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I'm sick of having 3x as many penalties as the other team. Blame on it AM going after the refs if you want, but there is absolutely no denying our team plays stupid kinds of undisciplined hockey, and has for the past few years.

(11-16-2015 12:32 PM)SilentStryk09 Wrote:  I'm sick of having 3x as many penalties as the other team. Blame on it AM going after the refs if you want, but there is absolutely no denying our team plays stupid kinds of undisciplined hockey, and has for the past few years.

The players are playing the style they are told to play if they want to be on the ice,one of the skilled players on the team last year told me AM told him if he wants ice time he better be knocking people into the second row.The kid looked at me after like how stupid is that.

(11-16-2015 12:32 PM)SilentStryk09 Wrote:  I'm sick of having 3x as many penalties as the other team. Blame on it AM going after the refs if you want, but there is absolutely no denying our team plays stupid kinds of undisciplined hockey, and has for the past few years.

It doesn't really matter what the reason is in the end, it has to stop if we're to be consistently successful, but IMO we are trying to play an outdated style of hockey.

(11-17-2015 01:44 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 12:32 PM)SilentStryk09 Wrote:  I'm sick of having 3x as many penalties as the other team. Blame on it AM going after the refs if you want, but there is absolutely no denying our team plays stupid kinds of undisciplined hockey, and has for the past few years.

It doesn't really matter what the reason is in the end, it has to stop if we're to be consistently successful, but IMO we are trying to play an outdated style of hockey.

Pilot you are spot on! AM is trying to play a tough NHL style game in college hockey and it will not work. College hockey is a speed game, where smaller, shifty forwards can excel. I love McKee, but look at the kids numbers in Jr. Hockey. He was an enforcer. With no fighting and no rough stuff allowed in the college game, do we really have the right personnel to compete at the highest level?

It seems that AM wants to change college hockey and his ego will not allow him to change his strategy or the way he conducts himself during games.

Also agree with what Nut said. I have heard the same things too from players. If you don't play AM style, even if you are a skill player, you will not play. AM has his own evaluation system for players and too many guys worrying about coaches stats so they can continue to be in the lineup vs., playing their game.

The remainder of the season will be interesting. I believe the coach is in the last year of his contract. Does he get an extension? Will he choose to stay?

Time will tell.

I think we had a tough weekend against an excellent team. This isn't the CCHA where we played real good teams and got pumped up for those games, and played some medium to lower level schools who may be on a down year, and we could string together some unbeaten streaks. We play power schools almost every week, and even the teams that may be having off years are real good. No letting up any more. Every game must be our "A" game, and if we play a top team, and we have our "D" game, we are going to lose ugly.

AM is a capable coach, and had good success the first year he was here. Many of you have praised his recruiting over the past few years, and you were probably right. Just a couple weeks ago most were celebrating after games against UNO. Its a long season. Lets assess things down the road. Onward and forward.

AM is a capable coach, and had good success the first year he was here. Many of you have praised his recruiting over the past few years, and you were probably right. Just a couple weeks ago most were celebrating after games against UNO. Its a long season. Lets assess things down the road. Onward and forward.
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He had success with players brought in by a different coach. As those guys have cycled out, the team has become inconsistent, and very undisciplined with "his" players. Capable coaches find a way to make it happen. Look at Jim Harbaugh, he's winning with the same guys Brady Hoke couldn't win a high school game with. It's called Leadership! Something lacking IMO with this program.

He was known for getting a lot out of young teams as recently as 12 years ago in the NHL, and the Canadian Jr's right before he came on board to WMU. I see some great coached efforts out of this team where they execute to perfection, and we're all happy.

What I don't like is when things go bad, like the three penalties in a row deal the other night, and I DO mean in a row, they couldn't have tried to screw us any worse, waiting until the end of a PK to call another that way. We obviously aren't loved by the refs, they have rabbit ears towards our bench, and they watch the line changes like a hawk. How many times to you see them denying a quick attempt at a matchup when we are on the road. They look irritated even.

We will see which team comes out for the next few weekends. Obviously I'm hoping for the best but I can't deny what I saw the other day. When those calls went against us we were skating uphill an extra three degrees each goal. NOT OK.

(11-17-2015 04:56 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  He was known for getting a lot out of young teams as recently as 12 years ago in the NHL, and the Canadian Jr's right before he came on board to WMU. I see some great coached efforts out of this team where they execute to perfection, and we're all happy.

What I don't like is when things go bad, like the three penalties in a row deal the other night, and I DO mean in a row, they couldn't have tried to screw us any worse, waiting until the end of a PK to call another that way. We obviously aren't loved by the refs, they have rabbit ears towards our bench, and they watch the line changes like a hawk. How many times to you see them denying a quick attempt at a matchup when we are on the road. They look irritated even.

We will see which team comes out for the next few weekends. Obviously I'm hoping for the best but I can't deny what I saw the other day. When those calls went against us we were skating uphill an extra three degrees each goal. NOT OK.

