(11-05-2015 09:20 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 09:08 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Alabama is a lock with just 1 loss. Oklahoma might get the last spot since they would have beaten Baylor, TCU, and Okie State.

Just because Alabama is there right now, that doesn't mean they will remain in the top 4 while winning out. If Ole Miss wins out, as is stated, then THEY not Alabama go to the SEC CCG game and we don't have a precedent for that but I think it is fair to say that would definitely hurt Alabama in the eyes of the committee. If Florida doesn't win that CCG against Ole Miss then the SEC goes unrepresented because this situation means that LSU lost to Alabama this coming week AND to Ole Miss two weeks after that.


So to answer the OP, I think in this scenario it truly comes down to the eye test and how the 1 loss teams looked in their wins because those will be some big wins, especially for the big 12 teams that don't have big tests right now.

I think between Oklahoma and Baylor that would have to lean on Oklahoma BUT they both have three games after their game against each other so that is a lot of time to prove either team has improved or degressed. Baylor plays Texas in the final game, if they crush Texas than that would help to offset a close loss to Oklahoma. I do think a 1 loss big 12 team has a very good shot of getting in with this scenario.

Stanford probably gets that last spot because they aren't just winning the PAC but they are also beating Notre Dame if they only have one loss at the end.

agree it would be Okie snd Stanford since they are conference champs with better records than SEC champ.

SEC and Memphis are out.

(11-05-2015 01:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:39 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 10:17 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  We have a quasi-precedent, in what happened in the BCS four years ago, when Alabama also didn't win their division or the SEC, and yet the pollsters voted Alabama into the BCS title game anyway.

Remember, the CFP is not some big, radical departure from the polls. It may look like it now, but at the end of the year, they will converge, and to what the polls will look like. If Alabama was playing Iowa's schedule from here on out, sure, we'd have every reason to think they would be toast. But they have #2 LSU and #20 MSST on the agenda, so they will not be dropped lower even as others win.

And if Alabama wins out, there is no way Ole Miss passes them in the polls.

And what happened in that Championship Game between Alabama and LSU? Yeah, not happening. The Committee showed huge favor to the conference championship games and the participation showed within.

Alabama not even being in one is going to hurt them. TCU is the precedent that shows how harmful that can be to not be part of it.

TCU was being compared to teams with the same record. Do you really think the CFP will rank 2-loss, SEC champ Ole Miss over 1-loss Alabama?

We're talking about Alabama here, not TCU. I suspect that will matter. Maybe we will get the chance to see.

I would love to see the committee squirm trying to justify putting Bama in when they wouldn't have won the SEC.

They won't have to squirm. In basketball, is it a big deal if a UNC team that didn't win the ACC has a higher NCAA tournament seed than a Virginia team that did? No it isn't.

That's because in determining their champ, conferences ignore certain information that the CFP cannot be expected to ignore. For example, for the purpose of determining the SEC champ, the SEC disregards OOC games, so the fact that Ole Miss lost to Memphis is irrelevant, doesn't factor in.

But obviously, from a national point of view, Ole Miss losing an OOC game is very relevant, and so once that is factored in, it could be very rational to conclude that in terms of qualifications for a national playoff, Alabama is more worthy than Ole Miss even though Ole Miss won the SEC.

The CFP is a national entity, not a conference entity. Alabama and Ole Miss will be being compared to the entire FBS field, not just to each other, or just to members of the SEC.

It's not basketball. That's treated completely different. 68 teams make the playoff in basketball. There's only 4 in football.

(11-05-2015 12:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

To paraphrase Chris Rock...."Perfect for who?" :)

Obviously not for Notre Dame lol.

People keeping bringing up these scenarios on Memphis getting left out.

shortened version.

Ole Miss wins the SEC.
BGSU wins the MAC.
Memphis wins out 13-0. 8-0 vs bowl teams, 5 top 25 wins.
PAC champ has 2 losses.
Notre Dame has 2 losses.

They bring all of this up, and still debate whether or not Memphis would get in.

Bottom line. If all of that happens. YES, Memphis gets in no questions asked.

Memphis would be the #4 team and it's not debatable.

