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Official Game Thread: Averett (W 107-59)
Date: November 14th, 2015

Time: 4:00 PM

Opponent: Averett (0-0, 0-0 USA South)

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RE: Official Game Thread: Averett
Averett picked to win the USA South. http://www.averettcougars.com/news/2015/...52734.aspx
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RE: Official Game Thread: Averett
Half a dozen SoCon teams play one or another teams from this weak DIII conference, the USA South. The question is “why”?

Averett is the cream of the crop: they led the USA South going 18-9 overall and 11-3 in conference. So they are the near unanimous pick to finish 1st of the 11 team conference again this year. http://www.usasouth.net/sports/mbkb/index

But a better measure of their strength/weakness may be their performance against teams from the “mighty” ODAC, also DIII: they were only 3-4 against ODAC squads last year, including losses to Randolph-Macon, Bridgewater, Lynchburg and Guilford.

They return their top 3 players, and 7 of their top 8. Those top 3 players each made All USA South – 6’2” 200 G Trevor West now a Sr., and 6’2” 202 G Charles Bryant, now a Jr., made first team and 6’5” 250 Carter Jones, their Center, now a Sr., made Honorable Mention. They are an experienced team led by 4 seniors and a junior.

But face it, DIII is a whole other universe: Averett has 1 guy 6’5”, 2 guys 6’4” and 1 guy 6’3”. Nobody else on the squad is over 6’2” except for freshman Malik Ford. Malik is listed at 6’9” 287, but he was cut from both his middle school and high school teams every year until his senior year when he finally hung on to score 7.9 points and 4.4 rebounds in a small school league. Malik, meet Peter Jurkin, Nigel Holley and Toriano Stokes.

How on earth are they going to rebound or shoot against a team that goes 7’0”, 6’8”, 6’8”, 6’7” and 6’7” and has vastly superior athleticism?

The gap in size, speed and skill is so huge that it affects everything about the contest: how you can guard them and overplay them, the moves that will work, the shots and passes that you can get away with. It just builds bad habits that you can’t repeat against DI teams. And by the second half your squad is usually so overconfident that they get sloppy, start trying for ESPN highlight moves and just trading baskets. It is really not good preparation for Green Bay. Then there’s the PR effect: if we don’t absolutely crush them, then we look bad. If we do, it’s a big “so what”. I could write the posts for some of our grumpier members myself. What can we learn from playing them?

Although Kennesaw struggling to scrape past USA South member Piedmont by 7 points in 2013 was a good early sign that their much hyped recruiting class was a total bust. And UTC just opened against Covenant, 7-7 and tied for 8th in the USA South last year and picked to finish 10th of 11 this year. They won by 28, 91-63.

For the record: Averett doesn’t make many 3’s (5.1 per game on .321 shooting). They rebound extremely well (+6.7, 39.6 vs 32.9) against primarily DIII competition. Their rebounding margin of +6.7 is 26th best of 410 DIII schools. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men...eam/151/p1 They score 70.59 to their opponent’s 66.93. They have an 0.8 assist to t.o. ratio, and a -1.5 t.o. margin, as well as -1.7 steals margin. If they can get the ball up the floor against us, then we are not trying hard enough.

Six of their seven man rotation returns:
Trevor West, 6’2” 200, Sr. G, 32.7 min., 13.0 ppg, .362 from 3 (38 makes), 3.9 rpg, 3.8 assists, 2.7 t.o.’s, 1.1 steals
Bradley Robinson 6’4” 180, Sr. G, 33.0 min., 12.4 ppg, .338 from 3 (52 makes), 5.4 rpg,
Charles Bryant 6’2” 202, Jr. G, 27.4 min., 10.9 ppg, .143 from 3, 8.1 rpg, 2.3 t.o.’s, 1.3 steals
Carter Jones 6’5” 250 Sr. C, 26.4 min., 10.0 ppg, .000 from 3, 6.8 rpg, 2.3 t.o.’s, 1.2 blocks
James Contreras 6’0” 160 So. G, 23.5 min., 6.9 ppg, .143 from 3, 3.1 rpg,
Devontae Pannell 5’5” 140 Sr. G, 16.8 min., 3.8 ppg, .320 from 3 (16 makes), 2.1 rpg

Hope that we manage to stay focussed, don't look ahead to Green Bay, play hard and take care of business here.
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RE: Official Game Thread: Averett
Thanks swvabucsfan for this summary. I think this game will give us a few more early/tentative indicators of individual and team strengths/weaknesses.
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RE: Official Game Thread: Averett
While the Bucs are warming up against Averett, Green Bay, which has already played a much worse team than Averett in UW-Stout (winning 95-41), will be going up against Stanford on November 13. http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/SportSele...SID=109993
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Swva is a message board HERO.
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(11-08-2015 09:55 AM)CaptainJackAubrey Wrote:  Swva is a message board HERO.

Isn't that kind of like being a French war hero? Top British chef? Italian management consultant? German comic?
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(11-08-2015 10:42 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 09:55 AM)CaptainJackAubrey Wrote:  Swva is a message board HERO.

Isn't that kind of like being a French war hero? Top British chef? Italian management consultant? German comic?

Greek financial advisor? :)

It's always a good read when swva posts, whether you agree or not with the sentiment....I would have to agree, there's not much point to this game. If Averett puts up even 50 in a meaningless game, I'll be deeply concerned about the defensive focus to start the season. Tusculum was at least marginally competitive with some height and shooting. I'm hoping more like 30-40 max on Averett's part, and the Bucs triple them up.
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RE: Official Game Thread: Averett
(11-08-2015 12:06 PM)shampoo Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 10:42 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  
(11-08-2015 09:55 AM)CaptainJackAubrey Wrote:  Swva is a message board HERO.

