(11-10-2015 02:27 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 01:57 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 08:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 09:36 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  NC State and UNC get cannibalized by Duke and Wake. Most states have no more than 2 teams in same conference. Eastern Carolina and App State are better non P5 programs than most states have.

Who the heck is Eastern Carolina?
Sorry Clem, you just lost the last sliver of cred.
Move along troll.

i don' think about East Carolina much. reality is they may be the best football program in the state. lol

Mack Brown had UNC looking like a powerhouse in the mid 90's.

you always hear ppl gush over the campus at UNC and UVA. so kind of surprising they can't recruit better.

i'd rather live in Charlottesville or CHapel Hill than Tuscaloosa. lol

Did you know that only 8 times in the past 36 years has ECU had fewer than five losses in a season? Their record since 1980 is 211-210. Yet somehow they have gotten a reputation as a football powerhouse. Go figure.

CFB is all about "what have you done for me lately." It's sad when tradition is ignored.

sports isn't history class. it is about the present. its entertainment.

in the modern era there are more schools trying to be competive in football, this is the main reason you see the historic powers like Michigan and Texas struggling. they don't have a monopoly on recruiting anymore

(11-10-2015 05:52 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  sports isn't history class. it is about the present. its entertainment.

in the modern era there are more schools trying to be competive in football, this is the main reason you see the historic powers like Michigan and Texas struggling. they don't have a monopoly on recruiting anymore

There are years where UCF and Temple have better teams than Michigan and Notre Dame, but a UCF v. Temple game just isn't the same.

There's something special about seeing two old powers go at it - something that transcends the players. To me, that's part of the entertainment. Even IVY football is fun to watch for that reason. Sure most of the IVY League stinks, but seeing each school's fan base yell 100+ year old cheers while both teams play in a 100+ year old stadium is fun. You can imagine being there in 1920, and that is pretty cool, which makes the experience richer.

That's also part of the reason I will always care about playing PSU, BC, WVU, and Pitt more than better/arguable better teams like UL, Clemson, and FSU.

(11-10-2015 02:27 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 01:57 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 08:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-08-2015 09:36 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  NC State and UNC get cannibalized by Duke and Wake. Most states have no more than 2 teams in same conference. Eastern Carolina and App State are better non P5 programs than most states have.

Who the heck is Eastern Carolina?
Sorry Clem, you just lost the last sliver of cred.
Move along troll.

i don' think about East Carolina much. reality is they may be the best football program in the state. lol

Mack Brown had UNC looking like a powerhouse in the mid 90's.

you always hear ppl gush over the campus at UNC and UVA. so kind of surprising they can't recruit better.

i'd rather live in Charlottesville or CHapel Hill than Tuscaloosa. lol

Did you know that only 8 times in the past 36 years has ECU had fewer than five losses in a season? Their record since 1980 is 211-210. Yet somehow they have gotten a reputation as a football powerhouse. Go figure.

No actually ECU has a reputation as a football school. They have traditionally "played up", competing well and sometimes beating schools that they aren't suppose to beat. They play at most one OOC game a year against a team they would be viewed being above. This year it was Towson St. and the other teams they played were BYU, Florida, and VT. What kind of record do you expect them to have when they have consistently played teams from the P5 with bigger budgets, recruiting advantages, and higer profiles? Compare that to the fickle fan base at Carolina and the horrible OOC schedule at State (I am a State fan but their schedule is crap) and you schould be able to see why ECU football is viewed positively. Go figure.

(11-10-2015 06:30 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 05:52 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  sports isn't history class. it is about the present. its entertainment.

in the modern era there are more schools trying to be competive in football, this is the main reason you see the historic powers like Michigan and Texas struggling. they don't have a monopoly on recruiting anymore

There are years where UCF and Temple have better teams than Michigan and Notre Dame, but a UCF v. Temple game just isn't the same.

There's something special about seeing two old powers go at it - something that transcends the players. To me, that's part of the entertainment. Even IVY football is fun to watch for that reason. Sure most of the IVY League stinks, but seeing each school's fan base yell 100+ year old cheers while both teams play in a 100+ year old stadium is fun. You can imagine being there in 1920, and that is pretty cool, which makes the experience richer.

That's also part of the reason I will always care about playing PSU, BC, WVU, and Pitt more than better/arguable better teams like UL, Clemson, and FSU.

Agreed, and on top of that I don't personally know many people who are a fan of Clemson/FSU/Louisville which makes the games less interesting. I know fans of PSU, ND, WVU, Syracuse which makes those games more fun for me personally.

(11-11-2015 09:27 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 06:30 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 05:52 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  sports isn't history class. it is about the present. its entertainment.

in the modern era there are more schools trying to be competive in football, this is the main reason you see the historic powers like Michigan and Texas struggling. they don't have a monopoly on recruiting anymore

There are years where UCF and Temple have better teams than Michigan and Notre Dame, but a UCF v. Temple game just isn't the same.