He was actually known for being overbearing in the NHL with the young talented players,as far as success I believe he went to the playoffs four times and only got past the first round once his entire NHL career.I pray I am wrong but his style will not win here and he is doing nothing to adapt to the game and players.To me a great coach works with what he has and creates the style of play needed to win games,not this is my style and we will do it no matter what.

Can't comment on the SCSU games, as I wasn't able to watch and I'll try to catch up this weekend

From what I've seen, WMU team this year is talented and has the ability to beat any of the teams in the country. I think there youthfulness has showing up a bit in the Clarkson and Miami series and perhaps this was part of the reason in the SCSU series. But this will improve as the season goes on

AM style is fine, it's just a couple of players who need to do a better job playing disapline hockey. It's one thing to play with a physical edge, buts it's another to make bad decisions.

I still have high hopes for this team and look forward to seeing them when they are playing to thier potential.

(11-17-2015 05:52 PM)Bronco nut Wrote:  

(11-17-2015 04:56 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  He was known for getting a lot out of young teams as recently as 12 years ago in the NHL, and the Canadian Jr's right before he came on board to WMU. I see some great coached efforts out of this team where they execute to perfection, and we're all happy.

What I don't like is when things go bad, like the three penalties in a row deal the other night, and I DO mean in a row, they couldn't have tried to screw us any worse, waiting until the end of a PK to call another that way. We obviously aren't loved by the refs, they have rabbit ears towards our bench, and they watch the line changes like a hawk. How many times to you see them denying a quick attempt at a matchup when we are on the road. They look irritated even.

We will see which team comes out for the next few weekends. Obviously I'm hoping for the best but I can't deny what I saw the other day. When those calls went against us we were skating uphill an extra three degrees each goal. NOT OK.

He was actually known for being overbearing in the NHL with the young talented players,as far as success I believe he went to the playoffs four times and only got past the first round once his entire NHL career.I pray I am wrong but his style will not win here and he is doing nothing to adapt to the game and players.To me a great coach works with what he has and creates the style of play needed to win games,not this is my style and we will do it no matter what.

His playoffs were against the Red Wings twice and the Avalanche with the Kings whom they took to seven games. Like I said, he got a lot out of teams with little talent and did so at the JR level.

I too think this is a very good and talented team, I predict we will be fine after this very warranted concern.

These threads are like the Bill Murray movie Groundhogs Day. If you read back the last 2 years on these threads, you are all saying the same things. No discipline, young team, arguing with the referees, tougher conference. Nothing is changing! The definition of insanity is; doing the same things over and over and expecting different results.

Being a fan, we always have or try to have optimism for our teams success. Look at Detroit Lions fans (with the exception of this past weekend), talented players, no leadership. Fans have been expecting a winner for over 50 years! Are the Lions a product of lack of talent or lack of leadership?

Look across the street in Kalamazoo, a bad football team 3-4 years ago, gets a new leader, he struggles at first, then he gets the players to buy into his system, to believe in each other and look at their success, in less time! He's a coach that bigger schools are gonna steal from WMU.

I could list a bunch of other examples, but why bother. It comes down to the same thing. LEADERSHIP!

The football team?!

Name a nationally ranked program, let alone a number one, hell, a team that's considered good that we have beaten in the last three years?

Now I know you're trolling.

(11-18-2015 08:41 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  The football team?!

Name a nationally ranked program, let alone a number one, hell, a team that's considered good that we have beaten in the last three years?

Now I know you're trolling.

No trolling here Mr. Know-It-All. I forgot, your opinion is the only one that counts on this board. I attend EVERY home hockey gamem and have for the last several years. The analogy holds up. A losing program to a winning one that is the comparison I was drawing. Has nothing to do with Nationally ranked programs and beating those teams. That football team competes every game. Can't say the same thing about the hockey program. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!

(11-18-2015 08:52 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:41 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  The football team?!

Name a nationally ranked program, let alone a number one, hell, a team that's considered good that we have beaten in the last three years?

Now I know you're trolling.

No trolling here Mr. Know-It-All. I forgot, your opinion is the only one that counts on this board. I attend EVERY home hockey gamem and have for the last several years. The analogy holds up. A losing program to a winning one that is the comparison I was drawing. Has nothing to do with Nationally ranked programs and beating those teams. That football team competes every game. Can't say the same thing about the hockey program. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!

You as well Flecktard. BTW, 15-20 is not winning.

(11-18-2015 11:09 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:52 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:41 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  The football team?!

Name a nationally ranked program, let alone a number one, hell, a team that's considered good that we have beaten in the last three years?

Now I know you're trolling.

No trolling here Mr. Know-It-All. I forgot, your opinion is the only one that counts on this board. I attend EVERY home hockey gamem and have for the last several years. The analogy holds up. A losing program to a winning one that is the comparison I was drawing. Has nothing to do with Nationally ranked programs and beating those teams. That football team competes every game. Can't say the same thing about the hockey program. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!

