(11-16-2015 12:11 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 10:29 AM)TimbotheKnight Wrote:  Oh, how painful a loss to UCF on Thanksgiving would be. It would be so sweet to get that win. Side note - I hope our recovery from suck-age is quicker then the Bulls did. I cant wait until that game is what it can be: a battle of rival schools that goes down to the wire.

USF will blow us out this year. But I think the UCF rebuild will be a lot quicker than others expect. Having a new HC that fixes the angles our defense takes on tackles will be an immediate improvement to prevent big plays. Bresnahan ruined the usual good fundamentals of UCF teams of the past

I anticipate a very close game. UCF and your crowd will be stoked to ruin us.

Will be like 13 when we came within an eyelash of upsetting you.

Probably won't happen.

Funny how UCF fans are dumping on Bresnehan, considering how many of them were all saying “In George We Trust”. LOL

UCF has a major talent deficit on defense which is due to recruiting sanctions and bad recruiting decisions. There is not a lot of all conference type of players on that roster....Kyle Gibson being the big exception.

On the offensive side of the ball, gone will be O’Leary’s ability to develop excellent offensive lineman. I hate to ever give GOL credit…but he turned a lot of ‘lowly’ one or two start OL into NFL quality players. That is going to be missed. Similarly your new coach will likely change the offensive philosophy so many of the ‘project’ big-man that O’Leary has brought in the last 2-3 years will likely not fit in any sort of spread type of offense UCF fans seem to be expecting.

All of this of course overlooks the poor history of programs having to hire coaches to follow highly successful head coaches. Most of the time, finding the right successor doesn’t work out. Then again, they may hire Brent Keys and the program may not skip a beat….

(11-16-2015 03:37 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Probably won't happen.

If that glass case is used to house Official NCAA Probation Paperwork....it would be very accurate for USF.

lol at Cyber thinking Brent Key has a chance at the job.

(11-16-2015 04:08 PM)knightastic Wrote:  lol at Cyber thinking Brent Key has a chance at the job.

You guys were singing the "Everything He Touches is Magic" song the last 10 years regarding GOL's decision making. If GOL wanted Key to be his successor....who are us mere mortals to question the man? I am sure he had over 700,000 reasons why he would be a good fit...

So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

(11-16-2015 04:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

thats a 3 way tie that temple would win

cincy can still tie the division but are already mathematically eliminated

its 3 way tie breakers till 1 is removed then its 2 way tie breakers

in the 3-way tie usf would be eliminated first because of the overall record tie breaker (which is #1 after head to head, conference record) and then its temple and cincy who will have the same record but temple has the head to head tie breaker

sorry to inform you but the Houston beating you got this year will be the only chance you will have this year

but your scenario brings up the other point that usf cant hope for temple to lose out and just beat ucf to win the east, and in that scenerio above will likely happen and temple will still get it ..it's win this week or its unlikely

(11-16-2015 04:25 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:08 PM)knightastic Wrote:  lol at Cyber thinking Brent Key has a chance at the job.

You guys were singing the "Everything He Touches is Magic" song the last 10 years regarding GOL's decision making. If GOL wanted Key to be his successor....who are us mere mortals to question the man? I am sure he had over 700,000 reasons why he would be a good fit...

the 2 same posters is not 'you guys'. I never liked Key at anything higher than an Oline coach. UCF already confirmed to the media that no one on the current staff is being considered.

Just admit that you hate UCF too much to ever be objective or positive about our future

(11-16-2015 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

thats a 3 way tie that temple would win

cincy can still tie the division but are already mathematically eliminated

its 3 way tie breakers till 1 is removed then its 2 way tie breakers

in the 3-way tie usf would be eliminated first because of the overall record tie breaker (which is #1 after head to head, conference record) and then its temple and cincy who will have the same record but temple has the head to head tie breaker

sorry to inform you but the Houston beating you got this year will be the only chance you will have this year

but your scenario brings up the other point that usf cant hope for temple to lose out and just beat ucf to win the east, and in that scenerio above will likely happen and temple will still get it ..it's win this week or its unlikely

Not true. Division record is first. Temple would be eliminated on that. Uc wins tiebreaker over usf [and UConn if 4 way tie

