(11-06-2015 06:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 05:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  As an Iowa guy I am very worried about that Nebraska game. It is at Lincoln and it will be Nebraska's last game of the season. It has been a terrible season for them and they will have an opportunity to spoil Iowa's season in that game. They are going to have a massive chip on their shoulder, especially if they lose out the rest of the way until that game. It's not like they don't have talent, they just havn't gotten it all working together. That is going to be an exciting game for Iowa if The Hawkeyes are still undefeated at that point.

How does the Nebraska rivalry(?) feel to Iowa fans?

I know it was sort've made up, to help out the new B1G team. I think Iowa's main rivals are Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa St.

I think initially most Iowa fans were excited about it. Iowa and Nebraska have a lot of similarity in culture. Yes, historically Nebraska has had more success but Iowa has had plenty of their own success historically. Culturally speaking though they are Very similar. Both programs garner a lot of statewide following because neither State has a professional football team. So this match up has some very obvious features that make it seem like a natural fit on paper.

The problem initially was that it was dismissed by most Nebraska fans as below them thus some bad blood was brewed up in this match up. Iowa has won 1 out of the 4 games played since the Heroes Trophy game has been in existence.

So while I think there is a lot of promise and possibility with this rivalry game, you are correct in your assertion that there are three other rivalry games for Iowa fans that mean more to them. I think it is going to be a very heated game this year though in Lincoln. Their fans and players are going to be angry about how their season has went and they are going to want to spoil Iowa's season if they are still undefeated.

The new Neb rivaly does not mean much to me because I grew up in eastern Iowa. Iowa City is a lot closer to Chicago than Omaha. Folks in the west part of Iowa, west of Des Moines, probably care more about Nebraska, but I don't think folks east of Des Moines care.

Its a game worth playing every year just like Illinois and NW are worth playing every year, but not sure it needs a trophy and it does not need to be the last game of the season.

The black friday game is thought of as Neb's tradition. Iowa can take or leave it. It probably makes more sense to share the Black friday game with Minn and Wisc and rotate Neb's end of season opponent between Minn, Wisc and Iowa.

(11-06-2015 07:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 05:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  As an Iowa guy I am very worried about that Nebraska game. It is at Lincoln and it will be Nebraska's last game of the season. It has been a terrible season for them and they will have an opportunity to spoil Iowa's season in that game. They are going to have a massive chip on their shoulder, especially if they lose out the rest of the way until that game. It's not like they don't have talent, they just havn't gotten it all working together. That is going to be an exciting game for Iowa if The Hawkeyes are still undefeated at that point.

How does the Nebraska rivalry(?) feel to Iowa fans?

I know it was sort've made up, to help out the new B1G team. I think Iowa's main rivals are Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa St.

I think initially most Iowa fans were excited about it. Iowa and Nebraska have a lot of similarity in culture. Yes, historically Nebraska has had more success but Iowa has had plenty of their own success historically. Culturally speaking though they are Very similar. Both programs garner a lot of statewide following because neither State has a professional football team. So this match up has some very obvious features that make it seem like a natural fit on paper.

The problem initially was that it was dismissed by most Nebraska fans as below them thus some bad blood was brewed up in this match up. Iowa has won 1 out of the 4 games played since the Heroes Trophy game has been in existence.

So while I think there is a lot of promise and possibility with this rivalry game, you are correct in your assertion that there are three other rivalry games for Iowa fans that mean more to them. I think it is going to be a very heated game this year though in Lincoln. Their fans and players are going to be angry about how their season has went and they are going to want to spoil Iowa's season if they are still undefeated.

The new Neb rivaly does not mean much to me because I grew up in eastern Iowa. Iowa City is a lot closer to Chicago than Omaha. Folks in the west part of Iowa, west of Des Moines, probably care more about Nebraska, but I don't think folks east of Des Moines care.

Its a game worth playing every year just like Illinois and NW are worth playing every year, but not sure it needs a trophy and it does not need to be the last game of the season.

The black friday game is thought of as Neb's tradition. Iowa can take or leave it. It probably makes more sense to share the Black friday game with Minn and Wisc and rotate Neb's end of season opponent between Minn, Wisc and Iowa.

Thanks for the comments.


Interestingly, Iowa does not have a trophy game or even really a rivalry (?) with Illinois, though you do have a decently sized border town in Davenport.

