I can't see them getting into the playoff this year even if the champ is undefeated. Luckily for them the American is having a great year and they can pick the two best fits for them.

Cinci and memphis to B12

AAC backfills with NIU and UMASS

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Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Navy, Temple, USF, UCF or East Carolina. If they take all 8? That gives them 18 for football, 17 for basketball and kills the AAC off as a G5 conference leaving them UConn, Tulane, Tulsa and SMU.


AAC will take 8.
Northern Illinois
Toledo
Ohio U.
U.Mass.
Marshall
Southern Miss.
UTSA
Middle Tennessee State
La. Tech
Arkansas State
FIU
or some others like James Madison, Charlotte, Delaware, Old Dominion and so forth.

More likely they put an impetus on OOC scheduling and gets rid of some of the dead weight games.

(11-10-2015 07:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  More likely they put an impetus on OOC scheduling and gets rid of some of the dead weight games.

Briles said he will keep scheduling as he prefers not based on some committee

(11-10-2015 07:30 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  I can't see them getting into the playoff this year even if the champ is undefeated. Luckily for them the American is having a great year and they can pick the two best fits for them.

Why? They are giving Baylor all kinds of love even though they haven't played anyone yet. If they win out, you think they will keep them at 6?

That sounds good but you and I both know that he's completely FOS. If the rest of his league is playing more challenging OOC games, BU will follow suit. They won't have any other choice.

BTW, I think the B12 still has a good shot of getting a team in this year's playoff. However, they are obviously going to need some help.

North Carolina vs. Clemson in the ACC title game will be a game to keep your eye on. UNC is FAR better than most seem to realize. They are absolutely capable of knocking off the Tigers. Notre Dame @ Stanford is another game to watch. That could be for a playoff berth.

Having seen the Tar Heels and Fighting Irish up close in recent weeks, I think both teams are very good. UNC is big and athletic at the skill positions and in their secondary. ND has good skill too but they also have excellent linemen. I'm a believer in both teams and that's not always the case.

Baylor is gonna jump them and then Irish nation will throw a hissy fit. Barring a 59-0 win against Stanford (or vice versa) AND Baylor winning every game FSU style last year, the Bears are in with that backend gauntlet. Same for OSU (Okie). Of course, I don't expect either scenario in a million years and multiple teams are losing coming up.

There's still so much time for rankings to change and top teams to lose, but - hypothetically - it would be very interesting to see what the Big 12 response would be if they get an undefeated Baylor/OK State left out (especially if a one loss Notre Dame gets voted in). It would be two consecutive years for their top team left out of the CFP - and that cannot happen long term in order for the league to maintain its power status.

It would be the easiest thing in the world to add a combination of schools from the AAC (Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston). Each would bring a new market, a strong current football program (not to mention men's basketball), a strong recruiting area and, most importantly, would take away the drain of both Kansas and Iowa State in conference play. Adding just two new football programs to elevate the strength of the conference would change a whole lot for the perception of the league.

(11-10-2015 08:15 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Baylor is gonna jump them and then Irish nation will throw a hissy fit. Barring a 59-0 win against Stanford (or vice versa) AND Baylor winning every game FSU style last year, the Bears are in with that backend gauntlet. Same for OSU (Okie). Of course, I don't expect either scenario in a million years and multiple teams are losing coming up.

Baylor problem is weak SOS. Remember, FSU did play three P5s and FCS last year. Baylor has played two G5s and FCS this year. If ND goes 11-1, they will be in over and undefeated Baylor team. To me this is similar to how Marshall was getting dinged for a weak OOC and SOS last year.

(11-10-2015 08:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  There's still so much time for rankings to change and top teams to lose, but - hypothetically - it would be very interesting to see what the Big 12 response would be if they get an undefeated Baylor/OK State left out (especially if a one loss Notre Dame gets voted in). It would be two consecutive years for their top team left out of the CFP - and that cannot happen long term in order for the league to maintain its power status.

It would be the easiest thing in the world to add a combination of schools from the AAC (Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston). Each would bring a new market, a strong current football program (not to mention men's basketball), a strong recruiting area and, most importantly, would take away the drain of both Kansas and Iowa State in conference play. Adding just two new football programs to elevate the strength of the conference would change a whole lot for the perception of the league.

Houston is the odd man out of what you listed... B12 is saturated in texas, no need for Houston there. And besides Cinci and Memphis make more sense AND bring more markets. They'll get the nod first

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(11-10-2015 08:15 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Baylor is gonna jump them and then Irish nation will throw a hissy fit. Barring a 59-0 win against Stanford (or vice versa) AND Baylor winning every game FSU style last year, the Bears are in with that backend gauntlet. Same for OSU (Okie). Of course, I don't expect either scenario in a million years and multiple teams are losing coming up.

