(11-12-2015 03:29 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 06:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  DC residents have no business voting in anything.

There's a substantial number of high income people who live in DC who pay Fed tax and have no COngressional Representation. That is a joke

That's precisely the point. The fact you don't know that is the only joke here.

Do people really believe that America should require people own property in order to vote?

(11-12-2015 04:45 PM)ODU06 Wrote:  Do people really believe that America should require people own property in order to vote?

A handful do. They can't accept that the people voted in a certain way, so they want to bend the rules in their favor. Requiring property ownership is a good way to exclude the poor and young, which by complete coincidence, tend to vote Democrat.

(11-11-2015 07:09 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Might want to reduce the voting age while we're at it. Lots of old ass m'fers need to move on as well.

You mean like them "old ass m'fers" who fought and won World War II?

(11-11-2015 05:32 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I do think there needs to be some standard for basic competency before you can vote. All possible solutions, however, will be buried as racist.

Owning land (or a condo/apt) isn't a bad one. I think the best I've been able to come up with is having a job. You have to show a W-2 or 1099-MISC or similar. It must show a minimum of $10,000 of NON-WELFARE income. Let those who pay the taxes have the entire say in where they go.

I agree with your 2nd option. If you are not working, you don't deserve representation.

(11-12-2015 04:54 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 04:45 PM)ODU06 Wrote:  Do people really believe that America should require people own property in order to vote?

A handful do. They can't accept that the people voted in a certain way, so they want to bend the rules in their favor. Requiring property ownership is a good way to exclude the poor and young, which by complete coincidence, tend to vote Democrat.

It's hardly something new, but the alternative is nothing short of a push in a different direction, not some morally absolute position.

You can constrict the people who can vote in one way which is good for group x or you can grow the group of people which is good for group y.

Asking yourself where the line should be is perfectly reasonable.

There should be a simple competency test. You should be able to name how many senators there are, what the V.P. does, and answer other very basic civics questions. If one doesn't understand how the government works on any level then why should one vote? Responsible citizenry is important, not mere citizenry.

(11-12-2015 03:24 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 05:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 04:37 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  thoughts?

That type of childish applies to a lot of people over 25 as well.

For example the Repub candidates in the 2nd debate who couldn't stomach the idea of a debate lasting longer than 2 hours where there were 10 candidates in the main debate forum. 2 Hours is not enough time for 10 candidates to property express their views on important issues.

it's off topic a tad, but I completely agree with this....

I mean, we're only talking about choosing the leader of this cuntry....

now, I have to get back to my dvr version of the 'view'

.....people.....

(11-12-2015 03:40 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Cons wouldn't be coming up with nutty ideas like this if they hadn't dug themselves such an electoral hole.

Asians (who are by and large a huge economic success) vote primarily Democratic
Single women (who is the last election made up23% of the popular vote) Voted more than 2/1 Democratic at least partially because Cons want to take away Abortion rights and restrict or eliminate Birth Control
Gays vote largely Democratic because Republicans continually strive to make them less than equal citizens.

Union households vote primarily Democratic because the Cons want to lower their wages, benefits & standard of living, small wonder why they vote the way they do.

the con platform is beyond outdated......

they are collective idiots....

(11-12-2015 07:41 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 04:54 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 04:45 PM)ODU06 Wrote:  Do people really believe that America should require people own property in order to vote?

A handful do. They can't accept that the people voted in a certain way, so they want to bend the rules in their favor. Requiring property ownership is a good way to exclude the poor and young, which by complete coincidence, tend to vote Democrat.

It's hardly something new, but the alternative is nothing short of a push in a different direction, not some morally absolute position.

You can constrict the people who can vote in one way which is good for group x or you can grow the group of people which is good for group y.

Asking yourself where the line should be is perfectly reasonable.

There should be a simple competency test. You should be able to name how many senators there are, what the V.P. does, and answer other very basic civics questions. If one doesn't understand how the government works on any level then why should one vote? Responsible citizenry is important, not mere citizenry.

hence, the reason for the 'idiot' test....

btw, everyone knows the vp doesn't do shite

just look at corp 'murica it's even better when "executive" is attached.....

