I think the conditions under which Notre Dame makes the playoffs are pretty clear:

1) Notre Dame has to win out.

2) No team that is not a P5 champion can beat out Notre Dame for a playoff spot. Therefore, Notre Dame has to beat out two of the five P5 champions.

2a) Notre Dame will get in over the PAC champ, therefore, Notre Dame has to beat out one of the remaining four P5 champions.

3) Except for Alabama, Notre Dame will be the highest-ranked one-loss team.

So Compared to the four remaining P5 champions, how does a Notre Dame that runs the table stack up?

a) vs SEC: Notre Dame gets in over any SEC champ so long as that champ is not a one-loss Alabama. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Alabama to lose a game.

b) vs B1G: Any unbeaten B1G champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any B1G champ that has a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Iowa and Ohio State to lose a game.

c) vs Big 12: Any unbeaten Big 12 champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any Big 12 champ with a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs OK State and Baylor to lose a game.

d) ACC: Any unbeaten ACC champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any ACC champion with a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Clemson to lose a game.

So Notre Dame needs one of (a) (b) © or (d) to happen. Not all, just one.

That's pretty much it, LOL.

I think 3 probable is but not absolute. If Alabama get upset and LSU wins the SEC championship game at 12-1, I think they are above ND, for example.

(11-09-2015 11:57 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think 3 probable is but not absolute. If Alabama get upset and LSU wins the SEC championship game at 12-1, I think they are above ND, for example.

Agreed....a 1-loss SEC Champ gets in over Notre Dame

I also think a 1-loss Clemson ACC Champ gets in over Notre Dame....I don't see Clemson losing though

Notre Dame basically needs the Big 10 or SEC to eat itself...which is all still very possible

Ohio State has Michigan State, Michigan, and the Big 10 championship if they make it that far....losing either game could knock them out of the conf. champ game

Iowa still has Nebraska....

Also, Notre Dame has to beat Stanford...

There's still so much football left

(11-09-2015 12:04 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 11:57 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think 3 probable is but not absolute. If Alabama get upset and LSU wins the SEC championship game at 12-1, I think they are above ND, for example.

Agreed....a 1-loss SEC Champ gets in over Notre Dame

I also think a 1-loss Clemson ACC Champ gets in over Notre Dame....I don't see Clemson losing though

I disagree. Clemson? They barely beat Notre Dame at home, within the margin of home field advantage. Any team they lose to from here on out will be far inferior to that.

One-loss SEC champ? Only if it's Alabama. LSU got beaten badly by Alabama so they are out compared to ND. Florida? They have barely squeaked by all year. They won't get past the Irish either.

And, ND still has to win 3 more games. Yes, the first two are Wake and BC, but go ask Michigan State whether it's possible to lose to a team when there's no way in hell you should lose to them.

If it's 1 loss LSU vs 1 loss Florida- the winner would be in. Just look at what the committee did last week and say they don't respect the SEC. LSU is a real interesting one because they would only have 12 games and 10 P5 games(with 11th game vs Western Kentucky). I don't think you can say that ND would automatically be ahead of LSU by any stretch of the imagination.

(11-09-2015 12:34 PM)Wedge Wrote:  And, ND still has to win 3 more games. Yes, the first two are Wake and BC, but go ask Michigan State whether it's possible to lose to a team when there's no way in hell you should lose to them.

Yeah, odds are there will be at least one more out of the blue upset to a major player.

(11-09-2015 11:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think the conditions under which Notre Dame makes the playoffs are pretty clear:

1) Notre Dame has to win out.

2) No team that is not a P5 champion can beat out Notre Dame for a playoff spot. Therefore, Notre Dame has to beat out two of the five P5 champions.

2a) Notre Dame will get in over the PAC champ, therefore, Notre Dame has to beat out one of the remaining four P5 champions.

3) Except for Alabama, Notre Dame will be the highest-ranked one-loss team.

So Compared to the four remaining P5 champions, how does a Notre Dame that runs the table stack up?

a) vs SEC: Notre Dame gets in over any SEC champ so long as that champ is not a one-loss Alabama. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Alabama to lose a game.

b) vs B1G: Any unbeaten B1G champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any B1G champ that has a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Iowa and Ohio State to lose a game.

c) vs Big 12: Any unbeaten Big 12 champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any Big 12 champ with a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs OK State and Baylor to lose a game.

d) ACC: Any unbeaten ACC champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any ACC champion with a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Clemson to lose a game.

