I have said it before - this team is FUN to watch! To those who left empty seats in the lower section, I say 'thanks". Those of us who moved down enjoyed them.

(11-18-2015 10:20 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 09:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 09:29 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  OU has the best player on either team, Buddy Hield. He was a 3* recruit. Memphis has higher rated talent top to bottom.

I would still bet Kruger would trade rosters if given the chance.

Memphis had better players than OU.

Hield was the best player, but Dedric was a close 2nd. I still say Kruger would switch rosters.

His team won and they have more experienced/fundamentally sound players that made a run in the tourney last year. He wouldn't switch rosters.

Right. You don't look at the 'players' - you look at the 'team.' Now - no way. But I can see this Memphis team getting better as the season progresses --- although we did play well plenty of room for upside.

(11-18-2015 11:22 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 10:20 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 09:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 09:29 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  OU has the best player on either team, Buddy Hield. He was a 3* recruit. Memphis has higher rated talent top to bottom.

I would still bet Kruger would trade rosters if given the chance.

Memphis had better players than OU.

Hield was the best player, but Dedric was a close 2nd. I still say Kruger would switch rosters.

His team won and they have more experienced/fundamentally sound players that made a run in the tourney last year. He wouldn't switch rosters.

Right. You don't look at the 'players' - you look at the 'team.' Now - no way. But I can see this Memphis team getting better as the season progresses --- although we did play well plenty of room for upside.

Again, though, OU only returns 4 guys from the team last year. It's not like Tulsa or UNC who return all starters plus reserves.

(11-17-2015 01:03 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:56 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:56 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:51 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:50 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Absolutely. Did you watch any portion of the USM game or any of our games last season?

I watched them all. Is the still the defense where our big man comes out to the 3 point line? "Defensive" teams do not get hammered on the boards.

"Defensive" teams play better defense than offense, or else they'd be "offensive" teams.

"Defensive" teams do not allow their opponent double digit offensive rebounds.

Sometimes they do, so long as they keep the opponents actual points low. Kentucky was one of the best defensive teams in the nation last season but routinely let opposing team grabs a lot of offensive rebounds. They were 211th in allowing teams to grab offensive boards last year. That's just one facet of the defense.

If the opposing team grabs 25 offensive boards, but 20 were on one possession in which they eventually got zero points, then the stat is completely misleading.

That's why simply looking at one, one-dimensional stat doesn't always tell the story.

Agreed...

The worst defensive team in the country could give up 0 offensive boards if they allow the other team to shoot 100% from the floor.

The better your defense is the more opportunities the other team has at grabbing offensive boards because they miss more shots.

(11-18-2015 05:25 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 01:03 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:56 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:56 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 09:51 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  I watched them all. Is the still the defense where our big man comes out to the 3 point line? "Defensive" teams do not get hammered on the boards.

"Defensive" teams play better defense than offense, or else they'd be "offensive" teams.

"Defensive" teams do not allow their opponent double digit offensive rebounds.

Sometimes they do, so long as they keep the opponents actual points low. Kentucky was one of the best defensive teams in the nation last season but routinely let opposing team grabs a lot of offensive rebounds. They were 211th in allowing teams to grab offensive boards last year. That's just one facet of the defense.

If the opposing team grabs 25 offensive boards, but 20 were on one possession in which they eventually got zero points, then the stat is completely misleading.

That's why simply looking at one, one-dimensional stat doesn't always tell the story.

Agreed...

The worst defensive team in the country could give up 0 offensive boards if they allow the other team to shoot 100% from the floor.

The better your defense is the more opportunities the other team has at grabbing offensive boards because they miss more shots.

^^^

I knew this game would be close when I saw it was only -4. Vegas knew something, and am I the only one who noticed sketchy calls (both sides) whenever the game was around 4 or 5 point difference?

(11-19-2015 03:40 AM)homeboy Wrote:  I knew this game would be close when I saw it was only -4. Vegas knew something, and am I the only one who noticed sketchy calls (both sides) whenever the game was around 4 or 5 point difference?

Like Dedric missing all three free throws at the end?

(11-17-2015 12:18 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 10:44 PM)bigbob Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 07:43 PM)TigerFighter Wrote:  How on earth is the line only 4!!! Is someone hurt for Oklahoma ?

Well. The questions: Is someone hurt? What do the wise guys know?

Here are a couple of answers.

The anti-Pastner crowd have had their heads stuck up the other 8 rear ends so long that any positive Tiger basketball news must be misprints or misinformation.

Think about it nimrods: Memphis is a 4-point underdog to the 8th ranked team.

In every sports book of note.

The wise guys do know things. They have computer models and they win by having their heads on straight.

Where does that leave Al et al?

Where they belong.

If we are 4pts worse than the #8 team, We should be a top 25 team!


this is gonna be a great year! thanks BobTiger

In NCAA college basketball, maybe more than in any other sport, home court advantage is huge. So, when sports bettors look at the spreads, the moneylines, and the totals always make sure to look at the home court advantage.
…home court advantage can be worth anywhere between 2.5 and 6 points or more depending on the venue and opponent.

http://www.madduxsports.com/library/cbb/...tball.html

Homecourt advantage in college basketball is typically presumed to mean "about four points" (the average right now is actually closer to 3.7) difference in the final score. This means that if two teams were identical, neither team would be favored on a neutral court and the home team would be favored by about four if they played at one of the team's arenas. This can lead to essentially an eight point swing from one venue to the next. The truth is that some venues could actually mean up 10-11 points, while some do not help at all

http://predictionmachine.com/college-bas...-advantage

(11-19-2015 10:28 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 12:18 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 10:44 PM)bigbob Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 07:43 PM)TigerFighter Wrote:  How on earth is the line only 4!!! Is someone hurt for Oklahoma ?

