with 10 teams.

(11-18-2015 03:34 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 03:03 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  Should the 4th spot come down to these 2 teams, and one is picked over the other, would that spark realignment?

Notre Dame join the ACC knowing they won't get in without a conference championship?

Big 12 left out again to accept new teams? Or see Oklahoma jump somewhere else?

ND won't do anything. Their school *identity* is tied up with independence and the alums there have greater direct power over the school's actions than arguably any other power school.

OU may want to jump, but not because of the playoffs. The reasons why OU would want to jump are long-term stability, TV money and other completely off-the-field issues. It is also dependent upon other factors (i.e. if they have to take Oklahoma State with them from a political perspective, then their options evaporate).

The Big 12 might ultimately add schools, but once again, the playoffs are only part of the equation. Maximizing TV money is the #1 concern with respect to P5 expansion.

I can find nothing to disagree with here.

As far as I can tell, the only thing that would push ND out is if they were undefeated and STILL left out. They seem to be the one school that accepts that once you lose a game, you can blame no one else but yourself for your (post season) fate.

It all revolves around money. Make the compelling argument that exclusion comes at a price to some but a benefit to others, and you might see some kind of chatter or due diligence on the matter.

I want to see how far we've fallen as a country should schools like Oklahoma, State, and maybe Texas withdraw from their arrangement, finding millions of dollars to do something really trivial when so many bigger and more important things plague the planet. Or, not even that that broad: how many issues plague the college students as debt holders today and in the future. The financial underbelly of higher education should make a lot of people seethe. Long overdue for an accountability check.

If ND and OU both win out, ND is in, OU is out. The UT common game opponent comparison is all the committee needs to justify it.

And if that happens, OU is on the phones with the B1G next day. It's everything OU's staff and president wants and they can legitimately tell the OK legislature that this is a huge opportunity for OU to become AAU so its not fair that OSU hold them back from it, especially as they are still (for a few more days) in a Power Conference.

They then ask if KU and UT would care to join them.

(11-18-2015 04:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If ND and OU both win out, ND is in, OU is out. The UT common game opponent comparison is all the committee needs to justify it.

And if that happens, OU is on the phones with the B1G next day. It's everything OU's staff and president wants and they can legitimately tell the OK legislature that this is a huge opportunity for OU to become AAU so its not fair that OSU hold them back from it, especially as they are still (for a few more days) in a Power Conference.

They then ask if KU and UT would care to join them.

Being in the B1G doesn't get you AAU. Ask Nebraska.

There are many schools well ahead of OU, on the AAU waiting list.


OU should move to the SEC. That's the best match.

(11-18-2015 05:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 04:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If ND and OU both win out, ND is in, OU is out. The UT common game opponent comparison is all the committee needs to justify it.

And if that happens, OU is on the phones with the B1G next day. It's everything OU's staff and president wants and they can legitimately tell the OK legislature that this is a huge opportunity for OU to become AAU so its not fair that OSU hold them back from it, especially as they are still (for a few more days) in a Power Conference.

They then ask if KU and UT would care to join them.

Being in the B1G doesn't get you AAU. Ask Nebraska.

There are many schools well ahead of OU, on the AAU waiting list.


OU should move to the SEC. That's the best match.

Agreed.

The question then becomes, who does the SEC take with them....and where does Texas go?

kansas shouldn't have a problem finding a landing spot, but the rest of the conference would be left screwed.

(11-18-2015 05:09 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  Agreed.

The question then becomes, who does the SEC take with them....and where does Texas go?

kansas shouldn't have a problem finding a landing spot, but the rest of the conference would be left screwed.

I think the SEC goes after Texas first, but then Kansas as the backup. What about Nebraska?

(11-18-2015 05:09 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 05:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 04:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If ND and OU both win out, ND is in, OU is out. The UT common game opponent comparison is all the committee needs to justify it.