So Notre Dame needs one of (a) (b) © or (d) to happen. Not all, just one.

That's pretty much it, LOL.

What happens if Oklahoma beats Baylor, TCU and Okie St. 3 ranked teams to end the season?

(11-09-2015 01:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 11:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think the conditions under which Notre Dame makes the playoffs are pretty clear:

1) Notre Dame has to win out.

2) No team that is not a P5 champion can beat out Notre Dame for a playoff spot. Therefore, Notre Dame has to beat out two of the five P5 champions.

2a) Notre Dame will get in over the PAC champ, therefore, Notre Dame has to beat out one of the remaining four P5 champions.

3) Except for Alabama, Notre Dame will be the highest-ranked one-loss team.

So Compared to the four remaining P5 champions, how does a Notre Dame that runs the table stack up?

a) vs SEC: Notre Dame gets in over any SEC champ so long as that champ is not a one-loss Alabama. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Alabama to lose a game.

b) vs B1G: Any unbeaten B1G champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any B1G champ that has a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Iowa and Ohio State to lose a game.

c) vs Big 12: Any unbeaten Big 12 champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any Big 12 champ with a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs OK State and Baylor to lose a game.

d) ACC: Any unbeaten ACC champ gets in over Notre Dame, but Notre Dame gets in over any ACC champion with a loss. Therefore, Notre Dame needs Clemson to lose a game.

So Notre Dame needs one of (a) (b) © or (d) to happen. Not all, just one.

That's pretty much it, LOL.

What happens if Oklahoma beats Baylor, TCU and Okie St. 3 ranked teams to end the season?

OU's loss to UT hurts in direct comparison to ND, but OU would have the conf champ criteria that could mitigate that comparison to a degree. OU would have three straight "quality"/ impress the committee wins and a good road P5 nonconference win over Tennessee who likely will be 8-4 with 4 close losses. Plus as opposed to most teams head to head with ND, they don't really lose the "name" criterion. Could depend on the eye test/ MOV results.

Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

Wouldn't surprise me if Notre Dame gets hammered by Stanford....

(11-09-2015 02:29 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Wouldn't surprise me if Notre Dame gets hammered by Stanford....

Me neither. I think that Stanford is a very good team.

(11-09-2015 01:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

A 12-1 Clemson (that loses in the ACC Championship Game) should get in over an 11-1 Notre Dame as Clemson beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

(11-09-2015 03:41 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

A 12-1 Clemson (that loses in the ACC Championship Game) should get in over an 11-1 Notre Dame as Clemson beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

Not when you win by 2 at home. HFA is worth 3-5 points, easy.

(11-09-2015 03:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 03:41 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

A 12-1 Clemson (that loses in the ACC Championship Game) should get in over an 11-1 Notre Dame as Clemson beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

Not when you win by 2 at home. HFA is worth 3-5 points, easy.

nonsense

- signed the Miami Hurricanes

(11-09-2015 03:41 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

A 12-1 Clemson (that loses in the ACC Championship Game) should get in over an 11-1 Notre Dame as Clemson beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

now you're pushing it lol

How would the committee handle a conference championship loss? No one knows, but I imagine backing into the playoff would probably be frowned upon....

I bet ND would get in ahead of Clemson in that scenario

(11-09-2015 03:41 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

A 12-1 Clemson (that loses in the ACC Championship Game) should get in over an 11-1 Notre Dame as Clemson beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

I agree with this.

(11-09-2015 04:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 03:41 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

A 12-1 Clemson (that loses in the ACC Championship Game) should get in over an 11-1 Notre Dame as Clemson beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

I agree with this.

What about 12-1 ND that beats 12-1 Clemson is the ACC Championship Game. If ND was in the conference.

(11-09-2015 04:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 04:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 03:41 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:48 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 01:46 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Clemson loses in the ACC final Notre Dame gets the final spot over their schedule alliance pals.

IF that happened the ACC would explode.... Oh my... Not likely to happen, but nevertheless I hope that is avoided.

A 12-1 Clemson (that loses in the ACC Championship Game) should get in over an 11-1 Notre Dame as Clemson beat Notre Dame head-to-head.

I agree with this.

What about 12-1 ND that beats 12-1 Clemson is the ACC Championship Game. If ND was in the conference.

But it is not and hopefully will never be.

I am quite ok with Clemson getting a playoff spot over ND.

IF ND wanted to get in for sure, win all the games......its that simple.

Lose one, it is wait and see.