Well. The questions: Is someone hurt? What do the wise guys know?

Here are a couple of answers.

The anti-Pastner crowd have had their heads stuck up the other 8 rear ends so long that any positive Tiger basketball news must be misprints or misinformation.

Think about it nimrods: Memphis is a 4-point underdog to the 8th ranked team.

In every sports book of note.

The wise guys do know things. They have computer models and they win by having their heads on straight.

Where does that leave Al et al?

Where they belong.

If we are 4pts worse than the #8 team, We should be a top 25 team!


this is gonna be a great year! thanks BobTiger

In NCAA college basketball, maybe more than in any other sport, home court advantage is huge. So, when sports bettors look at the spreads, the moneylines, and the totals always make sure to look at the home court advantage.
…home court advantage can be worth anywhere between 2.5 and 6 points or more depending on the venue and opponent.

http://www.madduxsports.com/library/cbb/...tball.html

Homecourt advantage in college basketball is typically presumed to mean "about four points" (the average right now is actually closer to 3.7) difference in the final score. This means that if two teams were identical, neither team would be favored on a neutral court and the home team would be favored by about four if they played at one of the team's arenas. This can lead to essentially an eight point swing from one venue to the next. The truth is that some venues could actually mean up 10-11 points, while some do not help at all

http://predictionmachine.com/college-bas...-advantage

That prediction machine site is cool. It's interesting that no P5 is ranked among the top 5.
Denver and northern Arizona both over 10 points-bound to be the altitude.

But Cameron Indoor is only good for 5.7 points? The refs give them that much just on extra free throws!

Memphis right in the middle at 3.7 points.

Here's the head scratcher for me-Gonzaga ranked 310? Only a 2 point home court advantage?

Ok, heres a little something for the idiots on this board.

The site I check for sports lines publishes an opening line well before the sites like Sportsbook or Bovada offer it. Here is a link to it:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bask...las-vegas/

Two days before the game, that site published an OPEN line of -13.5
My understanding is when heavy money gets bet on a particular side in Vegas at the physical books, the line swings heavily…
The VI Consensus, followed by the initial line offered by the following sites given on the link, was -4.5

Notice from this link that in a lot of cases, the OPEN is the same or close to the given lines that followed.

In some cases however, there is a really big difference, for the reason I stated above. So STFU about the "opening line" to those of you who don't sports bet very often and look to the commercial appeal or pre game ESPN line for the open line, and make fun of me for quoting a line that was in truth valid as the real opener.

(11-19-2015 08:37 PM)alcalde Wrote:  Ok, heres a little something for the idiots on this board.

The site I check for sports lines publishes an opening line well before the sites like Sportsbook or Bovada offer it. Here is a link to it:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bask...las-vegas/

Two days before the game, that site published an OPEN line of -13.5
My understanding is when heavy money gets bet on a particular side in Vegas at the physical books, the line swings heavily…
The VI Consensus, followed by the initial line offered by the following sites given on the link, was -4.5

Notice from this link that in a lot of cases, the OPEN is the same or close to the given lines that followed.

In some cases however, there is a really big difference, for the reason I stated above. So STFU about the "opening line" to those of you who don't sports bet very often and look to the commercial appeal or pre game ESPN line for the open line, and make fun of me for quoting a line that was in truth valid as the real opener.

-13.5

(11-19-2015 08:37 PM)alcalde Wrote:  Ok, heres a little something for the idiots on this board.

The site I check for sports lines publishes an opening line well before the sites like Sportsbook or Bovada offer it. Here is a link to it:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bask...las-vegas/

Two days before the game, that site published an OPEN line of -13.5
My understanding is when heavy money gets bet on a particular side in Vegas at the physical books, the line swings heavily…
The VI Consensus, followed by the initial line offered by the following sites given on the link, was -4.5

Notice from this link that in a lot of cases, the OPEN is the same or close to the given lines that followed.

In some cases however, there is a really big difference, for the reason I stated above. So STFU about the "opening line" to those of you who don't sports bet very often and look to the commercial appeal or pre game ESPN line for the open line, and make fun of me for quoting a line that was in truth valid as the real opener.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bask...e/11-17-15

never was -13.5 not even offshore

(11-19-2015 10:06 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(11-19-2015 08:37 PM)alcalde Wrote:  Ok, heres a little something for the idiots on this board.

The site I check for sports lines publishes an opening line well before the sites like Sportsbook or Bovada offer it. Here is a link to it:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bask...las-vegas/

Two days before the game, that site published an OPEN line of -13.5
My understanding is when heavy money gets bet on a particular side in Vegas at the physical books, the line swings heavily…
The VI Consensus, followed by the initial line offered by the following sites given on the link, was -4.5

Notice from this link that in a lot of cases, the OPEN is the same or close to the given lines that followed.

In some cases however, there is a really big difference, for the reason I stated above. So STFU about the "opening line" to those of you who don't sports bet very often and look to the commercial appeal or pre game ESPN line for the open line, and make fun of me for quoting a line that was in truth valid as the real opener.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-bask...e/11-17-15

never was -13.5 not even offshore

Hmm, interesting.. well, under "Open" when I first checked the line it said -13.5. Misprint on their part? I don't know. Im used to there being large gaps occasionally between the open and the initial offering on the sites I bet on. Truthfully, I would have bet Oklahoma -13.5. I thought that line sounded about right. I was ecstatic when I found it was -4.5, and thankfully that made the difference between me winning a big bet and losing a big bet