(11-19-2015 10:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 10:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 07:37 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  You will never have a better one loss team that ND this year if they get it done. I understand they haven't been blowing anybody out, but a 2 pt loss on the road to the number one team? That is as close to undefeated without being undefeated as you can get. If there was ever a year the Big 12 would get completely screwed over, its this year with this ND team. But Okie St has its work cut out for them. I personally think they get in if they win their ball games. Stanford at two losses (and inevitably 3 if not 4) hurts ND.

They (the XII) screwed themselves over. No other way to put it.

Oklahoma this year is Baylor last year.
Oklahoma St this year is TCU last year.

(that is, after OU and OK St both win this week and then OU beats OK St next week)

HUGE difference though. Oklahoma played Tennessee OOC. And even frankly Tulsa and Akron, who should both be bowl eligible. That's a far cry from Baylor last year who played SMU and Buffalo last year, along with FCS Northwestern St. instead of one of the worst OOC schedules, one of the best OOC schedules.

That's great and all. Maybe OU would've gotten in last year.

But this is this year. OU loses out to ND, and Boren loses his s___. OU leaves the XII for the SEC, where they should be with A&M and Ark.

Expect Oklahoma State to jump to number 4 with a win

(11-20-2015 03:05 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Expect Oklahoma State to jump to number 4 with a win

Even if ND wins?

I don't think so.

The thing is, if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, things could get really interesting. Especially if Stanford wins and moves into the top 10. Both teams would have 1 game left. Oklahoma St vs Oklahoma and Notre Dame vs Stanford. Both Oklahoma and Stanford being top 10 teams.

I think you would almost have to say- if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, they aren't going to jump ND.

(11-20-2015 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, things could get really interesting. Especially if Stanford wins and moves into the top 10. Both teams would have 1 game left. Oklahoma St vs Oklahoma and Notre Dame vs Stanford. Both Oklahoma and Stanford being top 10 teams.

I think you would almost have to say- if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, they aren't going to jump ND.

Wrong... the strength of those two victories together puts them over the top. The committee is just waiting until their hand is forced and they will flip flop once the season plays out. It will take something akin to last year, 59-0 ND over Stanford, and Okie St to look extremely ugly in victory for things to remain as is, otherwise Okie St will be last year's OSU and jump ND (just as TCU fell out the last week in 2014).

Oops, I apologize. I read "Oklahoma", in vodka's post, not "Oklahoma St".

Does OK St jump to #4 with a win, even if ND wins (and assuming #1 - #3 win)?

That's impossible to predict. Stever probably said it about as best as you can say.

(11-20-2015 03:36 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, things could get really interesting. Especially if Stanford wins and moves into the top 10. Both teams would have 1 game left. Oklahoma St vs Oklahoma and Notre Dame vs Stanford. Both Oklahoma and Stanford being top 10 teams.

I think you would almost have to say- if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, they aren't going to jump ND.

Wrong... the strength of those two victories together puts them over the top. The committee is just waiting until their hand is forced and they will flip flop once the season plays out. It will take something akin to last year, 59-0 ND over Stanford, and Okie St to look extremely ugly in victory for things to remain as is, otherwise Okie St will be last year's OSU and jump ND (just as TCU fell out the last week).

But like OSU's problem- Oklahoma wins this week and TCU is out of the top 25. Oklahoma St would have then 1 top 25 win. And the thing is, next week- ND and OSU have pretty close to the same level opponent. So if OSU doesn't jump ND this week- going to be hard for them to do so next week.

Sorry, but just because OSU is undefeated doesn't mean they're automatic for the playoffs. This committee has proved they don't give a rip about being undefeated.

(11-20-2015 03:36 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, things could get really interesting. Especially if Stanford wins and moves into the top 10. Both teams would have 1 game left. Oklahoma St vs Oklahoma and Notre Dame vs Stanford. Both Oklahoma and Stanford being top 10 teams.

I think you would almost have to say- if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, they aren't going to jump ND.

Wrong... the strength of those two victories together puts them over the top. The committee is just waiting until their hand is forced and they will flip flop once the season plays out. It will take something akin to last year, 59-0 ND over Stanford, and Okie St to look extremely ugly in victory for things to remain as is, otherwise Okie St will be last year's OSU and jump ND (just as TCU fell out the last week in 2014).

*bzzzzzt* Sorry Johnny!

OK St can *NOT* be referenced to Ohio St last year. They don't play a CCG.

(11-20-2015 03:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:36 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, things could get really interesting. Especially if Stanford wins and moves into the top 10. Both teams would have 1 game left. Oklahoma St vs Oklahoma and Notre Dame vs Stanford. Both Oklahoma and Stanford being top 10 teams.

I think you would almost have to say- if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, they aren't going to jump ND.

Wrong... the strength of those two victories together puts them over the top. The committee is just waiting until their hand is forced and they will flip flop once the season plays out. It will take something akin to last year, 59-0 ND over Stanford, and Okie St to look extremely ugly in victory for things to remain as is, otherwise Okie St will be last year's OSU and jump ND (just as TCU fell out the last week).

