(11-16-2015 12:33 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:53 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  There is a giant gap in perception,

Nope, if you aren't P5 then you are on the short bus. That includes the AAC no matter how many times some people try to deny it.

Only when it comes to football...

when it comes to basketball the AAC schools will get close to the same benefit as those P5 conferences. At least the top half of the conference.

Even in football the teams ranked this year in the AAC would had a hard time being ranked playing in CUSA with the same record.

(11-16-2015 12:33 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:53 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  There is a giant gap in perception,

Nope, if you aren't P5 then you are on the short bus. That includes the AAC no matter how many times some people try to deny it.

You're not being honest if you believe that. AAC football games have been on ABC, ESPN, etc this season. 4 teams in the top 25 last week is huge for perception too. Then athletic budgets and fan support is on another level. The AAC has a recent hoops national title in both men and women's hoops. BCS win just 2 years ago.

Likely the AAC will have 1 or 2 opening. I can assure nobody is going to decline membership if asked.

I say you are delirious if you do believe it...Looks like it has helped UCF this year, right?

(11-16-2015 06:35 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:33 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:53 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  There is a giant gap in perception,

Nope, if you aren't P5 then you are on the short bus. That includes the AAC no matter how many times some people try to deny it.

You're not being honest if you believe that. AAC football games have been on ABC, ESPN, etc this season. 4 teams in the top 25 last week is huge for perception too. Then athletic budgets and fan support is on another level. The AAC has a recent hoops national title in both men and women's hoops. BCS win just 2 years ago.

Likely the AAC will have 1 or 2 opening. I can assure nobody is going to decline membership if asked.

Here's the perception:

(11-16-2015 08:14 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 06:35 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:33 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:53 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  There is a giant gap in perception,

Nope, if you aren't P5 then you are on the short bus. That includes the AAC no matter how many times some people try to deny it.

You're not being honest if you believe that. AAC football games have been on ABC, ESPN, etc this season. 4 teams in the top 25 last week is huge for perception too. Then athletic budgets and fan support is on another level. The AAC has a recent hoops national title in both men and women's hoops. BCS win just 2 years ago.

Likely the AAC will have 1 or 2 opening. I can assure nobody is going to decline membership if asked.

Here's the perception:

THe MISSOURI VALLEY WAS RANKED HIGHER THAN C-USA!!!!!!!

in your response to my post earlier you tried to dodge that with "you cant compare an fcs schedule"...well last i checked the computers incorporate schedules into the equation...and if schedule was a legitimate debate, i could argue your top teams piled on wins from fcs transitioning teams

this is the definition of biased ..you are literally using a source as the biggest evidence for you claims, but completely not solidifying any other part of that same source you dont want to agree with

if you truly believe c-usa was better than the AAC last year because the computers said so and that is the perception then you also have to agree that the Missouri valley conference was better than c-usa last year and c-usa this year ..MVC is dramatically higher ranked than c-usa in the computers (which incorporates schedule). but we both know you wont do that, the only part that is valid is the part that said c-usa was better than the AAC, not the part the MVC is better than c-usa

the big 12 finished #1 in the computers a couple times the last few years during the SEC 7 year title run (no one thought the big 12 was better)...the big east finished #2 a few times after vt and miami left but the perception was they were undeserving of the aq spot.

to the national media/everyone not connected to c-usa last year, your #1 team played a horrific schedule, your #2 team lost to an fcs

(11-16-2015 09:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:14 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 06:35 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:33 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 08:53 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  There is a giant gap in perception,

Nope, if you aren't P5 then you are on the short bus. That includes the AAC no matter how many times some people try to deny it.

You're not being honest if you believe that. AAC football games have been on ABC, ESPN, etc this season. 4 teams in the top 25 last week is huge for perception too. Then athletic budgets and fan support is on another level. The AAC has a recent hoops national title in both men and women's hoops. BCS win just 2 years ago.

Likely the AAC will have 1 or 2 opening. I can assure nobody is going to decline membership if asked.

