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(11-16-2015 10:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Go Baylor!

And while you are at it you might as well root for TCU, too, as TCU winning also weakens the resume of the Big 12 champ.
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The guys on the Solid Verbal were whining about New Year's Eve football this week...

...and I thought about the slim--but certainly possible--chance of THIS being our CFP Four this season.

1. Iowa 13-0 vs. 4. UNC 12-1
2. Oklahoma St. 13-0 vs. 3. Florida 12-1

Think about the ratings bonanza THAT would get...
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(11-16-2015 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-15-2015 09:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem that Bullet has is he wants to totally ignore the OOC **** Baylor, Oklahoma St put out. Thankfully, the committee sees thru this bull crap.

And I don't have a problem with the Big 12- but rather schools that ******* schedule like *******. You schedule like men, I'll respect you. But Baylor and Oklahoma St scheduled like ******* this year- so they reap what they get.

Wofford and Appalachian St. (although ASU not that bad this year-they were one of the worst in FBS last year)?

Those are pretty much indistinguishable from the Big 12 schools ooc. That's why I left them off.

So why don't you have a problem with Alabama? They play 8 SEC games + Wisconsin. Then they schedule Middle Tennessee, UL-Monroe (1-8) and Charleston Southern. UCLA, USC and Notre Dame have never scheduled FCS schools. Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan (they wish they didn't do ASU a few years back) rarely schedule FCS schools. Yet Florida, Alabama and LSU, the SEC powers, do every year. And often really BAD FCS teams. Alabama scheduled Georgia St. in their first year of football.

What about North Carolina? They scheduled TWO FCS teams this year. So did Boston College. No other P5 team did that, but 2 ACC schools did (both teams Clemson will likely play).

It's not like UNC scheduled two FCS teams on purpose. Like other schools in the ACC, they were left holding the bag when the league backed away from a plan to go to a 9 game league schedule. At the last minute they were left scrambling to find anybody to play that 12th game, and that was the best they could do on short notice.
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(11-17-2015 02:03 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-16-2015 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-15-2015 09:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem that Bullet has is he wants to totally ignore the OOC **** Baylor, Oklahoma St put out. Thankfully, the committee sees thru this bull crap.

And I don't have a problem with the Big 12- but rather schools that ******* schedule like *******. You schedule like men, I'll respect you. But Baylor and Oklahoma St scheduled like ******* this year- so they reap what they get.

Wofford and Appalachian St. (although ASU not that bad this year-they were one of the worst in FBS last year)?

Those are pretty much indistinguishable from the Big 12 schools ooc. That's why I left them off.

So why don't you have a problem with Alabama? They play 8 SEC games + Wisconsin. Then they schedule Middle Tennessee, UL-Monroe (1-8) and Charleston Southern. UCLA, USC and Notre Dame have never scheduled FCS schools. Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan (they wish they didn't do ASU a few years back) rarely schedule FCS schools. Yet Florida, Alabama and LSU, the SEC powers, do every year. And often really BAD FCS teams. Alabama scheduled Georgia St. in their first year of football.

What about North Carolina? They scheduled TWO FCS teams this year. So did Boston College. No other P5 team did that, but 2 ACC schools did (both teams Clemson will likely play).

It's not like UNC scheduled two FCS teams on purpose. Like other schools in the ACC, they were left holding the bag when the league backed away from a plan to go to a 9 game league schedule. At the last minute they were left scrambling to find anybody to play that 12th game, and that was the best they could do on short notice.

That's fine, but the fact does remain that UNC has 2 FCS schools on the schedule. Sucks for them, but it could easily cost them a NY6 bowl quite frankly.
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I believe if Oklahoma wins out, finishing the season at 11-1 with consecutive wins over Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma State, they will be hard to pass over for that fourth semifinal spot.

I do not believe that the selection committee is going to take it on themselves to declare that they don't like conferences that don't have a CCG. The Big 12 didn't have one when the CFP was established. I think the fact that they were the odd man out last year when six teams were equally deserving of a spot will work in their favor this year. Call it payback.

The Sooners' biggest obstacle, if they get that far, would be if Notre Dame also has only one loss. No other candidate has the media chops to get in even if they aren't deemed one of the four strongest teams. At 11-1, with a mediocre schedule at best (probably worse than Oklahoma's) might still be good enough to stay ahead of the Sooners.

The irony there, of course, is that the Irish don't have a CCG either.
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(11-17-2015 02:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-17-2015 02:03 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-16-2015 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-15-2015 09:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem that Bullet has is he wants to totally ignore the OOC **** Baylor, Oklahoma St put out. Thankfully, the committee sees thru this bull crap.