Can't have Bama in claiming they are playing better than anyone when Ole Miss beat them head to head and also beat the same opponents.

Can't validate a 2 loss PAC team getting in over an SEC Champ, 1 loss Bama or LSU, or Memphis in that situation.

So the scenario is perfect for Memphis. If all that happened regardless of what any fans opinion is. Memphis is in.

That scenario being debated is comical. There is no debate. Memphis is in.

As I said. The scenario is highly unlikely anyway.

If that does happen though, and Memphis ends up 5th or 6th. It'll be a joke.

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

Well, if Memphis beats Navy, Houston and Temple (twice), those opponents aren't likely to be in the top-25. So, Memphis won't get credit for five top-25 wins. They would have ONE top-25 win, and a bunch of good/decent wins, just like the rest of the field.

SO, the Selection Committee could easily turn to other factors, like the 'eye test', recruiting rankings, brand name, etc. and exclude Memphis. And, it really wouldn't shock too many to see 11-1 Alabama get in ahead of 13-0 Memphis in that scenario. Some in the Selection Committee might even favor Alabama over undefeated Clemson - if Notre Dame has two losses and drops out of the top-10 and FSU has two or more losses. Clemson's quality wins would lose some luster too.

It's not what I would want or choose, but it wouldn't be surprising to see the Selection Committee select Alabama, despite the same-opponent results. In fact, I might be surprised to see the Selection Committee actually choose Memphis.

Memphis would have beaten high quality teams in Navy, Temple, Houston, another Navy/Temple rematch, and Ole Miss. How many in the top in the playoffs could say they have beaten 5 top 40 teams, three of them in the top 25, and playing one of these teams twice. Who in the top 10 CFP Committee can claim that any of those schools can claim the amount of bodywork that Memphis have put together?

(11-05-2015 02:56 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  It's not basketball. That's treated completely different. 68 teams make the playoff in basketball. There's only 4 in football.

But the same principle applies: Because in determining their champs the conferences ignore information that, from a national POV is vital, namely OOC results, it is not reasonable to conclude that a conference winner should always have a higher national ranking than a conference also-ran.

(11-05-2015 09:04 AM)andy98 Wrote:  This probably would never happen, but what if.....
-Clemson goes undefeated.
-Ohio State goes undefeated.
-Ole Miss wins the SEC with 2 losses to Memphis and Florida.
-Memphis goes undefeated including a win over SEC champ Ole Miss.
-Alabama finishes with 1 loss to Ole Miss.
-Stanford wins the Pac Twelve with 1 loss to Northwestern.
-Oklahoma wins the Big Twelve with 1 loss to Texas.
-Baylor finishes with 1 loss to Oklahoma.

Other than Clemson and Ohio State, who would be the other 2 teams that would make the playoff?

you'd get:

#1 Clemson vs. #4 Alabama
#2 Ohio State vs. #3 Stanford

Sorry Oklahoma and Memphis

(11-05-2015 09:11 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 09:08 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Alabama is a lock with just 1 loss. Oklahoma might get the last spot since they would have beaten Baylor, TCU, and Okie State.

If Ole Miss wins the SEC, how would the committee treat a Bama team that didn't win it's conference and lost to the team that did? At that point, Ole Miss would have the same quality of wins and would have avenged their loss to Florida.

Alabama would probably be in...and why not? they would have played a pretty decent schedule

(11-06-2015 03:18 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 09:11 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 09:08 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Alabama is a lock with just 1 loss. Oklahoma might get the last spot since they would have beaten Baylor, TCU, and Okie State.

If Ole Miss wins the SEC, how would the committee treat a Bama team that didn't win it's conference and lost to the team that did? At that point, Ole Miss would have the same quality of wins and would have avenged their loss to Florida.

Alabama would probably be in...and why not? they would have played a pretty decent schedule

This is a chaos scenario. They lost to the SEC Champ, and it would cause a conspiracy theory that Alabama have gotten the spot handed to them because of who they are. If they are not the conference champ? They do not belong in the playoffs period.

(11-06-2015 03:18 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 09:11 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 09:08 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Alabama is a lock with just 1 loss. Oklahoma might get the last spot since they would have beaten Baylor, TCU, and Okie State.

