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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-09-2015 09:05 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Get the hell out. If Houston finishes with three Top 25 wins in the last 4 games, no 3 loss team will be ranked ahead of us.

Problem is if they beat those current top 25 teams none of them will probably remain in the top 25, especially the loser of the Memphis/Temple game since the loser would have 3 losses themselves (including Houston loss in your scenario).
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
That's assuming Houston makes it to 13-0.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-09-2015 04:20 PM)vcoog Wrote:  So far houston hasnt even passed MY eye test. Luckily we still have a couple more chances to see. As of right now, no I don't think we look like a playoff team.

If we had beaten UC and Louisville by 21 plus, I would say so.

I was alarmed at their play against Tulane when I was famously barking in the game thread while they were up 3-4 TD's but I realized how hurt the offense line was later on. Truthfully, I'm more worried about Navy than I am Memphis, which isn't to say I'm not concerned about Memphis.


(11-09-2015 10:26 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  ^^^They dont want a G5 in the playoff.


In hoops everyone loves when David slays Goliath. In football they hate the Davids...not sure why but its just the way it is.

The 2007 Fiesta Bowl with Boise and OU was like March Madness on the gridiron, I'm surprised the suits don't want it every year.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
Should be definitely NO. If this happened, we may as well just separate the G5 because you would NEVER make the 4 team playoff.
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Re: RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-10-2015 08:57 AM)Bull Wrote:  Should be definitely NO. If this happened, we may as well just separate the G5 because you would NEVER make the 4 team playoff.

Concerning the "would" part, since the CFP currently has six P5 teams with two losses ranked ahead of Houston, I think it's pretty clear that the CFP committee has no problem with voting a two-loss P5 champ over a 13-0 Houston into the playoffs.

As for "should", I think you are wrong. It should depend on the team. For example, Michigan has two losses right now and is ranked ahead of Houston. To win the B1G, they are going to have to beat #2 Ohio State and #9 Iowa. That is a far tougher gauntlet than Houston has to face, so it would make sense for Michigan to remain ahead of Houston if they both win out.

On the other hand, there are two-loss P5 teams, like UCLA, that will not have played a schedule all that much tougher than Houston, so Houston should pass them.

Bottom line: It is clear that for a G5 to make the playoffs, they have to prove themselves against a highly-ranked P5, like Memphis did against Ole Miss.

If your goal is to be the Access Bowl rep, then scheduling any P5, like Vandy and Louisville, as Houston did, is good enough. But to make the playoffs, you need to play an LSU, an Alabama, an Ohio State, a Notre Dame. Temple and Memphis did that, which is why they had a smidge of a chance at the playoffs had they won out.

Houston didn't, so doesn't. Their greatest claim to fame if they win out will be a win over a Navy team that will probably be unranked if they lose to Houston. That's not going to make the playoffs, and really, it shouldn't.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
What 2 loss team is going to be that high...with a conference champ in hand?

Surely no one from the Big 12, or ACC, or Big Ten at this point? Maybe Stanford if they lose to ND and then win the PAC...but I think Houston will be rated higher than Stanford in that scenario....especially them losing to Northwestern.

So only the SEC champ would have that happen. Bama is in the drivers seat now with its win over LSU...and Florida would not be high enough.

So, I will say the answer this year is no. A 2 loss P5 will not get in over a 13-0 Houston.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
2 Loss SEC? Yes, no doubt
2 Loss B12? Not a chance
2 Loss B10? Yes
2 Loss P12? Maybe (depends on what team)
2 Loss ACC? Maybe (depends on what team)

The only no seems to be different in one way..... No Championship game.....

I don't think we get in but I don't think you see a bunch of 2 loss champions either.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
If it's Bama or OSU & the losses occurred prior to week 8-9 & either still won the conference championship game, yeah Houston would have no chance. Shouldn't be that way & those losses would have to happened by week 8 or 9 at the latest. At this point I don't see a one loss team losing again and being able to recover, Bama, OSU or anyone else. In fact with the weak B1G schedules, I don't think any 1 loss school can recover to make the CFP final 4, meaning OSU can't lose the rest of the way. But there will be a ready supply of one-loss schools to fill ahead of Houston - again shouldn't be that way. If Houston beats Memphis, Navy & Temple they will deserve a slot regardless of what anyone else does in any conference.
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Re: RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-10-2015 10:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If Houston beats Memphis, Navy & Temple they will deserve a slot regardless of what anyone else does in any conference.

How does that make sense? Navy, Temple, and Memphis are all ranked in the 20s. And if Houston beats them, they will all fall out of the rankings entirely.

That's not going to impress anyone in the P5 or on the CFP, nor should it.

To deserve a playoff spot, Houston needed to prove itself against top-10 level competition. We are talking about the Top 4 here, after all. Unfortunately, they didn't have a schedule that permitted that.

Temple and Navy did, but they fell short against Notre Dame.
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No.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-09-2015 03:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  depends on the team..alabama? yes...duke unc? no

I agree...

2 Loss team from the ACC, no way.

2 Loss team from the SEC certainly.

The other two conferences it would depend on the names on the front of the Jerseys.
Your not getting in front of a Two Loss Michigan, OSU or Michigan State...But you will in front of an Iowa.

