Would be curious to know the actual details on some of these guys. I think some are assuming these top recruits that were 4 and 5 star guys are only coming to UAB because they are partial qualifiers and our ability to accept them. While that may be true in some cases, I do not think that is generally the case. Contrary to what some might think is logical, I think many are actually picking UAB based on our coach, our school, and our city. Most of our current commitments hold offers in hand not just to FBS schools but many of them hold offers to Power 5 conference schools.

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  I wish UAB well in their comeback, but giving them this advantage in recruiting because of something that was their own choosing just can't be allowed. Before you UAB people jump me, I gave money to your resurgence and want you back, but giving to an advantage on non qualifiers just can't happen.

If they're qualified by '17, what's the problem?

Once again, if you feel UAB is getting an unfair advantage, I suggest you follow the Ray Watts model of securing it, and see if you get any complaints out of me.

BTW, how are you enjoying USM's season THIS year?

I and many are enjoying our football season this year very much. But I have to ask this question...Was Ray Watts, like him or not, connected to UAB? We should have just officially quit football here at USM also after the Ellis Johnson debacle. We would have been back quicker with the advantages you are getting rather than have to trudge through the three past years...looking forward to '17 when you are back.

If they're qualified by '17, what's the problem?

Because they are protected and can't be recruited by anyone else during this time. Very unfair advantage. Done is done, however, and great to have you coming back.

(11-11-2015 09:12 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Because they are protected and can't be recruited by anyone else during this time. Very unfair advantage. Done is done, however, and great to have you coming back.

Do you expect all of these recruits will hit the field for UAB in 2017? Do you think UAB will have more than 70 or 75 guys in scholarship in Fall 2017?

C-USA schools absolutely did not want us signing an entire team's worth of guys this off season in order to hit the field n 2016. This seems like a trade off. UAB can sign a few guys that wouldn't make it elsewhere but can't play until 2017.

If we go undefeated in 2017 and 2018 then maybe your point is valid.

You don't have to go undefeated for my point to be valid, but, so be it. I am on your side friends....

This may sound overly dramatic, but it is how I feel about the UAB situation.

Ray Watts is a de facto dictator installed by those wishing no good for UAB Athletics. I am confident that had there been a vote for UAB President by students and alumni, Watts would not have won. But that is not how things are done. Those who hire university presidents are supposed to have the best interest of the university as their raison d'être, but that, in this instance was not the case.

To suggest that UAB was the cause of their own programs demise is like saying the residents of any country, or members of any organization, which is led by a despot are responsible for the brutality perpetrated upon them. It (the UA System) is a malevolent system, and UAB Football was freed and revived by the sheer will and power of it's true supporters, and it's many allies. IMO any benefits which UAB Athletics is now enjoying are not only proper, but there is no way they can fully indemnify all those who were damaged by the actions of Watts and the UA System. The sad reality is that the despot remains in power.

Don't mind the NCAA making some exceptions and adjustments for the benefit of UAB. If Watts had not screwed his own university, I think the Blazer football program would have been incredibly competitive this year and next. Having UAB at full strength is in CUSA's best interest and for both MT and WKU, they can be a solid rival for years to come!

(11-11-2015 11:16 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Don't mind the NCAA making some exceptions and adjustments for the benefit of UAB. If Watts had not screwed his own university, I think the Blazer football program would have been incredibly competitive this year and next. Having UAB at full strength is in CUSA's best interest and for both MT and WKU, they can be a solid rival for years to come!

I agree but it isn't good if they give us too much. I appreciate help but don't want them to go so far as to piss off every other school in the conference.

Ray Watts is not one of us. I don't give a damn where he got his undergrad.

(11-11-2015 11:18 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 11:16 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Don't mind the NCAA making some exceptions and adjustments for the benefit of UAB. If Watts had not screwed his own university, I think the Blazer football program would have been incredibly competitive this year and next. Having UAB at full strength is in CUSA's best interest and for both MT and WKU, they can be a solid rival for years to come!

I agree but it isn't good if they give us too much. I appreciate help but don't want them to go so far as to piss off every other school in the conference.

They should've let you pick 25 of Bama's players this year and next and forced them to transfer. That would've put the hurt where it belongs.

(11-10-2015 07:12 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 07:08 PM)Colonel Angus Wrote:  The article above says they can take partial qualifiers that still need to be in a junior college. Meaning no other D1 school in the country could sign these kids in December but UAB. Pretty huge advantage. They can go to UAB and get qualified there.

Tell you what. If you think UAB is securing an unfair advantage, I invite your team of choice to follow the Ray Watts model of securing it.

Cancel football
Bring it back
Sit out 2 years
Sign some partial qualifiers.

I promise, I won't complain at all.

Take it easy fella. It is a huge advantage and he didn't say it wasn't fair.

I say CUSA has an expansion draft where they draft players from each team like they did with Carolina Panthers and Jacksonville Jaguars back in the day. Leave certain players unprotected and if UAB picks them they transfer.

Seriously though ANY advantage for UAB is fine by me. They e gone through hell.

Thanks man. As I've told a couple of Auburn fans I know: A bad football team is better than no football team.
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You copied that from us, didn't you?

(11-11-2015 10:07 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  This may sound overly dramatic, but it is how I feel about the UAB situation.

