Iowa #5, Ok St #6, OU #7, UF #8. Full top 25 is here.

This sums it up.

Quote:Ralph D. Russo
‏@ralphDrussoAP

This is Oklahoma vs. Notre Dame. That's going to be the debate, unless Oklahoma State wins out and bumps both.

If the BCS were still with us, the BCS standings would have the same teams in the top 8, only difference is that CFP has 4-5-6 as ND-Iowa-Ok St and BCS would have it Ok St-ND-Iowa.

With two games left w/ rivalry week to come, I think that there will be a team or two that's in tonight that won't be in the final field.

I don't really see much of debate between OU and ND if both are 11-1. No way ND doesn't get in out of those 2 if one of them is getting left out. I don't see OU bumping a 1 lose big 10 or sec school so OU needs clemson to lose if ND, big 10 and SEc champs are all 1 loss or better.

Navy keeps helping ND. If Navy beats Houston on the road they could potentially finish in the top 10.

(11-17-2015 10:22 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  With two games left w/ rivalry week to come, I think that there will be a team or two that's in tonight that won't be in the final field.

Still have two weeks to go and conference title games. That is a lot of football to go.

Only team that I don't see losing for sure is Bama, but you never know.

My take away Wedge is that North Carolina didn't budge but one position. I don't see them getting in even if they beat Clemson because they don't have any great games before they play the Tigers. So a Clemson loss means the ACC is out. Also, N.D. still has a rough road game to get past in California.

What the committee has done is to make sure that the winner of Oklahoma State Baylor is in great position and that the Sooners and Bears or Cowboys will be waiting in the wings should either Clemson or N.D. (or any of them) falter.

It is still set up to give the networks what they want.

And to Quo, nobody knows what the Buckeyes have until they finally play Michigan and the Spartans.

(11-17-2015 11:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  My take away Wedge is that North Carolina didn't budge but one position. I don't see them getting in even if they beat Clemson because they don't have any great games before they play the Tigers. So a Clemson loss means the ACC is out.

No doubt about that. UNC has a putrid loss against 3-7 South Carolina, zero quality OOC wins, has played TWO games against FCS teams (!!) and has played the softest imaginable ACC schedule, with no Clemson or FSU (or Notre Dame in the rotation).

Merely beating Clemson won't be nearly good enough to get UNC in. All the ACC chips are on Clemson to make the playoffs.

(11-18-2015 12:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 11:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  My take away Wedge is that North Carolina didn't budge but one position. I don't see them getting in even if they beat Clemson because they don't have any great games before they play the Tigers. So a Clemson loss means the ACC is out.

No doubt about that. UNC has a putrid loss against 3-7 South Carolina, zero quality OOC wins, has played TWO games against FCS teams (!!) and has played the softest imaginable ACC schedule, with no Clemson or FSU (or Notre Dame in the rotation).

Merely beating Clemson won't be nearly good enough to get UNC in. All the ACC chips are on Clemson to make the playoffs.

I'm not saying it will happen but how redemptive would it be if South Carolina begins this season with a win over one ACC division champion, and ends it with a win over the other? Maybe then XLance's fantasy of getting the Gamecocks back into the ACC might be a thought in Columbia? After all it would mean that a school that couldn't make a bowl game in the SEC was better than both division champs of the ACC.

Like I said it certainly isn't likely, but then neither is it impossible.

UNC won't get in if they beat Clemson, even at 12-1 with a 12-game winning streak.

For almost everyone else, there are questions.

Florida might not get in at 12-1. If there are two spots left and it's Notre Dame, Oklahoma, and Florida all with one loss, or Okla. St. undefeated and ND and UF with one loss, I think Florida is out.

Would Michigan State really jump into the top 4 if they win out? Why would we be sure that MSU could jump from 9 to 4 but Baylor can't jump from 10 to 4?

The teams from #11 on down need at least 7 losses to happen above them, maybe more. The good news for them is that there will be at least 5 more losses amongst the top 10, and at least 8 more losses amongst the top 14. At least a couple of teams are going to move up, it's only a question of how far.

(11-18-2015 12:07 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I'm not saying it will happen but how redemptive would it be if South Carolina begins this season with a win over one ACC division champion, and ends it with a win over the other?

Not very redemptive, IMO, wouldn't compensate for all the losses. But it would be a neat trivia thing and of course beating your in-state rival is always great.

Won't happen, but if it did ...

(11-18-2015 01:06 AM)Wedge Wrote:  UNC won't get in if they beat Clemson, even at 12-1 with a 12-game winning streak.

For almost everyone else, there are questions.

Florida might not get in at 12-1. If there are two spots left and it's Notre Dame, Oklahoma, and Florida all with one loss, or Okla. St. undefeated and ND and UF with one loss, I think Florida is out.

Would Michigan State really jump into the top 4 if they win out? Why would we be sure that MSU could jump from 9 to 4 but Baylor can't jump from 10 to 4?

