It should be like the old 12 team SEC where the AD's and coaches controlled scheduling who they felt it was best to play in the conference. Who cares if Syracuse and Clemson never play?

Otherwise:

UNC- Duke, NCSU, Wake, UVA
Duke- UNC, NCSU, Wake, GT
NCSU- UNC, Duke, Wake, Clem
Wake- UNC, Duke, NCSU, VT

UVA- UNC, VT, Louis, SU
GT- Duke, Clem, FSU, Miami
VT- UVA, Miami, Wake, BC

Clem- GT, NCSU, FSU, BC
FSU- GT, Miami, Clem, Louis
Miami- FSU, VT, Pitt, GT

BC- SU, Pitt, VT, Clem
SU- BC, Pitt, Louis, UVA
Pitt- BC, SU, Miami, Louis
Louis- FSU, Pitt, UVA, SU

Then rotate the other four conference games, pretty simple.

Add Houston and Cincinnati....create sort of a Tobacco Road division, and another division with Clemson, Miami, and FSU

North Carolina
Wake Forest
Duke
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Georgia Tech
Syracuse

FSU
Miami
Clemson
Louisville
Boston College
Pitt
Houston
Cincinnati

I vote for this division alignment:

Atlantic
Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Louisville
NC State
Syracuse
Wake Forest

Coastal
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
Pitt
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Affiliate 5-Game Per Season Division
Notre Dame


EvilVodka -- I'd like to consider Houston or Cincinnati, but first you'd need to supply definitive proof that their additions would net each existing member at least $4M in TV/Media revenue. If you can do that, I'll add them to a division above.

Otherwise, it seems that you're missing the boat by adding them just to feed the "Dammit, we need 16 schools" argument.

And to think, the FSU Contingent already complains about lack of money.

if derugulation doesn't pass,the best and easiest solution while keeping 8 game conference schedule is skip 1 division team every year (5 division games)+ 1 permanent rival from other division and 2 rotating games from the other division so you would see every team every 3 years

(11-06-2015 08:31 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  if derugulation doesn't pass,the best and easiest solution while keeping 8 game conference schedule is skip 1 division team every year (5 division games)+ 1 permanent rival from other division and 2 rotating games from the other division so you would see every team every 3 years

Um, that's the whole point of deregulation - the existing regulations specify that you MUST play every team in your division every year.

(11-06-2015 09:09 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:21 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  I'm still a fan of the 3-5 model. No divisions, everyone has 3 permanent rivals, then 5 rotating games with the rest of the conference. Best 2 teams play in the championship game.

I prefer this as well.

While I said that I also agree with this, it should be said that this format would probably hurt the ACC nationally and financially more often than it helps. As it stands now, if both Clemson and FSU remain in the national picture, the conference is better served if they only play each other within their division.

If we have a 3+5+5 model, they would each be one of the other's three permanent rivals. If they only have one conference loss between them, then either the unbeaten one would get its first loss in the CCG, and get knocked out of playoff contention, or the other would get a second loss that would probably keep them from getting a second NY6 bid for the ACC. Either way, the ACC loses. So be careful what you wish for.

(11-06-2015 10:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 08:31 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  if derugulation doesn't pass,the best and easiest solution while keeping 8 game conference schedule is skip 1 division team every year (5 division games)+ 1 permanent rival from other division and 2 rotating games from the other division so you would see every team every 3 years

Um, that's the whole point of deregulation - the existing regulations specify that you MUST play every team in your division every year.

okay,if no 3-5-5 then what i said

If there had to be one division swap, Virginia Tech should probably swap divisions with Syracuse or Boston College (and then play UVA as a permanent rival), this would also open up Pitt/Louisville as permanent rivals. Tech has much more history with NC State and Wake, and for that matter they played FSU much more than Miami before the Big East. If it were BC (permanent rival with Syracuse) then we would see the BC/Miami game every year, although Syracuse/Pitt would be lost. Will it happen? No, because the ACC does't want possible rematches in the title game.