Ray Watts is a de facto dictator installed by those wishing no good for UAB Athletics. I am confident that had there been a vote for UAB President by students and alumni, Watts would not have won. But that is not how things are done. Those who hire university presidents are supposed to have the best interest of the university as their raison d'être, but that, in this instance was not the case.

To suggest that UAB was the cause of their own programs demise is like saying the residents of any country, or members of any organization, which is led by a despot are responsible for the brutality perpetrated upon them. It (the UA System) is a malevolent system, and UAB Football was freed and revived by the sheer will and power of it's true supporters, and it's many allies. IMO any benefits which UAB Athletics is now enjoying are not only proper, but there is no way they can fully indemnify all those who were damaged by the actions of Watts and the UA System. The sad reality is that the despot remains in power.

Thanks for speaking the truth. The was talk of huge recruiting classes to get us up to 85, but it was conceded per concern from our neighboring FBS schools that would be competing for recruits. This is beyond fair.

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  I wish UAB well in their comeback, but giving them this advantage in recruiting because of something that was their own choosing just can't be allowed. Before you UAB people jump me, I gave money to your resurgence and want you back, but giving to an advantage on non qualifiers just can't happen.

Like he said scuttle your program for two years. Money given to us or not. We have also had to pay several millions. That said it is pretty clear where the directive came from and it was not from UAB. It was from boosters of the money bell cow of the NCAA. Take it up with the NCAA.

Scuttle your program and you can gain the same advantages all though I see no advantage to losing a program for two years, devastating families and kid's lives, and taking millions from our pockets. We are simply being allowed to get our numbers back the quickest way possible.

Have fun with your football team the rest of this year and next. we don't have one. Have fun taking your kids and grandkids to games. I won't. I have no program that is ours to take them to. We have been to hell in back. No not the way Marshall has but in our own way. I don't recommend it for anyone. I would have much rather kept our program and had all these players we lost playing for us this season getting ready for a bowl instead of going around town soliciting donations so we can build basic facilities and completely funding our football program from everything from air travel to jock straps. Name another program that is 100% funded by donations from it's fan base. We are not allowed to use one dime of University money for Football. All on us.

(11-11-2015 06:17 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 12:00 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  I wish UAB well in their comeback, but giving them this advantage in recruiting because of something that was their own choosing just can't be allowed. Before you UAB people jump me, I gave money to your resurgence and want you back, but giving to an advantage on non qualifiers just can't happen.

Like he said scuttle your program for two years. Money given to us or not. We have also had to pay several millions. That said it is pretty clear where the directive came from and it was not from UAB. It was from boosters of the money bell cow of the NCAA. Take it up with the NCAA.

Scuttle your program and you can gain the same advantages all though I see no advantage to losing a program for two years, devastating families and kid's lives, and taking millions from our pockets. We are simply being allowed to get our numbers back the quickest way possible.

Have fun with your football team the rest of this year and next. we don't have one. Have fun taking your kids and grandkids to games. I won't. I have no program that is ours to take them to. We have been to hell in back. No not the way Marshall has but in our own way. I don't recommend it for anyone. I would have much rather kept our program and had all these players we lost playing for us this season getting ready for a bowl instead of going around town soliciting donations so we can build basic facilities and completely funding our football program from everything from air travel to jock straps. Name another program that is 100% funded by donations from it's fan base. We are not allowed to use one dime of University money for Football. All on us.

Don't come to us with scuttle your program for two years...ours was scuttled for three year, only not in the way yours was.. By the way, we got no help to bring ours back. We get no help from the university with an exception of a student athletic fee. we had a stupid president also, that hired a loser as a coach that took a team from 12-2 to 0-12. Then 1-11, then 3-9. Most of us would rather been in your shoes than suffer thru that. Both of our situations were caused by stupidity of our administrations.

(11-11-2015 09:11 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Both of our situations were caused by stupidity of our administrations.

Ray Watts has only the support of a small group of Tuscaloosa football boosters, who dominate the UA System Board of Trustees. Overwhelming "No Confidence" votes have come from the undergrad SGA, graduate SGA, National Alumni Association and Faculty Senate. A majority of the senior vice presidents have demanded his resignation, while he lurches about the Admin Building in true Nixonian fashion, shouting "I am the president!" like some pumpkin-headed parody of The Final Days. Yet he endures, thanks to the Bryant Bank directors and employees (or their spouses) who also hold seats on the Board of Trustees. It is not an act of stupidity. It is by definition a criminal conspiracy.

Southern Mississippi's situation is completely different.

(11-11-2015 10:15 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 09:11 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Both of our situations were caused by stupidity of our administrations.

Ray Watts has only the support of a small group of Tuscaloosa football boosters, who dominate the UA System Board of Trustees. Overwhelming "No Confidence" votes have come from the undergrad SGA, graduate SGA, National Alumni Association and Faculty Senate. A majority of the senior vice presidents have demanded his resignation, while he lurches about the Admin Building in true Nixonian fashion, shouting "I am the president!" like some pumpkin-headed parody of The Final Days. Yet he endures, thanks to the Bryant Bank directors and employees (or their spouses) who also hold seats on the Board of Trustees. It is not an act of stupidity. It is by definition a criminal conspiracy.

Southern Mississippi's situation is completely different.

it is....

but I get his homer sentiment.....it hurts our recruiting

the bottom line is after you guys start playing again, it's the same that smu or marshall went through.....

ours was not the same....not even close....