On the flip side, there really aren't any large border towns (does Dubuque count?) with Wisconsin (and the border seems relatively smaller, compared to the MO, NE and MN borders), yet that is a rivalry game with a trophy.

(11-07-2015 08:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 05:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  As an Iowa guy I am very worried about that Nebraska game. It is at Lincoln and it will be Nebraska's last game of the season. It has been a terrible season for them and they will have an opportunity to spoil Iowa's season in that game. They are going to have a massive chip on their shoulder, especially if they lose out the rest of the way until that game. It's not like they don't have talent, they just havn't gotten it all working together. That is going to be an exciting game for Iowa if The Hawkeyes are still undefeated at that point.

How does the Nebraska rivalry(?) feel to Iowa fans?

I know it was sort've made up, to help out the new B1G team. I think Iowa's main rivals are Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa St.

I think initially most Iowa fans were excited about it. Iowa and Nebraska have a lot of similarity in culture. Yes, historically Nebraska has had more success but Iowa has had plenty of their own success historically. Culturally speaking though they are Very similar. Both programs garner a lot of statewide following because neither State has a professional football team. So this match up has some very obvious features that make it seem like a natural fit on paper.

The problem initially was that it was dismissed by most Nebraska fans as below them thus some bad blood was brewed up in this match up. Iowa has won 1 out of the 4 games played since the Heroes Trophy game has been in existence.

So while I think there is a lot of promise and possibility with this rivalry game, you are correct in your assertion that there are three other rivalry games for Iowa fans that mean more to them. I think it is going to be a very heated game this year though in Lincoln. Their fans and players are going to be angry about how their season has went and they are going to want to spoil Iowa's season if they are still undefeated.

The new Neb rivaly does not mean much to me because I grew up in eastern Iowa. Iowa City is a lot closer to Chicago than Omaha. Folks in the west part of Iowa, west of Des Moines, probably care more about Nebraska, but I don't think folks east of Des Moines care.

Its a game worth playing every year just like Illinois and NW are worth playing every year, but not sure it needs a trophy and it does not need to be the last game of the season.

The black friday game is thought of as Neb's tradition. Iowa can take or leave it. It probably makes more sense to share the Black friday game with Minn and Wisc and rotate Neb's end of season opponent between Minn, Wisc and Iowa.

Thanks for the comments.


Interestingly, Iowa does not have a trophy game or even really a rivalry (?) with Illinois, though you do have a decently sized border town in Davenport.

On the flip side, there really aren't any large border towns (does Dubuque count?) with Wisconsin (and the border seems relatively smaller, compared to the MO, NE and MN borders), yet that is a rivalry game with a trophy.

I'm actually from Davenport originally so.....

Illinois as a University seems to like to look East not West. None of us understand the rivalry thing they have with Ohio State. Ohio State just kicks them around. As engineering schools, they have ties with Purdue and Indiana University is actually closer to Champaign than Iowa City is, if I remember correctly.

Illinois just doesn't have much history at all in football. Iowa and Minnesota's history goes WAY back and Wisconsin is part of that little triangle relationship.

(11-07-2015 08:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 08:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  How does the Nebraska rivalry(?) feel to Iowa fans?

I know it was sort've made up, to help out the new B1G team. I think Iowa's main rivals are Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa St.

I think initially most Iowa fans were excited about it. Iowa and Nebraska have a lot of similarity in culture. Yes, historically Nebraska has had more success but Iowa has had plenty of their own success historically. Culturally speaking though they are Very similar. Both programs garner a lot of statewide following because neither State has a professional football team. So this match up has some very obvious features that make it seem like a natural fit on paper.

The problem initially was that it was dismissed by most Nebraska fans as below them thus some bad blood was brewed up in this match up. Iowa has won 1 out of the 4 games played since the Heroes Trophy game has been in existence.

So while I think there is a lot of promise and possibility with this rivalry game, you are correct in your assertion that there are three other rivalry games for Iowa fans that mean more to them. I think it is going to be a very heated game this year though in Lincoln. Their fans and players are going to be angry about how their season has went and they are going to want to spoil Iowa's season if they are still undefeated.

The new Neb rivaly does not mean much to me because I grew up in eastern Iowa. Iowa City is a lot closer to Chicago than Omaha. Folks in the west part of Iowa, west of Des Moines, probably care more about Nebraska, but I don't think folks east of Des Moines care.

