Do the recent statements made by JF convey the same message (although not the exact words) of "winning is hard" and "law of averages"?

My thanks to jsw3ent for a post in a different thread that prompted my curiosity.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/columnis...l?d=mobile


Opening Statement…
"I really felt for our kids yesterday. They battled in a fantastic collegiate environment last week. We went back a year in a half of the close ball games we have played in – at Temple last year and the Miami Beach Bowl with BYU – the things that had to happen for us to find a way to win. The Bowling Green game this year when the defense got a lot of stops and that allowed us to get enough points to win the game. Also, the game against Cincinnati this year, all those close ball games we have played in the last year and a half come down to one or two plays. We made those plays and take great proud in that. For whatever reason, we come of short this time.

"We did not play perfect on either sides of the ball but I was pleased in the way our kids made an attempt to listen to the coaching points that we tried to make throughout the week. It was very evident that we went to great length to take care of the football. We had a rough pitch exchange and kind of a freaky interception. I do not want to say a fluky play because the kid made a great play but a weird, odd type of interception on offense. On defense, we went to great lengths to eliminate the foolish penalties and they did that. We played in a tough environment against a very talented team. All those things being said, it did not make the kids feel any better. It is a true mark on how far we have come. We are sitting here at 8-2 and everybody felt horrible. They should take proud in that. Through all the times over the last four years … We were sitting there 1-8 the first year and the second year just struggling to get a win. Finally, last year sitting at 3-3 and the only way we can get out of it is to keeping working. It is a testament to our kids that we made it this far after 10 games and they don't feel very good."

http://www.gotigersgo.com/news/2015/11/1...53812.aspx

Law of averages is a made up thing. It does not exist. Sorry to be such a dill hole about this, but it is a pet peeve.

(11-17-2015 08:43 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Law of averages is a made up thing. It does not exist. Sorry to be such a dill hole about this, but it is a pet peeve.

No, it was the law of averages that Jake was going to miss another long field goal this year, this just happened to be one that was needed. And I agree about that pick, from the end zone camera that ESPN replayed, the guy made a very athletic move to be able to catch a dart thrown by Paxton.

One wins. One doesn't.

(11-17-2015 09:24 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 08:43 AM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  Law of averages is a made up thing. It does not exist. Sorry to be such a dill hole about this, but it is a pet peeve.

No, it was the law of averages that Jake was going to miss another long field goal this year, this just happened to be one that was needed. And I agree about that pick, from the end zone camera that ESPN replayed, the guy made a very athletic move to be able to catch a dart thrown by Paxton.

Seriously, the law of averages is a mythical construct. It. Is. Not. Real. Probabilities are different, reversion to the mean is different. The "law of averages" can not be applied because it doesn't exist. Again, my apologies, I have no idea why it bothers me so much.

(11-17-2015 10:35 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  One wins. One doesn't.

You make a wondrous post. I sincerely mean it. Thank you.

(11-17-2015 11:12 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:35 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  One wins. One doesn't.

You make a wondrous post. I sincerely mean it. Thank you.

Anytime, my man.

Let's give Fuente the benefit of the doubt and assume he's talking about reversion to the mean.

Nitpick Central.

Overall we have had a good year provided the wheels don't fall off over the next two games. Honestly JF became turned into a spin master yesterday.

(11-17-2015 07:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Do the recent statements made by JF convey the same message (although not the exact words) of "winning is hard" and "law of averages"?

My thanks to jsw3ent for a post in a different thread that prompted my curiosity.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/columnis...l?d=mobile


Opening Statement…
"I really felt for our kids yesterday. They battled in a fantastic collegiate environment last week. We went back a year in a half of the close ball games we have played in – at Temple last year and the Miami Beach Bowl with BYU – the things that had to happen for us to find a way to win. The Bowling Green game this year when the defense got a lot of stops and that allowed us to get enough points to win the game. Also, the game against Cincinnati this year, all those close ball games we have played in the last year and a half come down to one or two plays. We made those plays and take great proud in that. For whatever reason, we come of short this time.