Here's the perception:

THe MISSOURI VALLEY WAS RANKED HIGHER THAN C-USA!!!!!!!

in your response to my post earlier you tried to dodge that with "you cant compare an fcs schedule"...well last i checked the computers incorporate schedules into the equation...and if schedule was a legitimate debate, i could argue your top teams piled on wins from fcs transitioning teams

this is the definition of biased ..you are literally using a source as the biggest evidence for you claims, but completely not solidifying any other part of that same source you dont want to agree with

if you truly believe c-usa was better than the AAC last year because the computers said so and that is the perception then you also have to agree that the Missouri valley conference was better than c-usa last year and c-usa this year ..MVC is dramatically higher ranked than c-usa in the computers (which incorporates schedule). but we both know you wont do that, the only part that is valid is the part that said c-usa was better than the AAC, not the part the MVC is better than c-usa

the big 12 finished #1 in the computers a couple times the last few years during the SEC 7 year title run (no one thought the big 12 was better)...the big east finished #2 a few times after vt and miami left but the perception was they were undeserving of the aq spot.

to the national media/everyone not connected to c-usa last year, your #1 team played a horrific schedule, your #2 team lost to an fcs

SO WHY DID THE CONFERENCE COMMISSIONERS of the G5 after consulting with their schools athletic directors vote to use the BCS computer polls!

Are you just referring to Sagarin because there 4 others that don't incorporate FCS into there polls. It's a straw man's argument either way and last time I check Sagarin doesn't reveal his equation, so how are you privy to this?


Straight from Massey Composite

Here some perception for you that's not BCS computer Polls:


That's right CUSA was 16-18 last year against team rank#41-#75 while AAC went 10-30.

(11-16-2015 09:39 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  SO WHY DID THE CONFERENCE COMMISSIONERS of the G5 after consulting with their schools athletic directors vote to use the BCS computer polls!

Are you just referring to Sagarin because there 4 others that don't incorporate FCS into there polls. It's a straw man's argument either way and last time I check Sagarin doesn't reveal his equation, so how are you privy to this?


Straight from Massey Composite

there arent any other options, where else would the g5 have gone for a conference rankings that could be reliable (do it every year) wnd quantify every game without any chance of manipulation?

dont mix up best available option with reliability...all the fbs commissioners including the g5 voted to not have computers in the playoff system, the computers are not even allowed to be used as a reference tool or source by the committee

if you literally remove the g5 distribution, no one uses or even reference the bcs computers anymore

and you are doing it again. you are dipping and dodging ..only willing to acknowledge the parts that benefit your narrative
"massey doesnt calculate fcs" so we wont acknowledge the mvc, "sagarin doesn't release his formula" so we are going to pretend as if a logical formula to rank teams doesnt include Schedule/SOS.

and ps the colley matrix (a different bcs computer) also calculates fcs and also has the MVC ahead last year and this year

Dr. Peter Wolfe (another bcs computer) also calculates fcs, and the average MVC is higher than c-usa last year and this year

thats 3 of the 6 not 1 (100% of the computers that calculate fcs have the same conclusion)

but like i noted you wont acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your narrative

Speaking of the AAC, still have 3 teams ranked in the CFP.

I actually feel bad for AAC fans. The reality is if there is another round of realignment a few teams will escape that conference most likely. The rest of the teams will be banished to permanent purgatory just like every other G5 school. At that point you will probably see a realignment among the G5 to something that makes more geographic sense as budgets will have to be carefully watched.

Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati and UCF (or maybe UConn) have a shot of getting a golden ticket, but three of those teams, along with the rest of the conference, better enjoy this season, because it will likely never be better for their conference.

(11-18-2015 01:43 AM)banker Wrote:  I actually feel bad for AAC fans. The reality is if there is another round of realignment a few teams will escape that conference most likely. The rest of the teams will be banished to permanent purgatory just like every other G5 school. At that point you will probably see a realignment among the G5 to something that makes more geographic sense as budgets will have to be carefully watched.

Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati and UCF (or maybe UConn) have a shot of getting a golden ticket, but three of those teams, along with the rest of the conference, better enjoy this season, because it will likely never be better for their conference.

Why is that? Looks like the AAC is now getting the benefit of the doubt in terms of conference competition. Memphis still being ranked says the CFP committee respects the league.

With tremendous tv exposure in both football and basketball the leagues brand will only get better. Couple this with what could be a Sun Belt like tv contract for CUSA and I see the gap only growing. Plus the AAC has more money to spend than any other G5 conference.

I don't think we will ever be a power conference, but also think the AAC has some real advantages going forward. A two loss CUSA team would probably never be ran k ed by three CFP due to league play. CUSA has solid teams at the top,but lack of tv exposure and brand strength are hurting the league imo.

This sucks for Marshall because Doc has built a heck of a program but one that is not getting noticed like it should.

Sure the AAC has more money and larger budgets but the AAC also has some of the highest total subsidy. That's not the larger % but total amount of dollars the school is kicking in. In the end % of the budget mean very little ..total dollars spent should reflect how it affects the school. So yes budgets are light years ahead but the AAC schools are still in need of 20 to 27 million dollars from their school to make ends meet

Not everyone is listed but out of the 230 schools that were and this was two years ago when UofL was still listed as AAC ...I'm sure that number has increased for most AAC schools since the new TV contract.

This is what I see in these numbers... large metro schools seem to need a ton more money from their school to balance the budget

4 Connecticut AAC $27,203,031
5 Cincinnati AAC $27,118,373
6 Old Dominion C-USA $26,733,437
14 Central Florida AAC $22,843,166
16 Florida International C-USA $22,540,365
17 Houston AAC $21,744,121
19 South Florida AAC $21,355,970
22 Charlotte C-USA $20,459,306
24 Alabama at Birmingham C-USA $20,345,607
29 North Texas C-USA $19,784,033
31 Middle Tennessee State C-USA $19,674,
32 Memphis AAC $19,337,485
50 Florida Atlantic C-USA $16,358,377
52 Western Kentucky Sun Belt $15,758,435
53 East Carolina AAC $15,680,447
56 Texas-El Paso C-USA $15,016,788
58 Texas-San Antonio C-USA $14,810,935
62 Marshall C-USA $14,056,395
117 Louisiana Tech C-USA $9,651,372
124 Southern Mississippi C-USA $9,413,473

Those numbers and success on the FB field don't jive, do they? The top of CUSA, Mtn West, MAC will continue to give the AAC all they want as far as competition for the AB. The SB too maybe every once in a while.

(11-18-2015 04:57 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Sure the AAC has more money and larger budgets but the AAC also has some of the highest total subsidy. That's not the larger % but total amount of dollars the school is kicking in. In the end % of the budget mean very little ..total dollars spent should reflect how it affects the school. So yes budgets are light years ahead but the AAC schools are still in need of 20 to 27 million dollars from their school to make ends meet

Not everyone is listed but out of the 230 schools that were and this was two years ago when UofL was still listed as AAC ...I'm sure that number has increased for most AAC schools since the new TV contract.

This is what I see in these numbers... large metro schools seem to need a ton more money from their school to balance the budget

4 Connecticut AAC $27,203,031
5 Cincinnati AAC $27,118,373
6 Old Dominion C-USA $26,733,437
14 Central Florida AAC $22,843,166
16 Florida International C-USA $22,540,365
17 Houston AAC $21,744,121
19 South Florida AAC $21,355,970
22 Charlotte C-USA $20,459,306
24 Alabama at Birmingham C-USA $20,345,607
29 North Texas C-USA $19,784,033
31 Middle Tennessee State C-USA $19,674,
32 Memphis AAC $19,337,485
50 Florida Atlantic C-USA $16,358,377
52 Western Kentucky Sun Belt $15,758,435
53 East Carolina AAC $15,680,447
56 Texas-El Paso C-USA $15,016,788
58 Texas-San Antonio C-USA $14,810,935
62 Marshall C-USA $14,056,395
117 Louisiana Tech C-USA $9,651,372
124 Southern Mississippi C-USA $9,413,473

I only speak for Memphis, but 2 years ago (when these numbers were current) we were moving from CUSA to the AAC...we knew there would be some expenses on the front, and we were prepared for that.