And if that happens, OU is on the phones with the B1G next day. It's everything OU's staff and president wants and they can legitimately tell the OK legislature that this is a huge opportunity for OU to become AAU so its not fair that OSU hold them back from it, especially as they are still (for a few more days) in a Power Conference.

They then ask if KU and UT would care to join them.

Being in the B1G doesn't get you AAU. Ask Nebraska.

There are many schools well ahead of OU, on the AAU waiting list.


OU should move to the SEC. That's the best match.

Agreed.

The question then becomes, who does the SEC take with them....and where does Texas go?

kansas shouldn't have a problem finding a landing spot, but the rest of the conference would be left screwed.

Texas won't go to the SEC in this situation: they would go independent (there's more money in it for them) and ACC for all other sports with ND-like arrangement. The three best choices left for the SEC would be Kansas, West Virginia, and Oklahoma State. If Okie decides it has to have Ok St. with it, I think the SEC would still bite.

Without Oklahoma or A&M rivalries, I think Texas strongly considers independence.

Perhaps Texas looks to Notre Dame it with the ACC.

Or, the American could be a darkhorse option for Texas, if the Big 12 leftovers aren't willing to let Texas keep Olympic sports parked there.

(11-18-2015 03:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Everyone talks about adding Cincy and Houston or whatever to the B12. How does that magically answer your problem? It doesn't. The only thing that solves the problem for the B12 is for them to find another P5 conference to belong to or beef up their OOC.

Honestly, the Big XII's round robin scheduling, while great in some aspects, really does hurt them in terms of the playoff picture. It's really hard to get a couple elite teams using the round robin format. You have to pray someone makes it through the gauntlet undefeated without slipping up to a mediocre team. It's easier said than done.

If the Big XII really does get pro rata money from FOX for expansion, then it might finally make enough sense to them. They have to split some sources of income more ways, but there are a few additional streams of income they could use to offset that. In the end, I feel like that would be a win for the conference.

The Big XII will continue to have some hard choices to make. I actually respect them for sticking to their model (love that everyone plays everyone), I just think they need to consider the cost of that.

(11-18-2015 05:09 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 05:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 04:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  If ND and OU both win out, ND is in, OU is out. The UT common game opponent comparison is all the committee needs to justify it.

And if that happens, OU is on the phones with the B1G next day. It's everything OU's staff and president wants and they can legitimately tell the OK legislature that this is a huge opportunity for OU to become AAU so its not fair that OSU hold them back from it, especially as they are still (for a few more days) in a Power Conference.

They then ask if KU and UT would care to join them.

Being in the B1G doesn't get you AAU. Ask Nebraska.

There are many schools well ahead of OU, on the AAU waiting list.


OU should move to the SEC. That's the best match.

Agreed.

The question then becomes, who does the SEC take with them....and where does Texas go?

kansas shouldn't have a problem finding a landing spot, but the rest of the conference would be left screwed.

SEC takes OU and West Virginia.

Texas goes independent in football. That is its destiny. They require too much control to be admitted into any other P5 conference, at this point.

B1G could take Kansas, plus an Eastern school.

If Oklahoma is on the bubble and loses out to Notre Dame, I fail to see how that demonstrates that the Big 12 is disadvantaged by not having a CCG. Last time I looked, Notre Dame doesn't have a CCG either.

If the committee decides that the Sooners' loss to Texas is worse than the Irish loss to Clemson, so be it. As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Let's not try to make it more than that.

(11-18-2015 08:46 PM)ken d Wrote:  If Oklahoma is on the bubble and loses out to Notre Dame, I fail to see how that demonstrates that the Big 12 is disadvantaged by not having a CCG. Last time I looked, Notre Dame doesn't have a CCG either.

If the committee decides that the Sooners' loss to Texas is worse than the Irish loss to Clemson, so be it. As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Let's not try to make it more than that.

On the other hand, it means that the 11-1 SEC champ (regular season) gets into the playoff while the 11-1 XII champ doesn't.

Time to switch conferences.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/spor...dd48b85f1.html.


It could be the catalyst for 4 x 16.