(11-16-2015 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

thats a 3 way tie that temple would win

cincy can still tie the division but are already mathematically eliminated

its 3 way tie breakers till 1 is removed then its 2 way tie breakers

in the 3-way tie usf would be eliminated first because of the overall record tie breaker (which is #1 after head to head, conference record) and then its temple and cincy who will have the same record but temple has the head to head tie breaker

sorry to inform you but the Houston beating you got this year will be the only chance you will have this year

but your scenario brings up the other point that usf cant hope for temple to lose out and just beat ucf to win the east, and in that scenerio above will likely happen and temple will still get it ..it's win this week or its unlikely

Not true. Division record is first. Temple would be eliminated on that. Uc wins tiebreaker over usf [and UConn if 4 way tie

Let me help you with some simple math.

Temple is 8-2 and 5-1 in conference. They have two games left, (Memphis and UConn respectively).

USF is 6-4 and 4-2 in conference. They have 2 games left, (UC and UCF respectively).

Cincinnati is 6-4 and 3-3 in conference. They have 2 games left, (USF and ECU respectively).

So you see that even if Temple lost both their remaining games, they'd be 5-3 in conference. UC even if you won your two remaining games, you'd only be 5-3 in conference and would lose the tie-breaker to Temple as they beat you head to head.

USF needs Temple to lose only one of their remaining games and then win out and they win the Division. If USF loses any game left, Temple is the Division winner.

(11-16-2015 04:46 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:25 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:08 PM)knightastic Wrote:  lol at Cyber thinking Brent Key has a chance at the job.

You guys were singing the "Everything He Touches is Magic" song the last 10 years regarding GOL's decision making. If GOL wanted Key to be his successor....who are us mere mortals to question the man? I am sure he had over 700,000 reasons why he would be a good fit...

the 2 same posters is not 'you guys'. I never liked Key at anything higher than an Oline coach. UCF already confirmed to the media that no one on the current staff is being considered.

Just admit that you hate UCF too much to ever be objective or positive about our future

I guess the sarcasm is lost on ppl like you....

(11-16-2015 09:29 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

thats a 3 way tie that temple would win

cincy can still tie the division but are already mathematically eliminated

its 3 way tie breakers till 1 is removed then its 2 way tie breakers

in the 3-way tie usf would be eliminated first because of the overall record tie breaker (which is #1 after head to head, conference record) and then its temple and cincy who will have the same record but temple has the head to head tie breaker

sorry to inform you but the Houston beating you got this year will be the only chance you will have this year

but your scenario brings up the other point that usf cant hope for temple to lose out and just beat ucf to win the east, and in that scenerio above will likely happen and temple will still get it ..it's win this week or its unlikely

Not true. Division record is first. Temple would be eliminated on that. Uc wins tiebreaker over usf [and UConn if 4 way tie

Let me help you with some simple math.

Temple is 8-2 and 5-1 in conference. They have two games left, (Memphis and UConn respectively).

USF is 6-4 and 4-2 in conference. They have 2 games left, (UC and UCF respectively).

Cincinnati is 6-4 and 3-3 in conference. They have 2 games left, (USF and ECU respectively).

So you see that even if Temple lost both their remaining games, they'd be 5-3 in conference. UC even if you won your two remaining games, you'd only be 5-3 in conference and would lose the tie-breaker to Temple as they beat you head to head.

USF needs Temple to lose only one of their remaining games and then win out and they win the Division. If USF loses any game left, Temple is the Division winner.

If we go 1-1 and Temple loses the next 2, we still win the division. It seems like no one is giving UConn a chance against Temple. I think that game could go either way if UConn plays their A game.

I am not sure why we are talking about UCF... no one cares


The team to beat is Cincy

(11-16-2015 09:29 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

thats a 3 way tie that temple would win

cincy can still tie the division but are already mathematically eliminated

its 3 way tie breakers till 1 is removed then its 2 way tie breakers

in the 3-way tie usf would be eliminated first because of the overall record tie breaker (which is #1 after head to head, conference record) and then its temple and cincy who will have the same record but temple has the head to head tie breaker

sorry to inform you but the Houston beating you got this year will be the only chance you will have this year

but your scenario brings up the other point that usf cant hope for temple to lose out and just beat ucf to win the east, and in that scenerio above will likely happen and temple will still get it ..it's win this week or its unlikely

Not true. Division record is first. Temple would be eliminated on that. Uc wins tiebreaker over usf [and UConn if 4 way tie

Let me help you with some simple math.