Stop with the stupid division talk.

(11-12-2015 12:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Stop with the stupid division talk.

Which is EXACTLY where we all come back too after EVERY SINGLE TIME divisions are brought up.

You move even one school, it knocks some preferred game out of balance. "unintended consequences"

...so long story short we are NEVER changing division unless we lose or add a school. PERIOD.
FLossY Out...

(11-12-2015 12:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Stop with the stupid division talk.

Stop with the butt hurt.

Atlantic crossover Coastal
FSU ---- Miami
Clemson ---- Louisville
GT ---- Pittsburgh
Virginia ---- VT
NC ---- NC State
Duke ---- BC
WF ---- Syracuse

Since everyone else is tossing one out, here's one that keeps most of the original ACC together & are fairly balanced. More BE rivalries are restored as well.

(11-12-2015 05:18 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Atlantic crossover Coastal
FSU ---- Miami
Clemson ---- Louisville
GT ---- Pittsburgh
Virginia ---- VT
NC ---- NC State
Duke ---- BC
WF ---- Syracuse

Since everyone else is tossing one out, here's one that keeps most of the original ACC together & are fairly balanced. More BE rivalries are restored as well.

Same problem as the OP -- NC State has to play UNC, Clemson* and Wake.


* - reserves the right to be wrong if Kaplony can publish official Clemson info stating they no longer want to play the Annual Textile Bowl.

(11-12-2015 05:20 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 05:18 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Atlantic crossover Coastal
FSU ---- Miami
Clemson ---- Louisville
GT ---- Pittsburgh
Virginia ---- VT
NC ---- NC State
Duke ---- BC
WF ---- Syracuse

Since everyone else is tossing one out, here's one that keeps most of the original ACC together & are fairly balanced. More BE rivalries are restored as well.

Same problem as the OP -- NC State has to play UNC, Clemson* and Wake.


* - reserves the right to be wrong if Kaplony can publish official Clemson info stating they no longer want to play the Annual Textile Bowl.

NC would be NC St cross division rival. Clemson would trade NC St for NC & Duke while not having to play up north most years & keeps FSU, GT & Louisville. NC St would be in a division that they could win without having to go through FSU & Clemson. Yeah, NC St losses the most here but they could be switched with WF but that takes away from the divisional balance.

Again, NC State has to play these three in order for a division alignment to pass:

UNC, Wake Forest, Clemson.

- NC State has to play North Carolina, Clemson and Wake Forest
- North Carolina has to play Virginia, Duke and NC State
- Duke has to play North Carolina, Wake Forest and Virginia
- Virginia has to play North Carolina, Virginia Tech and Duke
- Clemson has to play FSU, Georgia Tech and NC State
(again, if Kaplony can provide an official CU release stating they no longer want to play the annual Textile Bowl with NC State, I'll stand corrected)

I will question any realignment idea that invalidates those five principles. Those five principles make it damn near impossible to move any school

When the conference created the divisions 10 years ago, it may have made sense for Miami to be in the Atlantic and FSU in the Coastal (or maybe not), but no way are we walking that decision back, as the league's best TV game is Clemson/FSU. Otherwise, I'd say that would be the easiest switch, but not today.

Clemson/FSU is the ACC's version of Alabama/LSU.

The league has done a great job of honoring as many of its long-standing pairings as possible, while accommodating some legacy Big East pairings (BC/VT, Syracuse/Pitt, Syracuse/BC, Pitt/VT)

The current alignment is the best one going.

(11-12-2015 05:18 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Atlantic crossover Coastal
FSU ---- Miami
Clemson ---- Louisville
GT ---- Pittsburgh
Virginia ---- VT
NC ---- NC State
Duke ---- BC
WF ---- Syracuse

Since everyone else is tossing one out, here's one that keeps most of the original ACC together & are fairly balanced. More BE rivalries are restored as well.