Its a game worth playing every year just like Illinois and NW are worth playing every year, but not sure it needs a trophy and it does not need to be the last game of the season.

The black friday game is thought of as Neb's tradition. Iowa can take or leave it. It probably makes more sense to share the Black friday game with Minn and Wisc and rotate Neb's end of season opponent between Minn, Wisc and Iowa.

Thanks for the comments.


Interestingly, Iowa does not have a trophy game or even really a rivalry (?) with Illinois, though you do have a decently sized border town in Davenport.

On the flip side, there really aren't any large border towns (does Dubuque count?) with Wisconsin (and the border seems relatively smaller, compared to the MO, NE and MN borders), yet that is a rivalry game with a trophy.

I'm actually from Davenport originally so.....

Illinois as a University seems to like to look East not West. None of us understand the rivalry thing they have with Ohio State. Ohio State just kicks them around. As engineering schools, they have ties with Purdue and Indiana University is actually closer to Champaign than Iowa City is, if I remember correctly.

Illinois just doesn't have much history at all in football. Iowa and Minnesota's history goes WAY back and Wisconsin is part of that little triangle relationship.

Fair enough.

Nothing with NW, either, though (?). And it seems like Chicago is a pretty reasonable drive from Iowa City.

(11-07-2015 09:08 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 08:54 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 08:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:50 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:13 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think initially most Iowa fans were excited about it. Iowa and Nebraska have a lot of similarity in culture. Yes, historically Nebraska has had more success but Iowa has had plenty of their own success historically. Culturally speaking though they are Very similar. Both programs garner a lot of statewide following because neither State has a professional football team. So this match up has some very obvious features that make it seem like a natural fit on paper.

The problem initially was that it was dismissed by most Nebraska fans as below them thus some bad blood was brewed up in this match up. Iowa has won 1 out of the 4 games played since the Heroes Trophy game has been in existence.

So while I think there is a lot of promise and possibility with this rivalry game, you are correct in your assertion that there are three other rivalry games for Iowa fans that mean more to them. I think it is going to be a very heated game this year though in Lincoln. Their fans and players are going to be angry about how their season has went and they are going to want to spoil Iowa's season if they are still undefeated.

The new Neb rivaly does not mean much to me because I grew up in eastern Iowa. Iowa City is a lot closer to Chicago than Omaha. Folks in the west part of Iowa, west of Des Moines, probably care more about Nebraska, but I don't think folks east of Des Moines care.

Its a game worth playing every year just like Illinois and NW are worth playing every year, but not sure it needs a trophy and it does not need to be the last game of the season.

The black friday game is thought of as Neb's tradition. Iowa can take or leave it. It probably makes more sense to share the Black friday game with Minn and Wisc and rotate Neb's end of season opponent between Minn, Wisc and Iowa.

Thanks for the comments.


Interestingly, Iowa does not have a trophy game or even really a rivalry (?) with Illinois, though you do have a decently sized border town in Davenport.

On the flip side, there really aren't any large border towns (does Dubuque count?) with Wisconsin (and the border seems relatively smaller, compared to the MO, NE and MN borders), yet that is a rivalry game with a trophy.

I'm actually from Davenport originally so.....

Illinois as a University seems to like to look East not West. None of us understand the rivalry thing they have with Ohio State. Ohio State just kicks them around. As engineering schools, they have ties with Purdue and Indiana University is actually closer to Champaign than Iowa City is, if I remember correctly.

Illinois just doesn't have much history at all in football. Iowa and Minnesota's history goes WAY back and Wisconsin is part of that little triangle relationship.

Fair enough.

Nothing with NW, either, though (?). And it seems like Chicago is a pretty reasonable drive from Iowa City.

I really don't know how the Hawkeye nation as a whole feels about Northwestern. I personally love to hate them. They have been a spoiler so many times for The Hawkeyes that the win against them this year was very sweet. You will see quite a few Hawk fans making the trip to see them play at Northwestern. I will give the Cats credit though, Fitz has more people showing up for their games as of late so there are less tickets to be had to travel to their small stadium.

Well alright.

Good luck to the West today! Kick some East butt!

I know I don't speak for most Iowa fans, but I seem to be the only one that cares about playing ILL. part it is based on where the population is. More people in eastern Iowa than western. Not many people close to the Mizzoura border.