If Ole Miss wins the SEC, how would the committee treat a Bama team that didn't win it's conference and lost to the team that did? At that point, Ole Miss would have the same quality of wins and would have avenged their loss to Florida.

Alabama would probably be in...and why not? they would have played a pretty decent schedule

It is not that simple. We would have to know what other options are out there other than Alabama. If a big 12 team runs that end of the season gauntlet then they could get in instead of Alabama. We saw TCU get dropped out of the top four despite not losing.

For instance, if Stanford wins out, beats Notre Dame and then goes on to win their conference championship then they are in over Alabama if Alabama is not in their conference's championship game.

If all that happens and Memphis wins out then they could truly get in ahead of Alabama as crazy as that sounds. If Florida loses to Ole Miss in the conference championship game, how good does that make Memphis look by beating the SEC conference champion?

Like it or not, they are part of the conversation right now.

(11-05-2015 09:04 AM)andy98 Wrote:  This probably would never happen, but what if.....
-Clemson goes undefeated.
-Ohio State goes undefeated.
-Ole Miss wins the SEC with 2 losses to Memphis and Florida.
-Memphis goes undefeated including a win over SEC champ Ole Miss.
-Alabama finishes with 1 loss to Ole Miss.
-Stanford wins the Pac Twelve with 1 loss to Northwestern.
-Oklahoma wins the Big Twelve with 1 loss to Texas.
-Baylor finishes with 1 loss to Oklahoma.

Other than Clemson and Ohio State, who would be the other 2 teams that would make the playoff?

Also pretty interesting if Notre Dame wins that game vs. Stanford.

(11-05-2015 09:17 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Pffft. That's not even close to chaos.

In one of the BCS years, almost every team that was a contender lost at least one of their last two games. That's chaos.

Its an opportunity to destroy the CFP's credibility more than "chaos."

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

They have said the criteria is the "best" team, not the most "deserving." That means they have no real criteria. They'll do whatever they want.

(11-06-2015 05:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  They have said the criteria is the "best" team, not the most "deserving." That means they have no real criteria. They'll do whatever they want.

The 8-team CFP with autobids for the top-6 conference champs (not necessarily P5, but likely) is the most likely to get BOTH the "best" and "most deserving".

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

If Memphis, Alabama and Ole Miss win out, it is likely that Alabama would be the one to get into the playoffs. Alabama would ace out Ole Miss because they have a better record.

Alabama would get in over Memphis because they will have played a tougher schedule. You seem to think games against Temple, Houston, and Navy are going to register as big games. I don't think the final SOS rankings will show that.

(11-06-2015 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

If Memphis, Alabama and Ole Miss win out, it is likely that Alabama would be the one to get into the playoffs. Alabama would ace out Ole Miss because they have a better record.

Alabama would get in over Memphis because they will have played a tougher schedule. You seem to think games against Temple, Houston, and Navy are going to register as big games. I don't think the final SOS rankings will show that.

Wrong. Alabama is out if they are not the conference champs. Alabama almost lost to Arkansas after their lost to Ole Miss. They are not the BEST team right now. They are only there because of their namesake. Look what happened to them last year when they were in the same mentioned in the 4 playoff spots in the polls? They lost big time in the semi. It means that Alabama was overrated last year like Florida State was as well. Same thing will happen this year since Alabama does not belong there.

(11-06-2015 07:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

If Memphis, Alabama and Ole Miss win out, it is likely that Alabama would be the one to get into the playoffs. Alabama would ace out Ole Miss because they have a better record.

Alabama would get in over Memphis because they will have played a tougher schedule. You seem to think games against Temple, Houston, and Navy are going to register as big games. I don't think the final SOS rankings will show that.

Wrong. Alabama is out if they are not the conference champs. Alabama almost lost to Arkansas after their lost to Ole Miss. They are not the BEST team right now. They are only there because of their namesake. Look what happened to them last year when they were in the same mentioned in the 4 playoff spots in the polls? They lost big time in the semi. It means that Alabama was overrated last year like Florida State was as well. Same thing will happen this year since Alabama does not belong there.

I didn't realize you were on the committee.

