One thing I disagree with allowing Notre Dame in. The playoffs are more automatic for conference champs. Since Notre Dame is Independent? They do not deserve special treatment. Just treat them like another G5 school until they join a conference.

Adding any of the schools from MWC and AAC that have a strong football team could help boast the Big 12. Houston is a much better team than Lamar, SMU and Rice.

(11-18-2015 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  Without Oklahoma or A&M rivalries, I think Texas strongly considers independence.

Perhaps Texas looks to Notre Dame it with the ACC.

Or, the American could be a darkhorse option for Texas, if the Big 12 leftovers aren't willing to let Texas keep Olympic sports parked there.

Texas sticking its Olympic sports in the American, now I've heard it all.

It sounds like Oklahoma is in a unique position here. They aren't 100% pleased with the B12 and can actually do something about it.

They go and I see Houston as the replacement. That will keep Texas happy to add a subservient school.

(11-18-2015 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  Without Oklahoma or A&M rivalries, I think Texas strongly considers independence.

Perhaps Texas looks to Notre Dame it with the ACC.

If they seriously looked at independence, talking to the ACC about a scheduling agreement would be the first thing on their agenda. Getting late season games at home against P5 competition is a tough ask for an independent without a scheduling agreement.

Quote: Or, the American could be a darkhorse option for Texas, if the Big 12 leftovers aren't willing to let Texas keep Olympic sports parked there.

That horse is so dark, when you shine the light in its direction, turns out it was nothing but shadows.

(11-18-2015 05:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 05:09 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  Agreed.

The question then becomes, who does the SEC take with them....and where does Texas go?

kansas shouldn't have a problem finding a landing spot, but the rest of the conference would be left screwed.

I think the SEC goes after Texas first, but then Kansas as the backup. What about Nebraska?

I would love a pod consisting of Oklahoma, Nebraska, Missouri, and Arkansas.

We need a P6 with no independents allowed in the division. They play off would consist of the 6 conference champions and the 2 highest ranked teams that are not conference champions.

Oklahoma wont join the SEC for similar reasons to why UNC did not.

(11-18-2015 09:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/spor...dd48b85f1.html.


It could be the catalyst for 4 x 16.

bad link?

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/j...b85f1.html


I'll try again, see if this works better.

I think OU and KU would be fantastic additions in the SEC West. You'd have to swing an additional body out east though, so if you want to keep Auburn/Bama together, you can ship both of them East and put Mizzou back west, leading to further imbalance of the conference. I still think it would be very serviceable and competitive.

(11-19-2015 08:00 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Oklahoma wont join the SEC for similar reasons to why UNC did not.

UNC won't join the SEC (unless their backs are to the wall) because they look down their nose at what they think are academically deficient and culturally backward (i.e., redneck) institutions.

I seriously doubt Oklahoma, with their #108 US News Ranking and a student body made up of prairie dogs, does the same.

No, it will spur talk of expanding the playoff though.

(11-18-2015 09:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  One thing I disagree with allowing Notre Dame in. The playoffs are more automatic for conference champs. Since Notre Dame is Independent? They do not deserve special treatment. Just treat them like another G5 school until they join a conference.

Adding any of the schools from MWC and AAC that have a strong football team could help boast the Big 12. Houston is a much better team than Lamar, SMU and Rice.

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?


"The playoffs are more automatic for conference champs."

I am not really sure what this sentence is supposed to mean, but can you back that up?

Citation? Proof? No, you have none, just your opinion.

So, I guess having Jack Swabrick on the playoff committee and picked to announce the playoff structure to the public was some kind of P5 ruse?

ND is part of the playoff structure whether guys like you agree or disagree.

There is no "special treatment" here. ND was part of the playoff plan from the beginning and was always meant to be so.

(11-19-2015 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  No, it will spur talk of expanding the playoff though.

Honestly, I believe that is more likely in terms of an actual reaction to the CFP. There's going to be a certain point where each of the P5 conferences are going to want guaranteed auto-bids, and that will pushed when each of the P5 conferences eventually gets left out in a particular season. That could very well happen to both the Pac-12 and Big 12 this year if Notre Dame takes a spot.

Realignment is generally driven by factors that are much more high-level than the playoff.

(11-19-2015 09:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 08:00 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Oklahoma wont join the SEC for similar reasons to why UNC did not.

UNC won't join the SEC (unless their backs are to the wall) because they look down their nose at what they think are academically deficient and culturally backward (i.e., redneck) institutions.

