Losses to Toledo, AT Memphis, Oklahoma and AT Houston.

The Entire SEC will only play 7 road games OOC all of this year (We should feel lucky)
Mizzou at stAte
Vandy at Houston and MTSU
Ole Miss at Memphis
MissState at Southern Miss
LSU at Syracuse
Georgia at Georgia Tech

OOC Record Vs. AP top 25 0-4 (Same teams)

Man the logic for SECs dominance is so circular this year.

The SEC has proven it is good because it has beaten good teams in the SEC and the teams in the SEC are good because they have beaten good teams in the SEC...

(11-05-2015 10:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Losses to Toledo, AT Memphis, Oklahoma and AT Houston.

The Entire SEC only played 7 road games OOC all of this year (We should feel lucky)

OOC Record Vs. AP top 25 0-4 (Same teams)

Man the logic for SECs dominance is so circular this year.

The SEC has proven it is good because it has beaten good teams in the SEC and the teams in the SEC are good because they have beaten good teams in the SEC...

More often than not that is the logic.

LSU moved up 5 spots after beating an Auburn team that was ranked as high a #6. So, the get a big bump for beating a team we now know is hot garbage...

MSU only fell 4 spots after losing to LSU. A&M loses to OM and Bama by a combined 64-26, falls out of the t25 for one week and moves BACK in after beating a sorry South Carolina team by 7 points.

(11-05-2015 10:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Losses to Toledo, AT Memphis, Oklahoma and AT Houston.

The Entire SEC will only play 7 road games OOC all of this year (We should feel lucky)
Mizzou at stAte
Vandy at Houston and MTSU
Ole Miss at Memphis
MissState at Southern Miss
LSU at Syracuse
Georgia at Georgia Tech

OOC Record Vs. AP top 25 0-4 (Same teams)

Man the logic for SECs dominance is so circular this year.

The SEC has proven it is good because it has beaten good teams in the SEC and the teams in the SEC are good because they have beaten good teams in the SEC...

I've said all year the SEC is down this year and the numbers prove it but the SEC propaganda machine is more powerful than any silly facts.

(11-05-2015 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Losses to Toledo, AT Memphis, Oklahoma and AT Houston.

The Entire SEC only played 7 road games OOC all of this year (We should feel lucky)

OOC Record Vs. AP top 25 0-4 (Same teams)

Man the logic for SECs dominance is so circular this year.

The SEC has proven it is good because it has beaten good teams in the SEC and the teams in the SEC are good because they have beaten good teams in the SEC...

More often than not that is the logic.

LSU moved up 5 spots after beating an Auburn team that was ranked as high a #6. So, the get a big bump for beating a team we now know is hot garbage...

MSU only fell 4 spots after losing to LSU. A&M loses to OM and Bama by a combined 64-26, falls out of the t25 for one week and moves BACK in after beating a sorry South Carolina team by 7 points.

The only 7 road games out of 56 total really caught me by surprise...That is crazy in football for an entire conference.

It's called SEC privilege. They're apparently born with it and they have no intention of letting it go.

I think all the P5s know that all they have to do is go undefeated out of conference and win their conference they are in...They are not really trying to do anymore.

(11-05-2015 10:26 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Losses to Toledo, AT Memphis, Oklahoma and AT Houston.

The Entire SEC only played 7 road games OOC all of this year (We should feel lucky)

OOC Record Vs. AP top 25 0-4 (Same teams)

Man the logic for SECs dominance is so circular this year.

The SEC has proven it is good because it has beaten good teams in the SEC and the teams in the SEC are good because they have beaten good teams in the SEC...

More often than not that is the logic.

LSU moved up 5 spots after beating an Auburn team that was ranked as high a #6. So, the get a big bump for beating a team we now know is hot garbage...

MSU only fell 4 spots after losing to LSU. A&M loses to OM and Bama by a combined 64-26, falls out of the t25 for one week and moves BACK in after beating a sorry South Carolina team by 7 points.

The only 7 road games out of 56 total really caught me by surprise...That is crazy in football for an entire conference.

Florida hasn't played an OOC road game outside the state of Florida since 1991.

Yes, that is correct.

IIRC, when UGa played @Arizona State in 2008, that was the first time they had played an OOC game west of the Mississippi River in 40 years.

This year Georgia travels a TOTAL of 1053 miles in their 5 games not at Sanford Stadium, with a trip to Jacksonville being the longest at 338 miles.