Temple is 8-2 and 5-1 in conference. They have two games left, (Memphis and UConn respectively).

USF is 6-4 and 4-2 in conference. They have 2 games left, (UC and UCF respectively).

Cincinnati is 6-4 and 3-3 in conference. They have 2 games left, (USF and ECU respectively).

So you see that even if Temple lost both their remaining games, they'd be 5-3 in conference. UC even if you won your two remaining games, you'd only be 5-3 in conference and would lose the tie-breaker to Temple as they beat you head to head.

USF needs Temple to lose only one of their remaining games and then win out and they win the Division. If USF loses any game left, Temple is the Division winner.

You are wrong. The Cincinnati Enquirer contacted the AAC on Sunday. They confirmed Cincy is still alive. Below is directly from the enquirer.

The AAC East standings see Temple (5-1) at the top, followed by USF (4-2), UC (3-3), UConn (3-3, East Carolina (2-4) and UCF (0-6).

AAC assistant commissioner Chuck Sullivan, via email, said Sunday that there are a few routes by which UC could become the East representative in the championship game:

- UC would win a three-way tiebreaker with Temple and USF. In that instance, UC and USF would have a better divisional record than Temple, and a UC win against USF (necessary to forge such a tie) would prevail.

- UC would win a three-way tie with Temple and UConn, based on having a better divisional record than the other two.

- UC would win a four-way tie with Temple, USF and UConn. UC and USF would be 4-1 in the division and UConn and Temple would be 3-2. A UC win against USF would be the tiebreaker.

(11-16-2015 09:29 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

thats a 3 way tie that temple would win

cincy can still tie the division but are already mathematically eliminated

its 3 way tie breakers till 1 is removed then its 2 way tie breakers

in the 3-way tie usf would be eliminated first because of the overall record tie breaker (which is #1 after head to head, conference record) and then its temple and cincy who will have the same record but temple has the head to head tie breaker

sorry to inform you but the Houston beating you got this year will be the only chance you will have this year

but your scenario brings up the other point that usf cant hope for temple to lose out and just beat ucf to win the east, and in that scenerio above will likely happen and temple will still get it ..it's win this week or its unlikely

Not true. Division record is first. Temple would be eliminated on that. Uc wins tiebreaker over usf [and UConn if 4 way tie

Let me help you with some simple math.

Temple is 8-2 and 5-1 in conference. They have two games left, (Memphis and UConn respectively).

USF is 6-4 and 4-2 in conference. They have 2 games left, (UC and UCF respectively).

Cincinnati is 6-4 and 3-3 in conference. They have 2 games left, (USF and ECU respectively).

So you see that even if Temple lost both their remaining games, they'd be 5-3 in conference. UC even if you won your two remaining games, you'd only be 5-3 in conference and would lose the tie-breaker to Temple as they beat you head to head.

USF needs Temple to lose only one of their remaining games and then win out and they win the Division. If USF loses any game left, Temple is the Division winner.

Again... I just explained the simple math. You'd also be 5-3 in that scenario (assuming you beat UCF...which I mean...you better). That's a 3 way tie (possibly 4 way if UConn joins us there). UC wins a 3 way tie and a 4 way tie at 5-3, based on division record (where Temple would have 2 losses so they'd be eliminated) and head to head (where UC would have beaten USF and UConn). It's a long shot as it depends on 5 things happening, none of which are that crazy, but all happening would be fairly surprising. That said my math is right.

(11-17-2015 06:36 AM)CPR Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 09:29 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 06:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 04:29 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  So could Cincinnati... I mean it's a bigger longshot, but involves a series of things that each aren't very crazy.

1. UC beats USF (tossupish)
2. Memphis beats Temple (more likely than not)
3. UC beats ECU (more likely than not)
4. USF beats UCF (extremely likely)
5. UConn beats Temple (unlikely, but not unreasonable)

6. UC goes the the conference title and beats Houston's ass (or beats Navy if that's the case)

thats a 3 way tie that temple would win

cincy can still tie the division but are already mathematically eliminated

its 3 way tie breakers till 1 is removed then its 2 way tie breakers

in the 3-way tie usf would be eliminated first because of the overall record tie breaker (which is #1 after head to head, conference record) and then its temple and cincy who will have the same record but temple has the head to head tie breaker

sorry to inform you but the Houston beating you got this year will be the only chance you will have this year

but your scenario brings up the other point that usf cant hope for temple to lose out and just beat ucf to win the east, and in that scenerio above will likely happen and temple will still get it ..it's win this week or its unlikely

Not true. Division record is first. Temple would be eliminated on that. Uc wins tiebreaker over usf [and UConn if 4 way tie

Let me help you with some simple math.