Isn't that kind of like being a French war hero? Top British chef? Italian management consultant? German comic?

Greek financial advisor? :)

It's always a good read when swva posts, whether you agree or not with the sentiment....I would have to agree, there's not much point to this game. If Averett puts up even 50 in a meaningless game, I'll be deeply concerned about the defensive focus to start the season. Tusculum was at least marginally competitive with some height and shooting. I'm hoping more like 30-40 max on Averett's part, and the Bucs triple them up.

Thanks for the kind words, but I'd have to caution against getting too optimistic - Chattanooga is a talented team used to playing together. We have 9 new guys that are just getting used to each other.

Chattanooga just played Covenant, a team at the bottom of USA South, while Averett has an experienced little team that is at the very top of USA South. Chattanooga led Covenant by no more than 31 all night, finishing at 28 points ahead 91-63. Averett is not good, but is much better than Covenant.

Forbes will do what he did against Tusculum. He will NOT look to play our best squad the whole way. He will NOT try very hard to maximize the score. He will empty the bench, give lots of guys work and experiment with different combinations. Which is probably what he should do to get what he can out of this matchup.

And he will probably keep it plain vanilla so as not to tip his hand to Green Bay.

It's tough to double up anyone, let alone triple. Averett is much better than UVA Wise. Last year we had UVA Wise totally demoralized and down 61-21 at half. Then we lost focus, got sloppy and basically traded baskets the whole second half, ending up 111-66. Unfortunately, there is a good reason to think that the arc of this game may be similar. Except that the more skilled and experienced Averett team will probably not crumble like Wise did that first half.

Frankly there's a good chance that it will look something like Chattanooga vs Covenant. And people will complain! Heck, they complained last game that we couldn't finish, when we shot 55.6% from the field and 52.3% from 3.

Let them complain, and get ready for Green Bay!
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RE: Official Game Thread: Averett
To be meek, I agree again. But if we don't double up Averett, I'll definitely complain, full bench play or not. This is like Space Jam 1st half all game. (My son loves the movie, as did I.)
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RE: Official Game Thread: Averett
(11-08-2015 12:55 PM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Frankly there's a good chance that it will look something like Chattanooga vs Covenant. And people will complain! Heck, they complained last game that we couldn't finish, when we shot 55.6% from the field and 52.3% from 3.

Let them complain, and get ready for Green Bay!

Well if you are talking about me, yes I complained but go back and read my post, I didn't complain about our offense (other then not finishing several layups) I complained about defense, in fact pretty much every post I read from others complained about the same thing so I am not sure who you are referring to.
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“Trouble finishing”???

We shot 55.6% from the field, Rod. And all you can say is “trouble finishing”???

The number 1 D1 field goal percentage in the country last year was Gonzaga with 52.0%. Number 2 was Notre Dame with 50.9%. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men...t/team/148

If we continue to have such “trouble finishing” we’ll only be the best shooting team in the country!!

May we always have such trouble finishing.

Or as Patrick Henry would have said if Ben Franklin had invented basketball, “If this be 'trouble finishing', make the most of it!”

It takes a pretty sour view of the world to be able to sit through the offensive performance that the Bucs put on in their very first time on the floor with 9 new players and a new coach, with 109 points on 55.6% from the floor, 52.6% from 3, and 76.0% from the line, with more energy, effort and spirit than I've seen from the Bucs in a long time, and have nothing to say but:
“We had trouble finishing and missed several layups. I wasn't impressed, some of the players, sure, overall not really.”

I let your grumpy post slide the first time, as just Rod being Rod. But if you insist on pushing it, let me answer the question you posed.

You asked what you missed, Rod. Apparently you missed everything on the offensive side, except for 2 or 3 missed layups.
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Are you saying we didn't miss several layups and shots on the lane???? Really OK we watched different games and o mean several.
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Come on, Rod. I know that you saw more than 2 or 3 missed layups.

It's ok to smile a little at basketball games, and enjoy what the Bucs are putting together.

If you just let yourself acknowledge more than the 2 or 3 missed layups, you might like it.
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(11-08-2015 05:06 PM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Come on, Rod. I know that you saw more than 2 or 3 missed layups.

It's ok to smile a little at basketball games, and enjoy what the Bucs are putting together.

If you just let yourself acknowledge more than the 2 or 3 missed layups, you might like it.

I am not complaining about the offense I will keep repeating that. Missed layups are frustrating but again just didn't like our defense. As for 2-3 i am pretty sure Johnson missed that many by himself.
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FYI play by play has 12 shots listed as a missed layup. I do think that is a lot
Does not count missed Jumpers in lane just layups.
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“We had trouble finishing and missed several layups. I wasn't impressed, some of the players, sure, overall not really.”

Rod - 55.6% were made. Some in spectacular fashion That's national best level.

To say nothing of 52.6% from 3 and 76% from the line. In just the first game, when teams are usually ragged. With 9 new guys and a new coach learning to work together.

The glass is 90% full, from the offensive side, and all you can comment on is the 10% that's empty.
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(11-08-2015 05:56 PM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Rod - 55.6% were made. Some in spectacular fashion That's national best level.

To say nothing of 52.6% from 3 and 76% from the line. In just the first game, when teams are usually ragged. With 9 new guys and a new coach learning to work together.

The glass is 90% full, from the offensive side, and all you can comment on is the 10% that's empty.

90% of my post was as about defens you latched on to my one TRUE comment about a lot of missed layups. Everything i posted about defense and offense was factual.
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Other than that, how did you like the play Ms. Lincoln?

You completely missed a very solid offensive performance, other than to complain about what you yourself called "several missed layups".

You had NOTHING positive to say about the evening.
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If you are missing "several layups", yet still hitting 55.6%, then you are doing VERY well offensively. It is ok to say that.
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