Memphis' two road games to KU and BGSU were a combined 1141 miles.

(11-05-2015 10:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  This year Georgia travels a TOTAL of 1053 miles in their 5 games not at Sanford Stadium, with a trip to Jacksonville being the longest at 338 miles.

Wow...So they have not had to schedule a flight all year.

Does the 7 include neutral site non-conference games, which have become popular in the last 5 years? And do any of the other P5 leagues play a significant number of non-conference games on the road?

Most P5 programs expect 7 home games a year. With 4 conference games on the road, that leaves you with one traveling spot for the non-conference games. So the max you are going to see in most years is 14. Factor in the neutral site games and the SEC is probably close to that number.
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(11-05-2015 10:49 AM)Draelius Wrote:  Does the 7 include neutral site non-conference games, which have become popular in the last 5 years? And do any of the other P5 leagues play a significant number of non-conference games on the road?

Most P5 programs expect 7 home games a year. With 4 conference games on the road, that leaves you with one traveling spot for the non-conference games. So the max you are going to see in most years is 14. Factor in the neutral site games and the SEC is probably close to that number.
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PAC has 11 out of 36 and they only have 3 OOC games

B1G has 13 out of 56

Big XII has 9 out of 30 and they only play 3 OOC games and only have 10 teams

AAC has 14 out of 56

So yeah the SEC has roughly half the OOC road games that the other P5 conferences have.

And lets be honest, how neutral is Texas A&M in Houston or Tennessee in Nashville or Missouri in Kansas City. So yes the SEC has 6 neutral games but only 3 are truly neutral.

(11-05-2015 10:49 AM)Draelius Wrote:  Does the 7 include neutral site non-conference games, which have become popular in the last 5 years? And do any of the other P5 leagues play a significant number of non-conference games on the road?

Most P5 programs expect 7 home games a year. With 4 conference games on the road, that leaves you with one traveling spot for the non-conference games. So the max you are going to see in most years is 14. Factor in the neutral site games and the SEC is probably close to that number.
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Bascially, Bama, LSU and UTk actually schedule real OOC teams, with Utk the only school to play true road games. LSU gets virtual home games with them being played in Texas and Bama when the games are in Atl.

OM, MSU and most of the mid major SEC school select comparable mid-major schools and rarely challenge "up the food chain."

Why all the surprise? It's the P5 play book - don't play anyone other than P5 schools OOC and only go to G5 for guaranteed wins, and at home where possible. Of course this means that P5 schools like Indiana, IL, Maryland, Kansas, Wake Forest, NC St, Vandy, etc are in high demand for OOC games. But there are not enough to go around so the B1G "designates" certain G5 opponents as P5 level to meet their rules. And wherever possible avoid schools like Memphis, who can beat you. OM, to give them some credit, is the only SEC school that will play us home & home - and they do it to play BB. UTK & AR both owe us games under defaulted contracts because they don't want to lose to Memphis. Vandy, MSU, UGA UK, USC, UF, UA won't even consider playing us anymore. So it is circular for the P5 conferences, don't play outside the conference if you'll lose. Therefore all losses are "good" losses because they would be against other P5 schools.

(11-05-2015 10:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Why all the surprise? It's the P5 play book - don't play anyone other than P5 schools OOC and only go to G5 for guaranteed wins, and at home where possible. Of course this means that P5 schools like Indiana, IL, Maryland, Kansas, Wake Forest, NC St, Vandy, etc are in high demand for OOC games. But there are not enough to go around so the B1G "designates" certain G5 opponents as P5 level to meet their rules. And wherever possible avoid schools like Memphis, who can beat you. OM, to give them some credit, is the only SEC school that will play us home & home - and they do it to play BB. UTK & AR both owe us games under defaulted contracts because they don't want to lose to Memphis. Vandy, MSU, UGA UK, USC, UF, UA won't even consider playing us anymore. So it is circular for the P5 conferences, don't play outside the conference if you'll lose. Therefore all losses are "good" losses because they would be against other P5 schools.

Don't give Ole Miss too much credit...I think we snuck on them this time. When these games were scheduled it looked like a guaranteed win.

Just like we snuck up on UCLA, will be interesting if we ever see UCLA in Memphis.