"We did not play perfect on either sides of the ball but I was pleased in the way our kids made an attempt to listen to the coaching points that we tried to make throughout the week. It was very evident that we went to great length to take care of the football. We had a rough pitch exchange and kind of a freaky interception. I do not want to say a fluky play because the kid made a great play but a weird, odd type of interception on offense. On defense, we went to great lengths to eliminate the foolish penalties and they did that. We played in a tough environment against a very talented team. All those things being said, it did not make the kids feel any better. It is a true mark on how far we have come. We are sitting here at 8-2 and everybody felt horrible. They should take proud in that. Through all the times over the last four years … We were sitting there 1-8 the first year and the second year just struggling to get a win. Finally, last year sitting at 3-3 and the only way we can get out of it is to keeping working. It is a testament to our kids that we made it this far after 10 games and they don't feel very good."

http://www.gotigersgo.com/news/2015/11/1...53812.aspx

That is a stretch...

He said we made plays in previous games and we didn't make those plays in this game. That doesn't sound like the law of averages, that sounds like the coach saying we could have won but we didn't do what it takes. That is completely different that saying that eventually the ball will bounce differently and we will win.

(11-17-2015 11:17 AM)batman Wrote:  Honestly JF became turned into a spin master yesterday.

Please expound.

I get that he was trying to stick up for his team. Go back to look at the original post where he says look at all the good things we did up until the Houston game. We secured the ball except for the fumble and the freaky fluky interception.


That is all well and good but does not change the fact that we blew 2 20 point leads in the fourth quarter. And had absolutely no business losing that game.

(11-17-2015 07:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Do the recent statements made by JF convey the same message (although not the exact words) of "winning is hard" and "law of averages"?

My thanks to jsw3ent for a post in a different thread that prompted my curiosity.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/columnis...l?d=mobile


Opening Statement…
"I really felt for our kids yesterday. They battled in a fantastic collegiate environment last week. We went back a year in a half of the close ball games we have played in – at Temple last year and the Miami Beach Bowl with BYU – the things that had to happen for us to find a way to win. The Bowling Green game this year when the defense got a lot of stops and that allowed us to get enough points to win the game. Also, the game against Cincinnati this year, all those close ball games we have played in the last year and a half come down to one or two plays. We made those plays and take great proud in that. For whatever reason, we come of short this time.

"We did not play perfect on either sides of the ball but I was pleased in the way our kids made an attempt to listen to the coaching points that we tried to make throughout the week. It was very evident that we went to great length to take care of the football. We had a rough pitch exchange and kind of a freaky interception. I do not want to say a fluky play because the kid made a great play but a weird, odd type of interception on offense. On defense, we went to great lengths to eliminate the foolish penalties and they did that. We played in a tough environment against a very talented team. All those things being said, it did not make the kids feel any better. It is a true mark on how far we have come. We are sitting here at 8-2 and everybody felt horrible. They should take proud in that. Through all the times over the last four years … We were sitting there 1-8 the first year and the second year just struggling to get a win. Finally, last year sitting at 3-3 and the only way we can get out of it is to keeping working. It is a testament to our kids that we made it this far after 10 games and they don't feel very good."

http://www.gotigersgo.com/news/2015/11/1...53812.aspx

" Winning is Hard " was said before the game and I think this negative idea has been one of the reasons Pastner has had a hard time winning big games ... it sets the expectation that it is hard to win in our teams minds before the game

" 1-0 " was said before the game and I think this positive idea has been one of the reasons Fuente had won many big games and many close games .. it sets the expectation that we will win in our team's mind before the game.

hopefully Pastner has learned not to say negative things before games.

(11-17-2015 11:15 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 11:12 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 10:35 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  One wins. One doesn't.

You make a wondrous post. I sincerely mean it. Thank you.

Anytime, my man.

Short but sweet

(11-17-2015 07:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Do the recent statements made by JF convey the same message (although not the exact words) of "winning is hard" and "law of averages"?

My thanks to jsw3ent for a post in a different thread that prompted my curiosity.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/columnis...l?d=mobile


Opening Statement…
"I really felt for our kids yesterday. They battled in a fantastic collegiate environment last week. We went back a year in a half of the close ball games we have played in – at Temple last year and the Miami Beach Bowl with BYU – the things that had to happen for us to find a way to win. The Bowling Green game this year when the defense got a lot of stops and that allowed us to get enough points to win the game. Also, the game against Cincinnati this year, all those close ball games we have played in the last year and a half come down to one or two plays. We made those plays and take great proud in that. For whatever reason, we come of short this time.

