(11-08-2015 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 07:25 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm afraid voters will take advantage of the Memphis blowout loss and the Mississippi loss to say that the AAC is not as strong as people have been saying. I don't agree with it, but I think that is what will happen.

To this point, AAC perceptions have benefited from "top of conference" bias, the tendency many have to rate a conference by its 3-4 best teams not 3-4 worst teams, even though are 3-4 worst teams are just about at the very bottom of the FBS barrel. And Memphis has clearly been regarded as our best of the best. And the primary reason for that was Memphis beating a highly-touted Ole Miss team.

So yes, with Memphis's reputation taking a one-two blow of getting blown out at home and Ole Miss losing for a 3rd time, the perception of how good our top is will likely fall, and there's logic in that.

And justifying that by saying "well, Navy is just real good" won't fly because this is Navy we're talking about here. A program that hadn't beaten a ranked team of any kind in six years, and a top-15 team since 1984! In their only real OOC test, Navy was beaten decisively by Notre Dame.

Let's face these facts about our best four teams:

1) Memphis's best result is beating an Ole Miss team that won't likely even be ranked this week.

2) Temple's best result is a home loss to Notre Dame.

3) Houston's best result is .... nothing. Their SOS has been terrible. They were ranked #25 last week purely due to the attrition of other teams suffering losses against better schedules.

4) Navy's best result is crushing Memphis.

With Ole Miss fading out, the AAC really doesn't have any OOC achievement that really shines.

I must have missed the SEC OCC achievements by Florida and LSU

(11-08-2015 12:21 AM)strongv Wrote:  Penn st has beaten Buffalo, Rutgers, San Diego st, Army, Indiana, Maryland, and Illinois. So come again

So beating a team that is 7 and 3, only losing to 3 ranked teams and one still in the playoff hunt, while beating a 6 and 3 San Diego State, and 5 and 4 Illinois team is worse then Houston?

Houston's best wins are 5 and 4 with Louisville, Tulsa, and Cincy. Are you kidding me? The best teams Houston has played are 5 and 4?

Yes PSU's resume is comparable to Houston considering the competition they have played. Losing to undefeated OSU, 1 loss Temple, and 2 loss NW. Much tougher competition then Houston has played.

(11-08-2015 08:01 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 07:25 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm afraid voters will take advantage of the Memphis blowout loss and the Mississippi loss to say that the AAC is not as strong as people have been saying. I don't agree with it, but I think that is what will happen.

To this point, AAC perceptions have benefited from "top of conference" bias, the tendency many have to rate a conference by its 3-4 best teams not 3-4 worst teams, even though are 3-4 worst teams are just about at the very bottom of the FBS barrel. And Memphis has clearly been regarded as our best of the best. And the primary reason for that was Memphis beating a highly-touted Ole Miss team.

So yes, with Memphis's reputation taking a one-two blow of getting blown out at home and Ole Miss losing for a 3rd time, the perception of how good our top is will likely fall, and there's logic in that.

And justifying that by saying "well, Navy is just real good" won't fly because this is Navy we're talking about here. A program that hadn't beaten a ranked team of any kind in six years, and a top-15 team since 1984! In their only real OOC test, Navy was beaten decisively by Notre Dame.

Let's face these facts about our best four teams:

1) Memphis's best result is beating an Ole Miss team that won't likely even be ranked this week.

2) Temple's best result is a home loss to Notre Dame.

3) Houston's best result is .... nothing. Their SOS has been terrible. They were ranked #25 last week purely due to the attrition of other teams suffering losses against better schedules.

4) Navy's best result is crushing Memphis.

With Ole Miss fading out, the AAC really doesn't have any OOC achievement that really shines.

I must have missed the SEC OCC achievements by Florida and LSU

The issue is strength of conference, not strength of two teams. FWIW, Florida is going to drop a few spots for barely beating a bad Vandy team.

But the SEC is easily the #1 rated (by computers) overall FBS conference. They don't have a problem with that. The AAC is just as easily the overall best G5 conference, but when we are talking about the CFP rankings, we are comparing ourselves to the P5, and that comparison is still very weak.

(11-08-2015 08:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 08:01 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 07:25 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  I'm afraid voters will take advantage of the Memphis blowout loss and the Mississippi loss to say that the AAC is not as strong as people have been saying. I don't agree with it, but I think that is what will happen.

To this point, AAC perceptions have benefited from "top of conference" bias, the tendency many have to rate a conference by its 3-4 best teams not 3-4 worst teams, even though are 3-4 worst teams are just about at the very bottom of the FBS barrel. And Memphis has clearly been regarded as our best of the best. And the primary reason for that was Memphis beating a highly-touted Ole Miss team.

So yes, with Memphis's reputation taking a one-two blow of getting blown out at home and Ole Miss losing for a 3rd time, the perception of how good our top is will likely fall, and there's logic in that.