I think you lose NC State to the SEC with that alignment.

(11-12-2015 08:24 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 05:18 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Atlantic crossover Coastal
FSU ---- Miami
Clemson ---- Louisville
GT ---- Pittsburgh
Virginia ---- VT
NC ---- NC State
Duke ---- BC
WF ---- Syracuse

Since everyone else is tossing one out, here's one that keeps most of the original ACC together & are fairly balanced. More BE rivalries are restored as well.

I think you lose NC State to the SEC with that alignment.

UNC would have to allow State to move to the SEC or B10 and that's not likely. NC State would be financially unable to compete in football in either conference (not that we are doing much in the ACC). Moreover, UNC and the ACC allowing the SEC into NC would require some sort of entry into SEC territory. Vandy or Auburn (States of Tennessee and Alabama) are the only adjacent markets.

(11-12-2015 08:02 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  - NC State has to play North Carolina, Clemson and Wake Forest
- North Carolina has to play Virginia, Duke and NC State
- Duke has to play North Carolina, Wake Forest and Virginia
- Virginia has to play North Carolina, Virginia Tech and Duke
- Clemson has to play FSU, Georgia Tech and NC State
(again, if Kaplony can provide an official CU release stating they no longer want to play the annual Textile Bowl with NC State, I'll stand corrected)

I will question any realignment idea that invalidates those five principles. Those five principles make it damn near impossible to move any school

When the conference created the divisions 10 years ago, it may have made sense for Miami to be in the Atlantic and FSU in the Coastal (or maybe not), but no way are we walking that decision back, as the league's best TV game is Clemson/FSU. Otherwise, I'd say that would be the easiest switch, but not today.

Clemson/FSU is the ACC's version of Alabama/LSU.

The league has done a great job of honoring as many of its long-standing pairings as possible, while accommodating some legacy Big East pairings (BC/VT, Syracuse/Pitt, Syracuse/BC, Pitt/VT)

The current alignment is the best one going.

Fine, then switch WF & NC St like I said. The division are just less balanced. Only game missing is Duke v WF but Duke gains NC St. You can switch Pitt, Syracuse & BC crossovers if desired. (Not saying this is preferred but just an alternative, I like the current divisions.)

Atlantic crossover Coastal

FSU ---- Miami

Clemson ---- Louisville

GT ---- Pittsburgh

Virginia ---- VT

NC ---- Syracuse

Duke ---- BC

NC St. ---- WF

(11-05-2015 04:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  If deregulation doesn't pass (or maybe even if it does), I wonder if this change in division alignment would address enough enough of members' concerns to be worthy of consideration.

What if Florida State and Clemson switched divisions with Virginia Tech and Pitt? Essentially, you would have a pretty logical split based on geography, with a nice overlap in the middle (Virginia and NC). Granted, you would lose the current balance in strength between the Atlantic and Coastal, but so what? Who says they have to be balanced? Imbalance doesn't seem to have hurt the SEC.

I would suggest in this configuration that there be no permanent crossover games in conference. If UNC and NC State, Duke and Wake Forest, and Virginia and Virginia Tech want to play every year, let them do so OOC in years when they aren't scheduled to meet in conference. Schedule the Notre Dame rotation so these schools only play the Irish in years when they have their in-state rival as a conference game, so they always have at least 9 games against P5 opponents, but don't have to have 10 unless they want to.

In this alignment, UNC, UVa, Duke and Ga Tech get to stay together (which they seem to want), FSU and Clemson get more regional opponents and an improved SOS, and the absence of permanent crossovers increases the frequency with which everybody gets to play the schools outside their division. The northern schools get to reestablish annual rivalries, and have an improved chance of earning a spot in the CCG.

What's the downside?

Downside vt and uva joined at the hip- not only would they object but the governor of the state would be engage and the commonwealth schools would end up in the big ten and acc. Further loses dc market