And I don't have a problem with the Big 12- but rather schools that ******* schedule like *******. You schedule like men, I'll respect you. But Baylor and Oklahoma St scheduled like ******* this year- so they reap what they get.

Wofford and Appalachian St. (although ASU not that bad this year-they were one of the worst in FBS last year)?

Those are pretty much indistinguishable from the Big 12 schools ooc. That's why I left them off.

So why don't you have a problem with Alabama? They play 8 SEC games + Wisconsin. Then they schedule Middle Tennessee, UL-Monroe (1-8) and Charleston Southern. UCLA, USC and Notre Dame have never scheduled FCS schools. Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan (they wish they didn't do ASU a few years back) rarely schedule FCS schools. Yet Florida, Alabama and LSU, the SEC powers, do every year. And often really BAD FCS teams. Alabama scheduled Georgia St. in their first year of football.

What about North Carolina? They scheduled TWO FCS teams this year. So did Boston College. No other P5 team did that, but 2 ACC schools did (both teams Clemson will likely play).

It's not like UNC scheduled two FCS teams on purpose. Like other schools in the ACC, they were left holding the bag when the league backed away from a plan to go to a 9 game league schedule. At the last minute they were left scrambling to find anybody to play that 12th game, and that was the best they could do on short notice.

That's fine, but the fact does remain that UNC has 2 FCS schools on the schedule. Sucks for them, but it could easily cost them a NY6 bowl quite frankly.

It very well could. Especially since the selection committee has pretty much abandoned the idea that their mandate was to pick the strongest teams. Instead, they are applying a lot of the old poll voter logic, and trying to rationalize which teams are the most "deserving" instead of the most powerful.
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(11-17-2015 02:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  I believe if Oklahoma wins out, finishing the season at 11-1 with consecutive wins over Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma State, they will be hard to pass over for that fourth semifinal spot.

I do not believe that the selection committee is going to take it on themselves to declare that they don't like conferences that don't have a CCG. The Big 12 didn't have one when the CFP was established. I think the fact that they were the odd man out last year when six teams were equally deserving of a spot will work in their favor this year. Call it payback.

The Sooners' biggest obstacle, if they get that far, would be if Notre Dame also has only one loss. No other candidate has the media chops to get in even if they aren't deemed one of the four strongest teams. At 11-1, with a mediocre schedule at best (probably worse than Oklahoma's) might still be good enough to stay ahead of the Sooners.

The irony there, of course, is that the Irish don't have a CCG either.

Oklahoma would absolutely need for Notre Dame to lose. The Texas comparison is just a killer for Oklahoma.
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(11-15-2015 09:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem that Bullet has is he wants to totally ignore the OOC **** Baylor, Oklahoma St put out. Thankfully, the committee sees thru this bull crap.

And I don't have a problem with the Big 12- but rather schools that ******* schedule like *******. You schedule like men, I'll respect you. But Baylor and Oklahoma St scheduled like ******* this year- so they reap what they get.

Okie St did open at CMU who has improved as the season has gone on. They should finish at 7-5 and bowl. Chips had close losses at syracuse (OT) and Toledo.

Okie State cannot afford a loss, if they beat TCU & Okie big they have a shot to vault into the playoffs.

If the Big 10 has 2 undefeated teams in the CCG, the winner will be in and

If Clemson wins out they are in.

The real battle is between Notre Dame and the SEC as the SEC has no undefeated teams. Irish have beaten Texas, Navy, Temple, USC, GT and face Stanford in their final game. If they beat Stanford they will be very tough to keep out of the final 4.

Florida still has FSU on their schedule, they can lose to the Seminoles and still represent the East in the SEC title game. If they face Alabama and beat them they would not get in the playoff because of 2 losses.
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(11-17-2015 02:17 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-17-2015 02:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-17-2015 02:03 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-16-2015 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(11-15-2015 09:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem that Bullet has is he wants to totally ignore the OOC **** Baylor, Oklahoma St put out. Thankfully, the committee sees thru this bull crap.

And I don't have a problem with the Big 12- but rather schools that ******* schedule like *******. You schedule like men, I'll respect you. But Baylor and Oklahoma St scheduled like ******* this year- so they reap what they get.

Wofford and Appalachian St. (although ASU not that bad this year-they were one of the worst in FBS last year)?

Those are pretty much indistinguishable from the Big 12 schools ooc. That's why I left them off.

So why don't you have a problem with Alabama? They play 8 SEC games + Wisconsin. Then they schedule Middle Tennessee, UL-Monroe (1-8) and Charleston Southern. UCLA, USC and Notre Dame have never scheduled FCS schools. Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan (they wish they didn't do ASU a few years back) rarely schedule FCS schools. Yet Florida, Alabama and LSU, the SEC powers, do every year. And often really BAD FCS teams. Alabama scheduled Georgia St. in their first year of football.