And justifying that by saying "well, Navy is just real good" won't fly because this is Navy we're talking about here. A program that hadn't beaten a ranked team of any kind in six years, and a top-15 team since 1984! In their only real OOC test, Navy was beaten decisively by Notre Dame.

Let's face these facts about our best four teams:

1) Memphis's best result is beating an Ole Miss team that won't likely even be ranked this week.

2) Temple's best result is a home loss to Notre Dame.

3) Houston's best result is .... nothing. Their SOS has been terrible. They were ranked #25 last week purely due to the attrition of other teams suffering losses against better schedules.

4) Navy's best result is crushing Memphis.

With Ole Miss fading out, the AAC really doesn't have any OOC achievement that really shines.

I must have missed the SEC OCC achievements by Florida and LSU

The issue is strength of conference, not strength of two teams. FWIW, Florida is going to drop a few spots for barely beating a bad Vandy team.

But the SEC is easily the #1 rated (by computers) overall FBS conference. They don't have a problem with that. The AAC is just as easily the overall best G5 conference, but when we are talking about the CFP rankings, we are comparing ourselves to the P5, and that comparison is still very weak.

Depends which P5 you compared the AAC to. If you compare it to the ACC outside of Clemson, we stack pretty well. The PAC?
Reality is that if you are going to compare the AAC to the P5 you are setting yourself for disappointment, there is only so much you can do when you don't have the name and money those leagues have.
I would say that for a league that it's two years old and gets 2 million per team, the AAC has done better than most expected

No question, the AAC has had a good year. The Access slot is 99% ours.

But when we talk about CFP rankings - the topic of this thread - we are comparing ourselves to P5, so there's no avoiding that.

nothing happens overnight. this conference as a whole was on life support last year. its a great first step to have 4 teams potentially ranked at a given time.

think about it for a second. who would have thought that there would have been a dialogue in the national media that even mentioned the AAC in the CFP conversation? not me.

all we need is for continued success

1. Prove we can win access bowl (BCS equivalent)....check
2. Have a strong conference (4 teams potentially ranked at same time)....check
3. Have media chatter of AAC crashing the CFP....check

next few steps are vital

4. win the access bowl consistently
5. have a continued top 25 showing for multiple conference members at the same time.
6. continue to have strong TV ratings

if we accomplish the second 3 steps, the national media will become more familiar and comfortable with the AAC brand and will start ranking them preseason.

once that happens, the sky is the limit because we all know that initial preseason rankings are a vital. to use an analogy of climbing a mountain....... its easier to start at base camp than to start at sea level.

next media deal should give us a nice bump in pay to pull away monetarily from the G5. the last step would be a peach bowl contract.

however.....all this goes to sh1t if the big 12 expands.

(11-08-2015 09:29 AM)otown Wrote:  nothing happens overnight. this conference as a whole was on life support last year. its a great first step to have 4 teams potentially ranked at a given time.

think about it for a second. who would have thought that there would have been a dialogue in the national media that even mentioned the AAC in the CFP conversation? not me.

all we need is for continued success

1. Prove we can win access bowl (BCS equivalent)....check
2. Have a strong conference (4 teams potentially ranked at same time)....check
3. Have media chatter of AAC crashing the CFP....check

next few steps are vital

4. win the access bowl consistently
5. have a continued top 25 showing for multiple conference members at the same time.
6. continue to have strong TV ratings

if we accomplish the second 3 steps, the national media will become more familiar and comfortable with the AAC brand and will start ranking them preseason.

once that happens, the sky is the limit because we all know that initial preseason rankings are a vital. to use an analogy of climbing a mountain....... its easier to start at base camp than to start at sea level.

next media deal should give us a nice bump in pay to pull away monetarily from the G5. the last step would be a peach bowl contract.

however.....all this goes to sh1t if the big 12 expands.

Good post. But quo vadis isn't here for this

(11-08-2015 09:29 AM)otown Wrote:  nothing happens overnight. this conference as a whole was on life support last year. its a great first step to have 4 teams potentially ranked at a given time.

think about it for a second. who would have thought that there would have been a dialogue in the national media that even mentioned the AAC in the CFP conversation? not me.

all we need is for continued success

1. Prove we can win access bowl (BCS equivalent)....check
2. Have a strong conference (4 teams potentially ranked at same time)....check
3. Have media chatter of AAC crashing the CFP....check

next few steps are vital

4. win the access bowl consistently
5. have a continued top 25 showing for multiple conference members at the same time.
6. continue to have strong TV ratings

if we accomplish the second 3 steps, the national media will become more familiar and comfortable with the AAC brand and will start ranking them preseason.

once that happens, the sky is the limit because we all know that initial preseason rankings are a vital. to use an analogy of climbing a mountain....... its easier to start at base camp than to start at sea level.

next media deal should give us a nice bump in pay to pull away monetarily from the G5. the last step would be a peach bowl contract.

however.....all this goes to sh1t if the big 12 expands.

Agree and one good thing working for the conference is that it's NOT just one team doing the work, but multiple ones