I have zero issue with being in the 30s on the that list, and I'd love to see it today.

(11-18-2015 04:57 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Sure the AAC has more money and larger budgets but the AAC also has some of the highest total subsidy. That's not the larger % but total amount of dollars the school is kicking in. In the end % of the budget mean very little ..total dollars spent should reflect how it affects the school. So yes budgets are light years ahead but the AAC schools are still in need of 20 to 27 million dollars from their school to make ends meet

Not everyone is listed but out of the 230 schools that were and this was two years ago when UofL was still listed as AAC ...I'm sure that number has increased for most AAC schools since the new TV contract.

This is what I see in these numbers... large metro schools seem to need a ton more money from their school to balance the budget

4 Connecticut AAC $27,203,031
5 Cincinnati AAC $27,118,373
6 Old Dominion C-USA $26,733,437
14 Central Florida AAC $22,843,166
16 Florida International C-USA $22,540,365
17 Houston AAC $21,744,121
19 South Florida AAC $21,355,970
22 Charlotte C-USA $20,459,306
24 Alabama at Birmingham C-USA $20,345,607
29 North Texas C-USA $19,784,033
31 Middle Tennessee State C-USA $19,674,
32 Memphis AAC $19,337,485
50 Florida Atlantic C-USA $16,358,377
52 Western Kentucky Sun Belt $15,758,435
53 East Carolina AAC $15,680,447
56 Texas-El Paso C-USA $15,016,788
58 Texas-San Antonio C-USA $14,810,935
62 Marshall C-USA $14,056,395
117 Louisiana Tech C-USA $9,651,372
124 Southern Mississippi C-USA $9,413,473

The figures are misleading. La Tech, for example, took that entire $9,651,372 from their schools general fund (taxpayer support) whereas most of the $9,413,473 shown for USM came from student athletic fees. La Tech charges no student athletic fee nor do they charge the students for tickets, free ride whereas those schools with student athletic fees are requiring students who have a dog in the fight to pay a share rather than the taxpayers.

(11-18-2015 07:17 AM)bonegreen Wrote:  Those numbers and success on the FB field don't jive, do they? The top of CUSA, Mtn West, MAC will continue to give the AAC all they want as far as competition for the AB. The SB too maybe every once in a while.

The point is to get the $$$ that comes with making the Peach/Fiesta Bowl...AAC has done that...has CUSA?

You mean the large deficit UConn had after the Fiesta Bowl? The conference had nothing to do with it, the teams had good years.

(11-18-2015 09:43 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  You mean the large deficit UConn had after the Fiesta Bowl? The conference had nothing to do with it, the teams had good years.

is that why so many CUSA teams play in the Fiesta/Peach Bowl?

From this thread...



Look at the AACs $$$ total year 1...look at the MWCs $$$ the next year...

Now try and tell me that Access Bowl isn't VERY important.

(11-18-2015 09:48 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 09:43 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  You mean the large deficit UConn had after the Fiesta Bowl? The conference had nothing to do with it, the teams had good years.

is that why so many CUSA teams play in the Fiesta/Peach Bowl?

Are you talking about the Fiesta Bowl that UCF went to 2 years ago? The last year of the BCS system? When the Fiesta Bowl was contractually obligated to take your champ? But then after they powers that be saw what the AAC was relegated the conference to noncontract under the playoff system?

Good chance the AAC takes the Access Bowl this year. And yes you'll have beat our conference out for it along with the other G5's but that's gonna be contractual too. Don't think that the Peach or any other NY6 bowl really wants you there. I'll be rooting for whoever it is to beat the P5 opponent.