There's something special about seeing two old powers go at it - something that transcends the players. To me, that's part of the entertainment. Even IVY football is fun to watch for that reason. Sure most of the IVY League stinks, but seeing each school's fan base yell 100+ year old cheers while both teams play in a 100+ year old stadium is fun. You can imagine being there in 1920, and that is pretty cool, which makes the experience richer.

That's also part of the reason I will always care about playing PSU, BC, WVU, and Pitt more than better/arguable better teams like UL, Clemson, and FSU.

Agreed, and on top of that I don't personally know many people who are a fan of Clemson/FSU/Louisville which makes the games less interesting. I know fans of PSU, ND, WVU, Syracuse which makes those games more fun for me personally.

That's why I like playing in the ACC over the Big East. I know tons of UVA, UNC, Duke, NCST, Maryland and Clemson fans but the only school in the old Big East I would see other teams fans of was WVU.

(11-11-2015 09:27 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 06:30 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 05:52 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  sports isn't history class. it is about the present. its entertainment.

in the modern era there are more schools trying to be competive in football, this is the main reason you see the historic powers like Michigan and Texas struggling. they don't have a monopoly on recruiting anymore

There are years where UCF and Temple have better teams than Michigan and Notre Dame, but a UCF v. Temple game just isn't the same.

There's something special about seeing two old powers go at it - something that transcends the players. To me, that's part of the entertainment. Even IVY football is fun to watch for that reason. Sure most of the IVY League stinks, but seeing each school's fan base yell 100+ year old cheers while both teams play in a 100+ year old stadium is fun. You can imagine being there in 1920, and that is pretty cool, which makes the experience richer.

That's also part of the reason I will always care about playing PSU, BC, WVU, and Pitt more than better/arguable better teams like UL, Clemson, and FSU.

Agreed, and on top of that I don't personally know many people who are a fan of Clemson/FSU/Louisville which makes the games less interesting. I know fans of PSU, ND, WVU, Syracuse which makes those games more fun for me personally.

This is partly why the ACC has issues....it doesn't have rivalries and similar sport interests (Bball league in football world).

Some would argue that is why you should have a NORTH SOUTH division instead of what we have now to increase those rivalries.

ACC has added 6 new teams in the last 10 years or so. That's way more than any other conference. It takes a lot of time to develop those rivalries, especially ones people care about.

(11-13-2015 09:29 AM)nole Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 09:27 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 06:30 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 05:52 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  sports isn't history class. it is about the present. its entertainment.

in the modern era there are more schools trying to be competive in football, this is the main reason you see the historic powers like Michigan and Texas struggling. they don't have a monopoly on recruiting anymore

There are years where UCF and Temple have better teams than Michigan and Notre Dame, but a UCF v. Temple game just isn't the same.

There's something special about seeing two old powers go at it - something that transcends the players. To me, that's part of the entertainment. Even IVY football is fun to watch for that reason. Sure most of the IVY League stinks, but seeing each school's fan base yell 100+ year old cheers while both teams play in a 100+ year old stadium is fun. You can imagine being there in 1920, and that is pretty cool, which makes the experience richer.

That's also part of the reason I will always care about playing PSU, BC, WVU, and Pitt more than better/arguable better teams like UL, Clemson, and FSU.

Agreed, and on top of that I don't personally know many people who are a fan of Clemson/FSU/Louisville which makes the games less interesting. I know fans of PSU, ND, WVU, Syracuse which makes those games more fun for me personally.

This is partly why the ACC has issues....it doesn't have rivalries and similar sport interests (Bball league in football world).

Some would argue that is why you should have a NORTH SOUTH division instead of what we have now to increase those rivalries.

North co South
Pitt. --- FSU
Syr. --- GT
BC. --- Clemson
UL. --- Miami
VT. --- Virginia
NCSt. --- NC
WF. --- Duke

I don't think that makes everyone happy & doesn't take care of the so called "must play" games but I can see FSU & Clemson being satisfied with it.

^ can we contain the division theories to one thread?

Thanks :)

(11-13-2015 11:50 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  ^ can we contain the division theories to one thread?

Thanks :)

Lol, yes. He mentioned a north/south split so just showing how bad that looks.

(11-13-2015 11:42 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(11-13-2015 09:29 AM)nole Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 09:27 AM)MKPitt Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 06:30 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 05:52 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  sports isn't history class. it is about the present. its entertainment.

in the modern era there are more schools trying to be competive in football, this is the main reason you see the historic powers like Michigan and Texas struggling. they don't have a monopoly on recruiting anymore

There are years where UCF and Temple have better teams than Michigan and Notre Dame, but a UCF v. Temple game just isn't the same.