But like OSU's problem- Oklahoma wins this week and TCU is out of the top 25. Oklahoma St would have then 1 top 25 win. And the thing is, next week- ND and OSU have pretty close to the same level opponent. So if OSU doesn't jump ND this week- going to be hard for them to do so next week.

Sorry, but just because OSU is undefeated doesn't mean they're automatic for the playoffs. This committee has proved they don't give a rip about being undefeated.

It's fun to speculate, but impossible to predict.

The committee has no transparency. Maybe all 12 committee members have Notre Dame in their top 4. Or maybe 5 of 12 put Ok St in their top 4 and 2 more will flip after this week if Ok St beats Baylor 49-14 and ND beats BC 9-6. Who knows.

(11-20-2015 04:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:36 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, things could get really interesting. Especially if Stanford wins and moves into the top 10. Both teams would have 1 game left. Oklahoma St vs Oklahoma and Notre Dame vs Stanford. Both Oklahoma and Stanford being top 10 teams.

I think you would almost have to say- if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, they aren't going to jump ND.

Wrong... the strength of those two victories together puts them over the top. The committee is just waiting until their hand is forced and they will flip flop once the season plays out. It will take something akin to last year, 59-0 ND over Stanford, and Okie St to look extremely ugly in victory for things to remain as is, otherwise Okie St will be last year's OSU and jump ND (just as TCU fell out the last week).

But like OSU's problem- Oklahoma wins this week and TCU is out of the top 25. Oklahoma St would have then 1 top 25 win. And the thing is, next week- ND and OSU have pretty close to the same level opponent. So if OSU doesn't jump ND this week- going to be hard for them to do so next week.

Sorry, but just because OSU is undefeated doesn't mean they're automatic for the playoffs. This committee has proved they don't give a rip about being undefeated.

It's fun to speculate, but impossible to predict.

The committee has no transparency. Maybe all 12 committee members have Notre Dame in their top 4. Or maybe 5 of 12 put Ok St in their top 4 and 2 more will flip after this week if Ok St beats Baylor 49-14 and ND beats BC 9-6. Who knows.

True. But I feel like my theory about if OSU is going to pass ND, they have to do it this weekend- is pretty fair. I mean, next weekend, the opponents are very similar in ratings.

(11-20-2015 04:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 04:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:39 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:36 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, things could get really interesting. Especially if Stanford wins and moves into the top 10. Both teams would have 1 game left. Oklahoma St vs Oklahoma and Notre Dame vs Stanford. Both Oklahoma and Stanford being top 10 teams.

I think you would almost have to say- if Oklahoma St doesn't jump ND this weekend, they aren't going to jump ND.

Wrong... the strength of those two victories together puts them over the top. The committee is just waiting until their hand is forced and they will flip flop once the season plays out. It will take something akin to last year, 59-0 ND over Stanford, and Okie St to look extremely ugly in victory for things to remain as is, otherwise Okie St will be last year's OSU and jump ND (just as TCU fell out the last week).

But like OSU's problem- Oklahoma wins this week and TCU is out of the top 25. Oklahoma St would have then 1 top 25 win. And the thing is, next week- ND and OSU have pretty close to the same level opponent. So if OSU doesn't jump ND this week- going to be hard for them to do so next week.

Sorry, but just because OSU is undefeated doesn't mean they're automatic for the playoffs. This committee has proved they don't give a rip about being undefeated.

It's fun to speculate, but impossible to predict.

The committee has no transparency. Maybe all 12 committee members have Notre Dame in their top 4. Or maybe 5 of 12 put Ok St in their top 4 and 2 more will flip after this week if Ok St beats Baylor 49-14 and ND beats BC 9-6. Who knows.

True. But I feel like my theory about if OSU is going to pass ND, they have to do it this weekend- is pretty fair. I mean, next weekend, the opponents are very similar in ratings.

That makes sense. Then again, the CFP doesn't always make sense.

I thought interesting point that Lee Corso just brought up- Oklahoma St has a fairly big Texas problem as well compared to Notre Dame. Oklahoma St barely beat Texas- needed a fluke break for it not to go to OT. Texas got killed by Notre Dame of course.

(11-21-2015 10:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I thought interesting point that Lee Corso just brought up- Oklahoma St has a fairly big Texas problem as well compared to Notre Dame. Oklahoma St barely beat Texas- needed a fluke break for it not to go to OT. Texas got killed by Notre Dame of course.

If it comes down to unbeaten OK State and Notre Dame, I have changed my mind and think OK State gets in. Unbeaten carries a lot of weight.

But Oklahoma fans are deluding themselves if they think they don't need an Irish loss in the next two weeks to make it. They do.

(11-21-2015 12:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 10:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I thought interesting point that Lee Corso just brought up- Oklahoma St has a fairly big Texas problem as well compared to Notre Dame. Oklahoma St barely beat Texas- needed a fluke break for it not to go to OT. Texas got killed by Notre Dame of course.

If it comes down to unbeaten OK State and Notre Dame, I have changed my mind and think OK State gets in. Unbeaten carries a lot of weight.

But Oklahoma fans are deluding themselves if they think they don't need an Irish loss in the next two weeks to make it. They do.

Not to the committee though. That's the thing that folks need to start to forget more and more. Unbeaten to the committee doesn't mean anywhere near as much as it used to with poll voters. Not even remotely close.