What about North Carolina? They scheduled TWO FCS teams this year. So did Boston College. No other P5 team did that, but 2 ACC schools did (both teams Clemson will likely play).

It's not like UNC scheduled two FCS teams on purpose. Like other schools in the ACC, they were left holding the bag when the league backed away from a plan to go to a 9 game league schedule. At the last minute they were left scrambling to find anybody to play that 12th game, and that was the best they could do on short notice.

That's fine, but the fact does remain that UNC has 2 FCS schools on the schedule. Sucks for them, but it could easily cost them a NY6 bowl quite frankly.

It very well could. Especially since the selection committee has pretty much abandoned the idea that their mandate was to pick the strongest teams. Instead, they are applying a lot of the old poll voter logic, and trying to rationalize which teams are the most "deserving" instead of the most powerful.

The problem though is that UNC hasn't played anyone at all. So it's pretty tough to tell just how powerful UNC is because of that.
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(11-17-2015 02:23 PM)Policiious Wrote:  
(11-15-2015 09:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem that Bullet has is he wants to totally ignore the OOC **** Baylor, Oklahoma St put out. Thankfully, the committee sees thru this bull crap.

And I don't have a problem with the Big 12- but rather schools that ******* schedule like *******. You schedule like men, I'll respect you. But Baylor and Oklahoma St scheduled like ******* this year- so they reap what they get.

Okie St did open at CMU who has improved as the season has gone on. They should finish at 7-5 and bowl. Chips had close losses at syracuse (OT) and Toledo.

Okie State cannot afford a loss, if they beat TCU & Okie big they have a shot to vault into the playoffs.

If the Big 10 has 2 undefeated teams in the CCG, the winner will be in and

If Clemson wins out they are in.

The real battle is between Notre Dame and the SEC as the SEC has no undefeated teams. Irish have beaten Texas, Navy, Temple, USC, GT and face Stanford in their final game. If they beat Stanford they will be very tough to keep out of the final 4.

Florida still has FSU on their schedule, they can lose to the Seminoles and still represent the East in the SEC title game. If they face Alabama and beat them they would not get in the playoff because of 2 losses.
Um, no. If Alabama wins out, they are in 100% certain. And if Florida wins out, they are in 100% certain.
Big Ten if Ohio St/Iowa meet undefeated, they are in 100% certain.
Clemson, if they win out, they are in 100% certain.
It's then between Notre Dame and B12 champ. If ND is 11-1 and B12 is Oklahoma St 12-0, it is a 50/50 tossup. If ND is 11-1, and B12 has any other champion, it's ND almost certainly.
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(11-17-2015 02:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-17-2015 02:17 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-17-2015 02:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-17-2015 02:03 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-16-2015 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  Wofford and Appalachian St. (although ASU not that bad this year-they were one of the worst in FBS last year)?

Those are pretty much indistinguishable from the Big 12 schools ooc. That's why I left them off.

So why don't you have a problem with Alabama? They play 8 SEC games + Wisconsin. Then they schedule Middle Tennessee, UL-Monroe (1-8) and Charleston Southern. UCLA, USC and Notre Dame have never scheduled FCS schools. Oklahoma, Texas and Michigan (they wish they didn't do ASU a few years back) rarely schedule FCS schools. Yet Florida, Alabama and LSU, the SEC powers, do every year. And often really BAD FCS teams. Alabama scheduled Georgia St. in their first year of football.

What about North Carolina? They scheduled TWO FCS teams this year. So did Boston College. No other P5 team did that, but 2 ACC schools did (both teams Clemson will likely play).

It's not like UNC scheduled two FCS teams on purpose. Like other schools in the ACC, they were left holding the bag when the league backed away from a plan to go to a 9 game league schedule. At the last minute they were left scrambling to find anybody to play that 12th game, and that was the best they could do on short notice.

That's fine, but the fact does remain that UNC has 2 FCS schools on the schedule. Sucks for them, but it could easily cost them a NY6 bowl quite frankly.

It very well could. Especially since the selection committee has pretty much abandoned the idea that their mandate was to pick the strongest teams. Instead, they are applying a lot of the old poll voter logic, and trying to rationalize which teams are the most "deserving" instead of the most powerful.

The problem though is that UNC hasn't played anyone at all. So it's pretty tough to tell just how powerful UNC is because of that.

Probably their only chance (short of winning the ACC) would be to be 11-1 going into a CCG, then taking an unbeaten Clemson to the wire. That's a tall order on all counts. Personally, I think they will have all they can handle against Va Tech this week, and I don't think they finish with one loss.
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