You not getting in in front of a Two Loss Stanford but you will in front of a Utah.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-10-2015 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-10-2015 10:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If Houston beats Memphis, Navy & Temple they will deserve a slot regardless of what anyone else does in any conference.

How does that make sense? Navy, Temple, and Memphis are all ranked in the 20s. And if Houston beats them, they will all fall out of the rankings entirely.

That's not going to impress anyone in the P5 or on the CFP, nor should it.

To deserve a playoff spot, Houston needed to prove itself against top-10 level competition. We are talking about the Top 4 here, after all. Unfortunately, they didn't have a schedule that permitted that.

Temple and Navy did, but they fell short against Notre Dame.

Yes, I already brought that up earlier in this thread.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-10-2015 01:02 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(11-10-2015 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-10-2015 10:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If Houston beats Memphis, Navy & Temple they will deserve a slot regardless of what anyone else does in any conference.

How does that make sense? Navy, Temple, and Memphis are all ranked in the 20s. And if Houston beats them, they will all fall out of the rankings entirely.

That's not going to impress anyone in the P5 or on the CFP, nor should it.

To deserve a playoff spot, Houston needed to prove itself against top-10 level competition. We are talking about the Top 4 here, after all. Unfortunately, they didn't have a schedule that permitted that.

Temple and Navy did, but they fell short against Notre Dame.

Yes, I already brought that up earlier in this thread.

Circular reasoning guys. Had Temple & Navy beat ND, ND wouldn't be ranked either. That's how it works, teams that win move up, teams that lose move down. The only real issue is that AAC schools get less credit for quality wins than P5 schools & get punished worse for losses. It's the subject of the thread.....
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(11-10-2015 01:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-10-2015 01:02 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(11-10-2015 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-10-2015 10:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If Houston beats Memphis, Navy & Temple they will deserve a slot regardless of what anyone else does in any conference.

How does that make sense? Navy, Temple, and Memphis are all ranked in the 20s. And if Houston beats them, they will all fall out of the rankings entirely.

That's not going to impress anyone in the P5 or on the CFP, nor should it.

To deserve a playoff spot, Houston needed to prove itself against top-10 level competition. We are talking about the Top 4 here, after all. Unfortunately, they didn't have a schedule that permitted that.

Temple and Navy did, but they fell short against Notre Dame.

Yes, I already brought that up earlier in this thread.

Circular reasoning guys. Had Temple & Navy beat ND, ND wouldn't be ranked either. That's how it works, teams that win move up, teams that lose move down. The only real issue is that AAC schools get less credit for quality wins than P5 schools & get punished worse for losses. It's the subject of the thread.....

Memphis had a quality win, over Ole Miss, and they moved up very nicely.

What "quality wins" does Houston have right now? Zero. That's why they are ranked low. If they beat Navy, Temple, and Memphis, will they move up? Of course they will.

But are any of those high-quality wins? Equal to say Clemson beating Notre Dame, or Alabama beating LSU? Nope, so they won't rise into the Top 4.

To make the Top 4, you need to beat top competition. Not just "good" competition.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-10-2015 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-10-2015 10:12 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If Houston beats Memphis, Navy & Temple they will deserve a slot regardless of what anyone else does in any conference.

How does that make sense? Navy, Temple, and Memphis are all ranked in the 20s. And if Houston beats them, they will all fall out of the rankings entirely.

That's not going to impress anyone in the P5 or on the CFP, nor should it.

To deserve a playoff spot, Houston needed to prove itself against top-10 level competition. We are talking about the Top 4 here, after all. Unfortunately, they didn't have a schedule that permitted that.

Temple and Navy did, but they fell short against Notre Dame.

I Agree with this. It all comes down to the non-conference schedule. I believe if Temple ran the schedule undefeated, they'd be in (with the others having two losses). Temple may never have the non conference schedule to be in the conversation again, but it aligned this year. Unfortunately, they came up short against ND.
Navy and Memphis would be in the conversation as well. But with Houston, Louisville and Vandy are not strong this year, and I just can't see them making the playoff without a big win outside the AAC.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
Yeah, depends on the team, but more likely yes than no.
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(11-09-2015 03:49 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Would they? I think they probably would, sadly.

Depends on lots of things. I think an undefeated Memphis was our only shot at the playoff.

That's said Houston has a great shot at a major NY6 bowl if they can win out.
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(11-10-2015 05:59 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(11-09-2015 03:49 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Would they? I think they probably would, sadly.

Depends on lots of things. I think an undefeated Memphis was our only shot at the playoff.

That's said Houston has a great shot at a major NY6 bowl if they can win out.

If they win out we don't have a "shot" at it, it's ours.
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RE: Would a 2-loss P5 get into the CFP over a 13-0 Houston?
(11-10-2015 05:59 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(11-09-2015 03:49 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Would they? I think they probably would, sadly.



That's said Houston has a great shot at a major NY6 bowl if they can win out.

Almost definitely! That goes for Memphis, Navy and Temple too! While USF is still in the mix for the AAC championship, I'm not sure they would pass Toledo or Boise.
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