The teams from #11 on down need at least 7 losses to happen above them, maybe more. The good news for them is that there will be at least 5 more losses amongst the top 10, and at least 8 more losses amongst the top 14. At least a couple of teams are going to move up, it's only a question of how far.

Since both team would be playing 2 ranked teams, Michigan St. would have played 2 top 5 teams to win the Big 10. Baylor has #6 and #18. But then again, MSU will have a 12th win where Baylor has 11 wins. That'll be the difference once again as the committee did last year.

(11-17-2015 10:13 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Iowa #5, Ok St #6, OU #7, UF #8. Full top 25 is here.

This sums it up.

Quote:Ralph D. Russo
‏@ralphDrussoAP

This is Oklahoma vs. Notre Dame. That's going to be the debate, unless Oklahoma State wins out and bumps both.

If the BCS were still with us, the BCS standings would have the same teams in the top 8, only difference is that CFP has 4-5-6 as ND-Iowa-Ok St and BCS would have it Ok St-ND-Iowa.

i) correct. Alabama, Ohio St/Iowa, Clemson and Notre Dame/OU/OK St. That's your playoff this year.

ii) stop it with the damn BCS.

The world has moved on from obsolete technology. Yeah, maybe if electricity wasn't invented, we'd be sending smoke signals and stone tablets. But it was, and we moved on. So stop.

If there was no committee rankings, the BCS rankings would be different, because the CFP rankings have clearly influenced the coaches poll, and other human polls.

The BCS rankings are almost the same because the other human polls have pretty much fallen in line with the CFP rankings.

MSU is probably in if they run the table. They will vault both OSU and Iowa. They would just need Okie St or ND to lose another game I guess. Then you'd go 1. Clemson, 2. SEC Champ, 3. Okie St/ND/ 4. MSU.

OU needs an Iowa loss followed by an Iowa win in the title game, or they need OSU to lose a really ugly game against Michigan.

Looks like the committee is going to setup where the B1G can get 2 teams in, if OSU and Iowa play a very close game. Clemson, Bama, Iowa and OSU. Iowa would be 12-1 which is still better than a 1 loss Big 12 and ND.

(11-18-2015 11:26 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Looks like the committee is going to setup where the B1G can get 2 teams in, if OSU and Iowa play a very close game. Clemson, Bama, Iowa and OSU. Iowa would be 12-1 which is still better than a 1 loss Big 12 and ND.

not a chance on that side. It'd be more possible if Iowa wins and Ohio St loses- but that would be an extreme long shot.

(11-18-2015 11:03 AM)goofus Wrote:  If there was no committee rankings, the BCS rankings would be different, because the CFP rankings have clearly influenced the coaches poll, and other human polls.

The BCS rankings are almost the same because the other human polls have pretty much fallen in line with the CFP rankings.

That's a great point. Coaches' poll is a farce anyway. And so was any system using it.

Time to move on.

You will never have a better one loss team that ND this year if they get it done. I understand they haven't been blowing anybody out, but a 2 pt loss on the road to the number one team? That is as close to undefeated without being undefeated as you can get. If there was ever a year the Big 12 would get completely screwed over, its this year with this ND team. But Okie St has its work cut out for them. I personally think they get in if they win their ball games. Stanford at two losses (and inevitably 3 if not 4) hurts ND.

(11-19-2015 07:37 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  You will never have a better one loss team that ND this year if they get it done. I understand they haven't been blowing anybody out, but a 2 pt loss on the road to the number one team? That is as close to undefeated without being undefeated as you can get. If there was ever a year the Big 12 would get completely screwed over, its this year with this ND team. But Okie St has its work cut out for them. I personally think they get in if they win their ball games. Stanford at two losses (and inevitably 3 if not 4) hurts ND.

They (the XII) screwed themselves over. No other way to put it.

Oklahoma this year is Baylor last year.
Oklahoma St this year is TCU last year.

(that is, after OU and OK St both win this week and then OU beats OK St next week)

(11-19-2015 10:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 07:37 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  You will never have a better one loss team that ND this year if they get it done. I understand they haven't been blowing anybody out, but a 2 pt loss on the road to the number one team? That is as close to undefeated without being undefeated as you can get. If there was ever a year the Big 12 would get completely screwed over, its this year with this ND team. But Okie St has its work cut out for them. I personally think they get in if they win their ball games. Stanford at two losses (and inevitably 3 if not 4) hurts ND.

They (the XII) screwed themselves over. No other way to put it.

Oklahoma this year is Baylor last year.
Oklahoma St this year is TCU last year.

(that is, after OU and OK St both win this week and then OU beats OK St next week)

HUGE difference though. Oklahoma played Tennessee OOC. And even frankly Tulsa and Akron, who should both be bowl eligible. That's a far cry from Baylor last year who played SMU and Buffalo last year, along with FCS Northwestern St. instead of one of the worst OOC schedules, one of the best OOC schedules.