There's something special about seeing two old powers go at it - something that transcends the players. To me, that's part of the entertainment. Even IVY football is fun to watch for that reason. Sure most of the IVY League stinks, but seeing each school's fan base yell 100+ year old cheers while both teams play in a 100+ year old stadium is fun. You can imagine being there in 1920, and that is pretty cool, which makes the experience richer.

That's also part of the reason I will always care about playing PSU, BC, WVU, and Pitt more than better/arguable better teams like UL, Clemson, and FSU.

Agreed, and on top of that I don't personally know many people who are a fan of Clemson/FSU/Louisville which makes the games less interesting. I know fans of PSU, ND, WVU, Syracuse which makes those games more fun for me personally.

This is partly why the ACC has issues....it doesn't have rivalries and similar sport interests (Bball league in football world).

Some would argue that is why you should have a NORTH SOUTH division instead of what we have now to increase those rivalries.

North co South
Pitt. --- FSU
Syr. --- GT
BC. --- Clemson
UL. --- Miami
VT. --- Virginia
NCSt. --- NC
WF. --- Duke

I don't think that makes everyone happy & doesn't take care of the so called "must play" games but I can see FSU & Clemson being satisfied with it.

Flip Pitt and Louisville. Pitt & Miami have a ton of history together.

i think BC vs Clemson is a good rivalry, they always play us tough, and they were better in the Matt Ryan years. i think this is the best north-south rivalry in football. they even give out a leather helment to the mvp of the game.

It would be good if Clemson and Va tech were permanent cross divisional rivals and let G Tech match up with somebody else. or don't have fixed permanent cross divisional rivals.

(11-14-2015 03:23 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i think BC vs Clemson is a good rivalry, they always play us tough, and they were better in the Matt Ryan years. i think this is the best north-south rivalry in football. they even give out a leather helment to the mvp of the game.

It would be good if Clemson and Va tech were permanent cross divisional rivals and let G Tech match up with somebody else. or don't have fixed permanent cross divisional rivals.

You are the first Clemson person I've ever heard say give up GT for someone else. You've played GT 81 times and VT only 33. GT is your third most played rival.

(11-14-2015 10:05 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 03:23 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i think BC vs Clemson is a good rivalry, they always play us tough, and they were better in the Matt Ryan years. i think this is the best north-south rivalry in football. they even give out a leather helment to the mvp of the game.

It would be good if Clemson and Va tech were permanent cross divisional rivals and let G Tech match up with somebody else. or don't have fixed permanent cross divisional rivals.

You are the first Clemson person I've ever heard say give up GT for someone else. You've played GT 81 times and VT only 33. GT is your third most played rival.

GT's oldest rival is DUke. They rarely get to play Duke now.

GT will never be able to be an elite program due to tougher academic eligibility requirements. VA Tech can be if they have coach who can recruit.

they could move GT to CLem's division, and move FSU to the other one. I'd be good with that.

(11-14-2015 02:33 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  GT's oldest rival is DUke. They rarely get to play Duke now.

If by "rarely" you mean only once every year then yes.

(11-14-2015 05:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 02:33 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  GT's oldest rival is DUke. They rarely get to play Duke now.

If by "rarely" you mean only once every year then yes.

oops brain lapse

move g tech to clemson's division and let them match up with duke from the other. swap lousville and va tech. maybe swap fsu and maimi

Getting back to the original topic, as much as I hate to admit it, Carolina is beginning to look like a powerhouse this year.

(11-14-2015 09:37 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Getting back to the original topic, as much as I hate to admit it, Carolina is beginning to look like a powerhouse this year.

UNC has played the easiest schedule of all the undefeated and 1 loss teams in P5.

they are at Va Tech and at NC State. look for them to lose both of those.

Pitt is going to sneak in to title game with two home games comeing up Miami and Lousville.

if UNC gets to title game Clemson is going to have at least 500 yards rushing on them.

what i want to know is why these ACC schools that have a lot more students than Clemson have much smaller stadiums than Clemson. UNC's is surprisngly small.

granted, it is a chick school. lol

(11-15-2015 01:58 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 09:37 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Getting back to the original topic, as much as I hate to admit it, Carolina is beginning to look like a powerhouse this year.

UNC has played the easiest schedule of all the undefeated and 1 loss teams in P5.

they are at Va Tech and at NC State. look for them to lose both of those.

Pitt is going to sneak in to title game with two home games comeing up Miami and Lousville.

if UNC gets to title game Clemson is going to have at least 500 yards rushing on them.

what i want to know is why these ACC schools that have a lot more students than Clemson have much smaller stadiums than Clemson. UNC's is surprisngly small.

granted, it is a chick school. lol

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