It's really amazing to me that some people do not understand the fact that the U.S. Is not a democracy. We are a Representative Republic based upon a Constitution.

Some have ready failed the competency test. Carry On!

IMHO, if you don't pay taxes (or have never paid taxes) you shouldn't get to vote.

(11-13-2015 09:00 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's really amazing to me that some people do not understand the fact that the U.S. Is not a democracy. We are a Representative Republic based upon a Constitution.

Some have ready failed the competency test. Carry On!

Never fail to underestimate the stupidity that surrounds you. Even when it comes to something as simple as what you stated above.

(11-12-2015 03:29 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 06:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  DC residents have no business voting in anything.

There's a substantial number of high income people who live in DC who pay Fed tax and have no COngressional Representation. That is a joke

Then the district should be another county in MD.

(11-13-2015 10:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 09:00 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's really amazing to me that some people do not understand the fact that the U.S. Is not a democracy. We are a Representative Republic based upon a Constitution.

Some have ready failed the competency test. Carry On!

Never fail to underestimate the stupidity that surrounds you. Even when it comes to something as simple as what you stated above.

Such as exact thing stated above? I thought we were done with this stupid talking point when okladixie left.

The term "Republic" has absolutely nothing to do with how much say the people have in the govt. all it means is whether we are a monarchy or not. Literally every country in the world except North Korea uses that as the terminology as to whether they are a republic or not.

Iran is a republic, Great Britain is not. South Korea is a republic, Japan is not.

The US in 2015 is 100% a democracy. There are different types of democracies such as direct or representative the bold being the one we are classified as. It's an idiotic misconception that seems to be circulating around various conservative circles for some reason. Why? I have no idea.

I thought we were done with you j-zero. Did you just wake up from mommies sofa ?

(11-13-2015 01:58 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  I thought we were done with you j-zero. Did you just wake up from mommies sofa ?

Normally I would just chalk this up as immaturity on your part, but seeing how it's right after I clarified how wrong you were I am just going to call this response bitterness.

(11-13-2015 11:02 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 03:29 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 06:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  DC residents have no business voting in anything.

There's a substantial number of high income people who live in DC who pay Fed tax and have no COngressional Representation. That is a joke

Then the district should be another county in MD.

I'd be OK with that.

Or just not paying federal income taxes.

J-Z,

We a re a Constitutional ruling Law Representative Republic. Tell what the Founding Fathers , Ben Franklin say?? I'll wait

(11-13-2015 02:12 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 11:02 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 03:29 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 06:22 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  DC residents have no business voting in anything.

There's a substantial number of high income people who live in DC who pay Fed tax and have no COngressional Representation. That is a joke

Then the district should be another county in MD.

I'd be OK with that.

Or just not paying federal income taxes.

So, you'd want to create an incentive to live in D.C.? The idea was that nobody was supposed to be there anyways.

That's why they, rightfully, don't have any representation.

Want to have a vote? Follow your piss downhill and move there.

(11-13-2015 02:17 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  J-Z,

We a re a Constitutional ruling Law Representative Republic. Tell what the Founding Fathers , Ben Franklin say?? I'll wait

Further proof you have no idea what you are talking about. Of the people who are educated on the topic that actually agree with this stance, (which is by no means the majority) they also include one other critical detail: The terminology regarding democracy and constitutional republic has changed considerably since the 18th century. Back during the writings of our founding fathers when this was brought up the concept of "democracy" was considered only to be what we call direct democracy today. The concept of representative democracy was later included in the broader scope of what constitutes a democracy.

TLDR In the 17th century Democracy = Direct Democracy. In 2015 it means direct or representative democracy.

I get that the conservatives love butchering history on this forum, but at this point it's kinda ridiculous. seriously go google a list of republics and non-republics and you will see no correlation between democracy/not a democracy.