(11-16-2015 06:08 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I'd like to throw out another scenario for 4.

I think the SEC will pick apart the Big 12. To what degree I don't know, but this would work:

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia to SEC

West: Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri
Central: LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt
East: Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina

Strong league.

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Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Iowa State to the PAC

North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
Central: California, Stanford, Utah, Colorado
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State
East: Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Iowa State

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Kansas, UConn to the Big Ten

West: Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota
Midwest: Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
Central: Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State
East: Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn

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ACC adds Cincinnati if Notre Dame joins in full

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SEC: 18
PAC: 16
Big Ten: 16
ACC: 14 + ND

Yep, if we wanted to take 4 from the Big 12 and stay relatively Southern in culture then those 4 would be a good way to go.

(11-16-2015 08:06 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-16-2015 06:08 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I'd like to throw out another scenario for 4.

I think the SEC will pick apart the Big 12. To what degree I don't know, but this would work:

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia to SEC

West: Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri
Central: LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt
East: Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina

Strong league.

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Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Iowa State to the PAC

North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State
Central: California, Stanford, Utah, Colorado
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State
East: Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, Iowa State

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Kansas, UConn to the Big Ten

West: Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Minnesota
Midwest: Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
Central: Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Ohio State
East: Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn

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ACC adds Cincinnati if Notre Dame joins in full

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SEC: 18
PAC: 16
Big Ten: 16
ACC: 14 + ND

Yep, if we wanted to take 4 from the Big 12 and stay relatively Southern in culture then those 4 would be a good way to go.

Yeah, it wouldn't maximize revenue or anything, but I do think it would grow the brand and the footprint.

OSU makes a lot of money and would provide good content for football and basketball. I see OU/OSU as being a lot like Bama and Auburn. WVU has more of a regional fan base spread across several states despite the fact WV is a small market in and of itself. I don't see the ACC taking WVU unless they've got a much bigger fish on the line. Even then, I think there are others they would rather take. In taking WVU, the SEC would be helping the process along.

This would parcel out the Big 12 and keep most of the little brothers playing ball. I think politically, that may be necessary. I don't see anyone really wanting Kansas State so the politicos are probably going to have to let KU go to a P4 league without them. I think OU and OSU are much more connected, however.

Baylor would also get left out in this scenario, but they are a private school so their power is limited despite the importance of the Baptist church in TX. Houston getting a nod would probably alleviate the politicos there. I think the PAC will be happy to get a couple of TX schools as they really have no other options for growing their footprint. Adding ISU alleviates some of their academic concerns.

I don't know that the ACC benefits very much from anyone in the current Big 12 other than the usual suspects, who have better options on the table. I suppose there is still a chance that UT ends up there, but I don't think it would be a great fit and the travel would be horrible. The ACC really isn't in a good position to add anyone at all unless Notre Dame decides to sign up. They aren't going to do it unless their hand is forced, however.

The Big Ten gets Kansas, but due to their own standards, they don't have a lot of options for the 16th. They're not getting OU and UT gains nothing by going to the B1G. Add to that, travel would be horrible once again. UConn is suitable...a good school, state flagship, and helps the B1G nail down a higher percentage of the NY and NE market.

Honestly, I don't think the PAC-12 will add anyone. If they do, it won't be Big XII teams. It would be schools like UNLV or Hawaii for markets/location.
Here is what I think will happen: Oklahoma gets lefts out of the CFP (at the expense of ND) at 11-1. They leave for the SEC, taking Oklahoma State with them, due to politics in Oklahoma. Texas goes independent (to keep LHN) and does ND-like deal (that includes playing ND every year) with ACC. The Big XII is falling apart so Kansas calls the B1G, and then the B1G also invites UConn to get to 16. The Pac-12 does nothing as no school adds anything that they want. In the end, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and TCU are screwed.

(11-20-2015 12:18 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Honestly, I don't think the PAC-12 will add anyone. If they do, it won't be Big XII teams. It would be schools like UNLV or Hawaii for markets/location.
Here is what I think will happen: Oklahoma gets lefts out of the CFP (at the expense of ND) at 11-1. They leave for the SEC, taking Oklahoma State with them, due to politics in Oklahoma. Texas goes independent (to keep LHN) and does ND-like deal (that includes playing ND every year) with ACC. The Big XII is falling apart so Kansas calls the B1G, and then the B1G also invites UConn to get to 16. The Pac-12 does nothing as no school adds anything that they want. In the end, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and TCU are screwed.

This is why I believe West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and TCU should be HEAVILY in favor of Big 12 expansion now. If you grab Houston and Cincinnati now, they develop into P5 programs - even if only in perception. Think about it. TCU, Louisville, and Utah were not 'BCS teams' just a few years ago; is there any question that they are P5 now?

So, when Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas bolt, the Big 12 will still have 8 or 9 'P5' teams in the conference - enough to survive.

(11-20-2015 10:36 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-20-2015 12:18 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Honestly, I don't think the PAC-12 will add anyone. If they do, it won't be Big XII teams. It would be schools like UNLV or Hawaii for markets/location.
Here is what I think will happen: Oklahoma gets lefts out of the CFP (at the expense of ND) at 11-1. They leave for the SEC, taking Oklahoma State with them, due to politics in Oklahoma. Texas goes independent (to keep LHN) and does ND-like deal (that includes playing ND every year) with ACC. The Big XII is falling apart so Kansas calls the B1G, and then the B1G also invites UConn to get to 16. The Pac-12 does nothing as no school adds anything that they want. In the end, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and TCU are screwed.

This is why I believe West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Iowa State, Baylor, and TCU should be HEAVILY in favor of Big 12 expansion now. If you grab Houston and Cincinnati now, they develop into P5 programs - even if only in perception. Think about it. TCU, Louisville, and Utah were not 'BCS teams' just a few years ago; is there any question that they are P5 now?

So, when Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas bolt, the Big 12 will still have 8 or 9 'P5' teams in the conference - enough to survive.

They SHOULD do that...but they haven't yet, which is to their disadvantage. Oklahoma looks like they just need a final nail in the coffin to justify a jump.