(11-05-2015 11:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Why all the surprise? It's the P5 play book - don't play anyone other than P5 schools OOC and only go to G5 for guaranteed wins, and at home where possible. Of course this means that P5 schools like Indiana, IL, Maryland, Kansas, Wake Forest, NC St, Vandy, etc are in high demand for OOC games. But there are not enough to go around so the B1G "designates" certain G5 opponents as P5 level to meet their rules. And wherever possible avoid schools like Memphis, who can beat you. OM, to give them some credit, is the only SEC school that will play us home & home - and they do it to play BB. UTK & AR both owe us games under defaulted contracts because they don't want to lose to Memphis. Vandy, MSU, UGA UK, USC, UF, UA won't even consider playing us anymore. So it is circular for the P5 conferences, don't play outside the conference if you'll lose. Therefore all losses are "good" losses because they would be against other P5 schools.

Don't give Ole Miss too much credit...I think we snuck on them this time. When these games were scheduled it looked like a guaranteed win.

Just like we snuck up on UCLA, will be interesting if we ever see UCLA in Memphis.

Yeah, I have a feeling we know the answer down deep inside.

(11-05-2015 10:49 AM)Draelius Wrote:  Does the 7 include neutral site non-conference games, which have become popular in the last 5 years? And do any of the other P5 leagues play a significant number of non-conference games on the road?

Most P5 programs expect 7 home games a year. With 4 conference games on the road, that leaves you with one traveling spot for the non-conference games. So the max you are going to see in most years is 14. Factor in the neutral site games and the SEC is probably close to that number.
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Atlanta is considered neutral?

A few years back the SEC was pretty dominant and won almost all OOC games. They got exposed last season when they went 0-4 against the ACC the last weekend of the regular season.

I'm sure they will get dominant again in the future, but they aren't right now.

(11-05-2015 10:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Losses to Toledo, AT Memphis, Oklahoma and AT Houston.

The Entire SEC only played 7 road games OOC all of this year (We should feel lucky)

OOC Record Vs. AP top 25 0-4 (Same teams)

Man the logic for SECs dominance is so circular this year.

The SEC has proven it is good because it has beaten good teams in the SEC and the teams in the SEC are good because they have beaten good teams in the SEC...

More often than not that is the logic.

LSU moved up 5 spots after beating an Auburn team that was ranked as high a #6. So, the get a big bump for beating a team we now know is hot garbage...

MSU only fell 4 spots after losing to LSU. A&M loses to OM and Bama by a combined 64-26, falls out of the t25 for one week and moves BACK in after beating a sorry South Carolina team by 7 points.

Just working the scam. Keep your conference teams ranked high so when/if you beat them, you say 'look at the ranked teams' we beat. AU, TXAM, MO, UGA, MSU are not top 25 teams.

UCLA has recently played at Rice, at Houston, at Las Vegas, at Virginia, and has plans to play at Memphis and at Cincinnati and at San Diego. I know UVA isn't G5, but you can see that UCLA clearly doesn't mind giving up home games so that it can increase its exposure to the croots.

UCLA isn't backing out of their game.

CFP Rankings
1 Clemson 8-0 (no SEC opponents)
2 LSU 7-0 N/A
3 Ohio State 8-0 (no SEC opponents)
4 Alabama 7-1 N/A
5 Notre Dame 7-1 (no SEC opponents)
6 Baylor 7-0 (no SEC opponents)
7 Michigan State 8-0 (no SEC opponents)
8 TCU 8-0 (no SEC opponents)
9 Iowa 8-0 (no SEC opponents)
10 Florida 7-1 (will play Florida State 11/28)
11 Stanford 7-1 (no SEC opponents)
12 Utah 7-1 (no SEC opponents)
13 Memphis 8-0 (beat Ole Miss 37-24)
14 Oklahoma State 8-0 (no SEC opponents)
15 Oklahoma 7-1 (won at Tennessee 31-24 2OT)
16 Florida State 7-1 (will play @ Florida 11/28)
17 Michigan 6-2 (no SEC opponents)
18 Ole Miss 7-2 (lost @ Memphis 37-24)
19 Texas A&M 6-2 N/A
20 Mississippi State 6-2 N/A
21 Northwestern 6-2 (no SEC opponents)
22 Temple 7-1 (no SEC opponents)
23 UCLA 6-2 (no SEC opponents)
24 Toledo 7-0 (won @ Arkansas 16-12)
25 Houston 8-0 (beat Vanderbilt 34-0)


Yeah, every OOC game the SEC has played against teams in the CFP Top 25 have been losses, 0-4.

There is one game remaining: Florida State @ Florida on 11/28. That will be the last chance for the SEC to get a Top 25 OOC win.