Temple is 8-2 and 5-1 in conference. They have two games left, (Memphis and UConn respectively).

USF is 6-4 and 4-2 in conference. They have 2 games left, (UC and UCF respectively).

Cincinnati is 6-4 and 3-3 in conference. They have 2 games left, (USF and ECU respectively).

So you see that even if Temple lost both their remaining games, they'd be 5-3 in conference. UC even if you won your two remaining games, you'd only be 5-3 in conference and would lose the tie-breaker to Temple as they beat you head to head.

USF needs Temple to lose only one of their remaining games and then win out and they win the Division. If USF loses any game left, Temple is the Division winner.

If we go 1-1 and Temple loses the next 2, we still win the division. It seems like no one is giving UConn a chance against Temple. I think that game could go either way if UConn plays their A game.

Not if the Bearcats win out. Any scenario where UC gets tied for 1st with USF, they will win the tiebreaker. It's that simple.

(11-15-2015 03:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 03:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  As more and more teams drop from other conferences, it starts to become more and more possible that if USF wins conf. at 9-4, they'd have a chance at Peach Bowl. Yes, I said it. Think about this.

As of now, USF would be compared against:

WKU (8-2) or Marshall (9-2)
Toledo (9-1) or Bowling Green (8-2)
Air Force (7-3) or San Diego State (7-3) (Boise has one more conf. loss than AFA.
Arkansas State (7-3) If Ark St. loses then possibly Ga Southern or App St.

We would have won 8 of 9. Committee will like that.
Would have beat a top 25 Temple, and probably a 10 Houston or Navy.
Would have Beat Cincinnati (who defeated Miami)
Would have defeated one so called power 5 opponent (Syracuse)
3 of 4 losses would have been to top 25 teams.

I know it's still a long shot, but if you look at the records of the other G5 teams, you see it starts to become possible.

boise is still in it and probably wins the MWC, they havent played air force which will get them the tie breaker

toledo doesnt control its own destiny NIU does...

USF needs SDSU to win the MWC, NIU to win the MAC, La Tech/USM to win C-USA ( already trumps anyone in the Sunbelt) to have a legit shot

Boise is 3rd in their division. They're toast.

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(11-17-2015 09:54 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 03:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-15-2015 03:17 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  As more and more teams drop from other conferences, it starts to become more and more possible that if USF wins conf. at 9-4, they'd have a chance at Peach Bowl. Yes, I said it. Think about this.

As of now, USF would be compared against:

WKU (8-2) or Marshall (9-2)
Toledo (9-1) or Bowling Green (8-2)
Air Force (7-3) or San Diego State (7-3) (Boise has one more conf. loss than AFA.
Arkansas State (7-3) If Ark St. loses then possibly Ga Southern or App St.

We would have won 8 of 9. Committee will like that.
Would have beat a top 25 Temple, and probably a 10 Houston or Navy.
Would have Beat Cincinnati (who defeated Miami)
Would have defeated one so called power 5 opponent (Syracuse)
3 of 4 losses would have been to top 25 teams.

I know it's still a long shot, but if you look at the records of the other G5 teams, you see it starts to become possible.

boise is still in it and probably wins the MWC, they havent played air force which will get them the tie breaker

toledo doesnt control its own destiny NIU does...

USF needs SDSU to win the MWC, NIU to win the MAC, La Tech/USM to win C-USA ( already trumps anyone in the Sunbelt) to have a legit shot

Boise is 3rd in their division. They're toast.

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The only thing USF can do is beat Cincy and C.Florida. It has no control over anything else.

Even if the season ended without a bowl game and we won our last two games, it would still be one of the most important seasons ever in USF's short history b/c we finally turned the corner again with a chance to compete moving forward. USF has always been long on potential but short on finishing seasons out strong. The last two games present an opportunity to change that narrative....with a VERY young team and coaching staff coming back next year!

The future looks bright for at least one of the two Florida AAC teams...