Agree on all accounts, but last point is most important. Multiple more losses to the top teams are going to happen and even losses down the ladder have effects on the puzzle.

(11-10-2015 08:34 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 08:15 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Baylor is gonna jump them and then Irish nation will throw a hissy fit. Barring a 59-0 win against Stanford (or vice versa) AND Baylor winning every game FSU style last year, the Bears are in with that backend gauntlet. Same for OSU (Okie). Of course, I don't expect either scenario in a million years and multiple teams are losing coming up.

Baylor problem is weak SOS. Remember, FSU did play three P5s and FCS last year. Baylor has played two G5s and FCS this year. If ND goes 11-1, they will be in over and undefeated Baylor team. To me this is similar to how Marshall was getting dinged for a weak OOC and SOS last year.

So now the Big 12 is at MAC and CUSA level... These fans... I understand all the Big 12 hate with respect to alignment and rightly so (I hate those programs as well), but c'mon people... Really? Believe me, I don't want to see them in either, but they are getting in because that's how, something called a winning percentage ya' know, works?

TO me the wildcard is ND. But they should be hurt with the no Championship game or even a Conference Champion. Lets say the 4th spot is between ND and Baylor/OK State. ND would not be a Conference Champion which the committee says it does weigh and neither would play a conference championship. So how do you put them ahead of the champion of a major conference?

(11-10-2015 09:07 PM)Greenroom Wrote:  TO me the wildcard is ND. But they should be hurt with the no Championship game or even a Conference Champion. Lets say the 4th spot is between ND and Baylor/OK State. ND would not be a Conference Champion which the committee says it does weigh and neither would play a conference championship. So how do you put them ahead of the champion of a major conference?

BECuzzzz it's NOtre Freakin' Dames....

(11-10-2015 07:30 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  I can't see them getting into the playoff this year even if the champ is undefeated. Luckily for them the American is having a great year and they can pick the two best fits for them.

I can't see an undefeated Big 12 team not getting in against one-loss Notre Dame.

Let's assume Baylor:

Baylor (undefeated) top wins:
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech/Iowa State

Notre Dame (one loss) top wins:
Stanford
Navy
Temple
Pitt
USC


Comparison .. if Houston goes undefeated:
Navy
Memphis
Temple
Louisville
Cincinnati


Note: RPI rankings are much higher in top AAC and Big 12 at the top than ACC (Notre Dame's quasi-conference). Two of Notre Dame's top three wins are AAC teams right now.

(11-10-2015 08:34 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 08:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  There's still so much time for rankings to change and top teams to lose, but - hypothetically - it would be very interesting to see what the Big 12 response would be if they get an undefeated Baylor/OK State left out (especially if a one loss Notre Dame gets voted in). It would be two consecutive years for their top team left out of the CFP - and that cannot happen long term in order for the league to maintain its power status.

It would be the easiest thing in the world to add a combination of schools from the AAC (Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston). Each would bring a new market, a strong current football program (not to mention men's basketball), a strong recruiting area and, most importantly, would take away the drain of both Kansas and Iowa State in conference play. Adding just two new football programs to elevate the strength of the conference would change a whole lot for the perception of the league.

Houston is the odd man out of what you listed... B12 is saturated in texas, no need for Houston there. And besides Cinci and Memphis make more sense AND bring more markets. They'll get the nod first

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You're gonna be pretty surprised when things officially go down. You're not from down here, so you haven't got a clue how things work in Texas. But, you'll find out soon enough.

I love people outside of Texas that pretend to know Texas politics

I really do not understand for one second why people are worried about an undefeated Big 12 champ not making it. I hear the same thing from commenters on the radio and almost laugh. These rankings change over time and teams that remain undefeated push their way up. That's especially true when the Big 12 schedule for all the playoff contenders is extremely backloaded (remember TCU was above Baylor the whole year last year, but once Baylor had the final tough game vs. Kansas State, they shot up). There is no scenario I can see at all where an undefeated Baylor or Oklahoma State is left out.

Now a 1-loss Big 12 champ will probably need one of the following: a) the winner of Notre Dame/Stanford to lose another game (Stanford being the easier one to see loosing again), b) a 2-loss SEC champ or might get in, c) a 1-loss Big Ten champ or d) 1-loss Clemson to deal. The former two would more than likely put the Big 12 team in. The latter two might.