What happened last year is completely independent of this year. After 20 years, you can say the committee will take a team if they meet X, Y, and Z criteria. It's impossible to look at this year and say Bama won't make it because they're not a conference champ and lost last year.

Ole Miss finishes with Arkansas, LSU and Miss State. If they lose one and Alabama wins out, Ole Miss wins the West. The committee will not pick a team that didn't even win their division. They'll pick a conference runner-up first.

Tomorrow's LSU-Alabama game will answer a lot of questions, though.

Alabama's best hope is to win out and Ole Miss lose to LSU. That gives all of them 1 loss.

The playoffs start tomorrow - this is the best time of the season.

(11-06-2015 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

If Memphis, Alabama and Ole Miss win out, it is likely that Alabama would be the one to get into the playoffs. Alabama would ace out Ole Miss because they have a better record.

Alabama would get in over Memphis because they will have played a tougher schedule. You seem to think games against Temple, Houston, and Navy are going to register as big games. I don't think the final SOS rankings will show that.

You're probably right. And they may well rank above an unbeaten Big 12 team as well. And the committee will forfeit all credibility for ignoring results on the field for their eyeball test.

(11-06-2015 07:32 PM)PGEMF Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:17 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 12:26 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  If Ole Miss wins out and is the SEC Champ and Bama gets in over them. With the head to head @ BAMA. This Playoff committee will be a complete joke. If Memphis wins out and that would include wins over 3 more ranked teams with that head to head against Ole Miss and Ole Miss gets in and Memphis doesn't that would be a complete joke.

The best bet is if the Committee doesn't want to put a DESERVING Memphis team in under that scenario, then they should just leave the SEC out of it. Period. THERE is no way to justify putting any SEC team in if it played out like that.

You also, couldn't justify putting in a 2 loss PAC team in when comparing to Memphis or the SEC Champ in that scenario. Please explain to me how you would... You can't, it would be a disgrace and completely pathetic...

Notre Dame would also have 2 losses in that PERFECT scenario.

So in this HIGHLY unlikely scenario.

It would probably be leaving the SEC out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Memphis

or leave the SEC, PAC and Memphis out all together.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Some team they pull out of their ass, to try and justify not having Memphis in the top 4. Won't be a 2 loss Notre Dame. Who could it be?

Bottom line is if things play out the way that scenario describes, Memphis IS in. Compare Schedules, whatever metric you would want to use. Memphis would be in the top 4. Everyone thinks it's just simple to say they won't let a G5 in. It doesn't work that way... This is a Playoff, it is open to all 128 FBS teams... At the end of the day, when you are comparing everything Memphis in the BEST case scenario would have 5 Top 25 wins. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. 8 wins against Bowl teams. Better than almost ANYONE in front of them. Would have beaten the MAC and SEC CHAMPS.

It's not probable any of this happens anyway, but if it does don't be surprised to see a top 4 Memphis.

Come on, what arguments could ANYONE possibly spit out to argue this? I can't wait to hear them.. I am expecting a lot of opinion oriented bs, and a bunch of non factual bs. Please prove me wrong....

If Memphis, Alabama and Ole Miss win out, it is likely that Alabama would be the one to get into the playoffs. Alabama would ace out Ole Miss because they have a better record.

Alabama would get in over Memphis because they will have played a tougher schedule. You seem to think games against Temple, Houston, and Navy are going to register as big games. I don't think the final SOS rankings will show that.

Wrong. Alabama is out if they are not the conference champs. Alabama almost lost to Arkansas after their lost to Ole Miss. They are not the BEST team right now. They are only there because of their namesake. Look what happened to them last year when they were in the same mentioned in the 4 playoff spots in the polls? They lost big time in the semi. It means that Alabama was overrated last year like Florida State was as well. Same thing will happen this year since Alabama does not belong there.

I didn't realize you were on the committee.

What happened last year is completely independent of this year. After 20 years, you can say the committee will take a team if they meet X, Y, and Z criteria. It's impossible to look at this year and say Bama won't make it because they're not a conference champ and lost last year.

The committee set a strong precedent last year. conference championships matter. It is a reasonable assumption they will do the same this year.