But where I grew up in SE Iowa, the local tv station came out of Quincy, IL or Hanibol, Mo. or Kirksville Mo. and local sports always talked about Illinois first, Mizzou second, and Iowa was an after thought. To this day I hate Illinois mainly for this stupid reason and why I wanted Mizzou in the BigTen.

I love the Iowa-Nebraska game. It has become a yearly tradition for me to return from Black Friday shopping and watch it.

(11-07-2015 02:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  I know I don't speak for most Iowa fans, but I seem to be the only one that cares about playing ILL. part it is based on where the population is. More people in eastern Iowa than western. Not many people close to the Mizzoura border.

But where I grew up in SE Iowa, the local tv station came out of Quincy, IL or Hanibol, Mo. or Kirksville Mo. and local sports always talked about Illinois first, Mizzou second, and Iowa was an after thought. To this day I hate Illinois mainly for this stupid reason and why I wanted Mizzou in the BigTen.

I don't think Missouri quite had the research chops, considering they do have a medical school in Columbia.

Nebraska with UN Med Center in Omaha is solidly in the B1G numbers.


But anyway, totally understand what you're saying and thanks for sharing your viewpoint!

Nah, Nebraska was chosen for it's brand to go along with the new CCG that was going to be started up with 12 member schools. Academically both are solid but not stand outs so it was the Brand and the national following of Nebraska that mattered more.

Wow! Great day for the West!

Even Minnesota showed up late in the game, gave Ohio St a little bit of a scare (until C. Jones ran the last TD in). I mean, if they had recovered the on-side, who knows?

- Ohio St beats MN
- Nebraska upsets MSU at home
- Indiana gives Iowa all they can handle in Bloomington, but the Hawks win
- NW loses QB early, but beats Penn St at home
- Illinois smashes Purdue
- Maryland gives Wisconsin a tough game in College Park, but the Badgers win


Thoughts:

- See Iowa fans, no need to be defensive. Wisky had trouble with Maryland, too.
- So much for Purdue resurgence
- NW hanging tough, still only two losses on the year, to two of the best B1G teams

- Tough to see MN getting bowl eligible this year, which sucks.

Also probably not going to hire Kill's staff to replace him. New AD is going to be hired and he's going to want to go his own way with football HC.


B1G West record (conf):

Iowa 9-0 (5-0)
Wisconsin 8-2 (5-1)
NW 7-2 (3-2)
Illinois 5-4 (2-3)
Minnesota 4-5 (1-4)
Nebraska 4-6 (2-4)
Purdue 2-7 (1-4)

- Illinois gets bowl eligible with one more win in their remaining schedule: vs Ohio St, at Minn, NW (Soldier Field)
- Minn gets bowl eligible with two more wins in their remaining schedule: at Iowa, vs Ill, vs Wisc
- Neb gets bowl eligible by winning both of their remaining games: at Rutgers, vs Iowa

So for the sake of maximizing B1G West bowl eligible teams, and because we know Ohio St is going to be the undefeated B1G representative in the CFP anyway, here is what I'd like to see happen:

- Illinois loses to OSU and Minn, beats NW
- Minn loses to Iowa, beats Ill and Wisc (I'll take losing the Jug and Pig for getting the Axe back)
- Neb beats both Rutgers and Iowa

After seeing what Nebraska did against MSU. That game is a big worry.

(11-08-2015 09:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nah, Nebraska was chosen for it's brand to go along with the new CCG that was going to be started up with 12 member schools. Academically both are solid but not stand outs so it was the Brand and the national following of Nebraska that mattered more.

No point in debating you, on this.


I will simply point out:

- U of Missouri (which includes a Med Center in Columbia, MO): $236M ($173M life sciences)

- U of Nebraska (+ U of Neb Medical Center in Omaha): $267M ($122M life sciences) + $137 life sciences = $404M ($259 life sciences)


For comparison:

- U of Iowa (which includes a Med Center in Iowa City): $435M ($326M life sciences)

yes, the BigTen West is now 6-5 overall vs. the east, with 3 games, Neb-Rut, OSU-ILL, Indy-Pur, still left.

The CCG could end up deciding which division is better.

Of course when none of the good teams from one division play the good teams from the other division, it is hard to get any separation.