(11-05-2015 03:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: (11-05-2015 03:24 PM)mj4life Wrote: (11-05-2015 03:14 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote: (11-05-2015 02:53 PM)mj4life Wrote: (11-05-2015 10:50 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote: Carolina has had just one short period of major football sucess and that was in the 1940's. They had some minor success in the early 70's, early 80's and the late 90's.
Mack Brown wasn't an all-in football move. We hired him from Tulane. And Mack didn't get us to elite until his last 2 years. Now Butch came in with the whole "I built one of the best teams in college football history at Miami" rhetoric. He had the name recognition and respect. We all thought we were headed into greener pastures. Didn't quite work out.
Mack was UNC going all in. It's not about throwing a ton of money at a big name coach. You hire a good coach, you give him the resources to compete & it's really that simple.
He did have the resources to compete. We finished in the top 10 his last 2 years then he went to Texas. We're not outbidding Texas.
I know that. If a Texas type program comes along then you can kiss the coach good bye but what you don't do is make a bad hire(Torbush) & replace him with a worst choice(Bunting) & allow him to stay with the mediocre results he produced.
The players revolted and pressured the AD into hiring Torbush. Then the AD decided to hire someone with UNC ties (Bunting is an alum). That didn't quite work out either. People got sick and tired and we went and got Butch Davis. That was supposed to be the magic bullet.....nah.
Carolina has had just one short period of major football success and that was in the 1940's. They had some minor success in the early 70's, early 80's and the late 90's.
While generally forgotten today, it was DUKE that dominated college sports in NC from the early 30's to the early 60's. The proximity of the Duke program to UNC and to NC State stunted both programs.
For Carolina to compete on the football field without gaming the academic side, UNC has to be able to recruit all the really smart kids who otherwise end up at UVa, Duke, or GT. The national reputation value of their degrees is greater than UNC's. Duke can load up with dozens of three start kids with high IQ's but can't hide a 4 star idiot. UNC is large enough to hide a number of idiots but not 30 or so.
Effectively UNC gets squeezed and the route using 3 star egg heads takes 4-5 years to pay off. UNC can't give that time. The 4 star moron route was a disaster of biblical proportions.
The last time UNC was really good under Mack Brown in the late 90's, he was getting most of the talent from the Tidewater of Va. VT then began to eat into that talent base.
There are 18 million people in Florida, but only 3 P-5 schools.
There are 10 million people in NC, but 4 P-5's move out just one state in all directions and you get the following:
NC with VA/SC/TN/GA - about 30 million people and 12 P-5's, plus two AAC schools.
Fla with Bama and GA - about 30 million people and just 7 P-5's and two AAC schools.
The State of NC can successfully support three P-5 programs at most - two public, one private. ECU is a big factor in NC.
What UNC faces is direct superior academic competition for eggheads from Duke and to a lesser degree UVa and GT. On the lower academic end they have competition from ECU, South Carolina. UNC can't compete for a football recruit with ND, Penn State, FSU, or Alabama. Now, once you slice and dice like that what are you left with - not an innate powerhouse. NC State is in nearly the same boat but with a STEM oriented curriculum, and all of this is before you take into account the internal competition between football and basketball.