"We did not play perfect on either sides of the ball but I was pleased in the way our kids made an attempt to listen to the coaching points that we tried to make throughout the week. It was very evident that we went to great length to take care of the football. We had a rough pitch exchange and kind of a freaky interception. I do not want to say a fluky play because the kid made a great play but a weird, odd type of interception on offense. On defense, we went to great lengths to eliminate the foolish penalties and they did that. We played in a tough environment against a very talented team. All those things being said, it did not make the kids feel any better. It is a true mark on how far we have come. We are sitting here at 8-2 and everybody felt horrible. They should take proud in that. Through all the times over the last four years … We were sitting there 1-8 the first year and the second year just struggling to get a win. Finally, last year sitting at 3-3 and the only way we can get out of it is to keeping working. It is a testament to our kids that we made it this far after 10 games and they don't feel very good."

http://www.gotigersgo.com/news/2015/11/1...53812.aspx

There at least is some real analysis and not just stringing together the same 15 cliche's that are regurgitated after every game.

(11-17-2015 11:24 AM)batman Wrote:  I get that he was trying to stick up for his team. Go back to look at the original post where he says look at all the good things we did up until the Houston game. We secured the ball except for the fumble and the freaky fluky interception.


That is all well and good but does not change the fact that we blew 2 20 point leads in the fourth quarter. And had absolutely no business losing that game.

You don't really blow two 20 point leads in the same game. Unless you blew the first one down to a tie game, then built it back up, then blew it again.

I can't wait until we get a new basketball coach so this nonsense can stop.

(11-17-2015 08:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 11:24 AM)batman Wrote:  I get that he was trying to stick up for his team. Go back to look at the original post where he says look at all the good things we did up until the Houston game. We secured the ball except for the fumble and the freaky fluky interception.


That is all well and good but does not change the fact that we blew 2 20 point leads in the fourth quarter. And had absolutely no business losing that game.

You don't really blow two 20 point leads in the same game. Unless you blew the first one down to a tie game, then built it back up, then blew it again.

And both 20-point leads were not in the 4Q, but that doesnt really matter. We should have won the football game and we should have won the basketball game today.

(11-17-2015 12:56 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 07:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Do the recent statements made by JF convey the same message (although not the exact words) of "winning is hard" and "law of averages"?

My thanks to jsw3ent for a post in a different thread that prompted my curiosity.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/columnis...l?d=mobile


Opening Statement…
"I really felt for our kids yesterday. They battled in a fantastic collegiate environment last week. We went back a year in a half of the close ball games we have played in – at Temple last year and the Miami Beach Bowl with BYU – the things that had to happen for us to find a way to win. The Bowling Green game this year when the defense got a lot of stops and that allowed us to get enough points to win the game. Also, the game against Cincinnati this year, all those close ball games we have played in the last year and a half come down to one or two plays. We made those plays and take great proud in that. For whatever reason, we come of short this time.

"We did not play perfect on either sides of the ball but I was pleased in the way our kids made an attempt to listen to the coaching points that we tried to make throughout the week. It was very evident that we went to great length to take care of the football. We had a rough pitch exchange and kind of a freaky interception. I do not want to say a fluky play because the kid made a great play but a weird, odd type of interception on offense. On defense, we went to great lengths to eliminate the foolish penalties and they did that. We played in a tough environment against a very talented team. All those things being said, it did not make the kids feel any better. It is a true mark on how far we have come. We are sitting here at 8-2 and everybody felt horrible. They should take proud in that. Through all the times over the last four years … We were sitting there 1-8 the first year and the second year just struggling to get a win. Finally, last year sitting at 3-3 and the only way we can get out of it is to keeping working. It is a testament to our kids that we made it this far after 10 games and they don't feel very good."

http://www.gotigersgo.com/news/2015/11/1...53812.aspx

" Winning is Hard " was said before the game and I think this negative idea has been one of the reasons Pastner has had a hard time winning big games ... it sets the expectation that it is hard to win in our teams minds before the game

" 1-0 " was said before the game and I think this positive idea has been one of the reasons Fuente had won many big games and many close games .. it sets the expectation that we will win in our team's mind before the game.

hopefully Pastner has learned not to say negative things before games.

I never really thought about it but you have a great point. I think "Winning is Expected and It Requires Hard Work and Focused Preparation" would be better.