You as well Flecktard. BTW, 15-20 is not winning.

Never been to a football game in my life at WMU! Nice try. Dick head!!

(11-18-2015 11:24 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 11:09 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:52 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:41 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  The football team?!

Name a nationally ranked program, let alone a number one, hell, a team that's considered good that we have beaten in the last three years?

Now I know you're trolling.

No trolling here Mr. Know-It-All. I forgot, your opinion is the only one that counts on this board. I attend EVERY home hockey gamem and have for the last several years. The analogy holds up. A losing program to a winning one that is the comparison I was drawing. Has nothing to do with Nationally ranked programs and beating those teams. That football team competes every game. Can't say the same thing about the hockey program. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!

You as well Flecktard. BTW, 15-20 is not winning.

Never been to a football game in my life at WMU! Nice try. Dick head!!

Nonetheless, BAD ANALOGY. AM has issues, we saw that but to hold football's record up for the last three years as the benchmark is really lame.

(11-18-2015 11:28 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 11:24 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 11:09 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:52 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:41 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  The football team?!

Name a nationally ranked program, let alone a number one, hell, a team that's considered good that we have beaten in the last three years?

Now I know you're trolling.

No trolling here Mr. Know-It-All. I forgot, your opinion is the only one that counts on this board. I attend EVERY home hockey gamem and have for the last several years. The analogy holds up. A losing program to a winning one that is the comparison I was drawing. Has nothing to do with Nationally ranked programs and beating those teams. That football team competes every game. Can't say the same thing about the hockey program. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!

You as well Flecktard. BTW, 15-20 is not winning.

Never been to a football game in my life at WMU! Nice try. Dick head!!

Nonetheless, BAD ANALOGY. AM has issues, we saw that but to hold football's record up for the last three years as the benchmark is really lame.

Not record. GROWTH of the program!

(11-18-2015 11:36 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 11:28 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 11:24 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 11:09 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-18-2015 08:52 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  No trolling here Mr. Know-It-All. I forgot, your opinion is the only one that counts on this board. I attend EVERY home hockey gamem and have for the last several years. The analogy holds up. A losing program to a winning one that is the comparison I was drawing. Has nothing to do with Nationally ranked programs and beating those teams. That football team competes every game. Can't say the same thing about the hockey program. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!

You as well Flecktard. BTW, 15-20 is not winning.

Never been to a football game in my life at WMU! Nice try. Dick head!!

Nonetheless, BAD ANALOGY. AM has issues, we saw that but to hold football's record up for the last three years as the benchmark is really lame.

Not record. GROWTH of the program!

15-20 isn't growth pal. They're 6-4 and unless they win the next two, they've shown us nothing new.

To keep things in perspective:

-We are only 1/3 of the way into the season, lots of hockey left and I'm sure everyone would rather see this team peaking going into the conference tournament vs right now.

-Hockey is a game of cycles, with ups and downs. Even the best of teams will have thier moments

-Considering the poor out come of the Clarkson, Miami and SCSU series, WMU is currently tied for 19th pair wise and while it is still early, we are with in striking distance of top 15 auto bid position

-WMU still has two more games vs Miami who is at #18 pairwise and 2 more vs SCSU who is at #2 pairwise. WMU has the opportunity to still balence out the scales in conferece play

-And has anyone notice where pre-season NCHC favorite and national title contender UMD is? They have a 3-5-3 record and are currently #36 pairwise. I still think they may be the most complete team in the NCHC, but right now, they are the 7th best overall team in the conference!!!!

Lots of hockey left, far to early to write these guys off and even with some of the recent losses, they are in good position

(11-18-2015 04:18 PM)BroncoFever Wrote:  To keep things in perspective:

-We are only 1/3 of the way into the season, lots of hockey left and I'm sure everyone would rather see this team peaking going into the conference tournament vs right now.

-Hockey is a game of cycles, with ups and downs. Even the best of teams will have thier moments

-Considering the poor out come of the Clarkson, Miami and SCSU series, WMU is currently tied for 19th pair wise and while it is still early, we are with in striking distance of top 15 auto bid position

-WMU still has two more games vs Miami who is at #18 pairwise and 2 more vs SCSU who is at #2 pairwise. WMU has the opportunity to still balence out the scales in conferece play

-And has anyone notice where pre-season NCHC favorite and national title contender UMD is? They have a 3-5-3 record and are currently #36 pairwise. I still think they may be the most complete team in the NCHC, but right now, they are the 7th best overall team in the conference!!!!

Lots of hockey left, far to early to write these guys off and even with some of the recent losses, they are in good position

that's true. Fortunately the parwise doesn't take into account goal differential in losses. A loss to the #2 pairwise team doesn't hurt all that much, except for pride. We've shown we CAN beat very very good teams, we just have to keep that going.