I seriously doubt Oklahoma, with their #108 US News Ranking and a student body made up of prairie dogs, does the same.

Exactly correct.

Boren might dream of being AAU and a top research university. But they're not.

They don't have a place in the B1G. Sorry, H1.


And I doubt the PAC has any interest in the Central timezone with just Okla. schools and non-flagship Texas schools (I know, I know - flame away).


ACC is also too far. Plus, as you already said, the core ACC is as high academic as the B1G. Again, no place for OU.


SEC is their only option to escape.

(11-19-2015 09:55 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  No, it will spur talk of expanding the playoff though.

Honestly, I believe that is more likely in terms of an actual reaction to the CFP. There's going to be a certain point where each of the P5 conferences are going to want guaranteed auto-bids, and that will pushed when each of the P5 conferences eventually gets left out in a particular season. That could very well happen to both the Pac-12 and Big 12 this year if Notre Dame takes a spot.

Realignment is generally driven by factors that are much more high-level than the playoff.

You dream as much as Boren, I guess.

CFP will not expand in its 12 years. That door is already slammed shut and welded.


Maybe CFP II.

(11-19-2015 10:40 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 09:55 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  No, it will spur talk of expanding the playoff though.

Honestly, I believe that is more likely in terms of an actual reaction to the CFP. There's going to be a certain point where each of the P5 conferences are going to want guaranteed auto-bids, and that will pushed when each of the P5 conferences eventually gets left out in a particular season. That could very well happen to both the Pac-12 and Big 12 this year if Notre Dame takes a spot.

Realignment is generally driven by factors that are much more high-level than the playoff.

You dream as much as Boren, I guess.

CFP will not expand in its 12 years. That door is already slammed shut and welded.


Maybe CFP II.

With the potential money involved and how higher education budgets continue to get slashed (especially at the large public universities that make up the majority of the P5), I wouldn't assume a single thing about the door being shut. The presidents and commissioners will deny that they'll move on it until the day that they actually move on it. (Sort of like how Jim Delany said that he would warn a conference that the Big Ten was poaching from ahead of time, which entailed him telling the Big 12 that Nebraska was joining the Big Ten a few hours before the press conference to announce the move.) Remember that the 4-team playoff was *completely* dead less than 12 months before they ended up agreeing to it (with the Big Ten and Pac-12 both stating that they would supposedly *never* agree to more than the BCS). With the money involved, things can certainly change.

I could see the big 12 expand to 12 and the playoffs expand to 8 with 5 auto bids to the P5 leagues.

(11-19-2015 12:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:40 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 09:55 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 09:41 AM)esayem Wrote:  No, it will spur talk of expanding the playoff though.

Honestly, I believe that is more likely in terms of an actual reaction to the CFP. There's going to be a certain point where each of the P5 conferences are going to want guaranteed auto-bids, and that will pushed when each of the P5 conferences eventually gets left out in a particular season. That could very well happen to both the Pac-12 and Big 12 this year if Notre Dame takes a spot.

Realignment is generally driven by factors that are much more high-level than the playoff.

You dream as much as Boren, I guess.

CFP will not expand in its 12 years. That door is already slammed shut and welded.


Maybe CFP II.

With the potential money involved and how higher education budgets continue to get slashed (especially at the large public universities that make up the majority of the P5), I wouldn't assume a single thing about the door being shut. The presidents and commissioners will deny that they'll move on it until the day that they actually move on it. (Sort of like how Jim Delany said that he would warn a conference that the Big Ten was poaching from ahead of time, which entailed him telling the Big 12 that Nebraska was joining the Big Ten a few hours before the press conference to announce the move.) Remember that the 4-team playoff was *completely* dead less than 12 months before they ended up agreeing to it (with the Big Ten and Pac-12 both stating that they would supposedly *never* agree to more than the BCS). With the money involved, things can certainly change.

CFP was negotiated years before the end of the BCS.

Likewise, CFP II will be negotiated years before the end of the CFP.


There's just no time to consider mid-term changes. Universities aren't going to evaporate in 5 years. There's plenty of time to consider all the "money being left on the table" for CFP II.

Lots of things can happen in 12 years. We are more likely to have a P4 and a new division all together before they expand this thing as is.

(11-19-2015 02:16 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Lots of things can happen in 12 years. We are more likely to have a P4 and a new division all together before they expand this thing as is.

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