(11-05-2015 06:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  You guys understand they way they pick teams in the CFP poll right?

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/se...e-protocol

-Each committee member picks 30 teams who they think are the best.
-Teams listed by 3 or more members remain under consideration.
-Member will then list who they think is the six best teams in no particular order.
-The top 3 vote getters in the among all members best 6 are the top 3 seeds.
-Teams 4 though 9 then repeat the same process.

...The teams that are picked #1, #4, #7, #10, #13, #16, #19, #22 all were winners in their group section....

So, Alabama, Memphis, and Ole Miss weren't compared to each other at all during the grouping discussions.

It will be interesting to see how that might change if Memphis and Ole Miss keep winning and move up into a grouping where these schools are compared against each other.

(11-04-2015 09:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 02:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 01:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 10:26 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...because I think they are very different than the usual poll-think of the AP and Coaches poll...

I like how they aren't afraid to push teams down because of weak schedules...being undefeated doesn't give you an automatic pass

I also hear how some teams have a lot of "ground" to cover....I think that's less of a factor in the committee poll. I think this poll is more "power poll"-ish

Where is Oklahoma State right now? Where will they be if they beat TCU? I'm guessing at least #4

If Ohio State struggles against Minnesota, are they still in next week? Wouldn't surprise me to see them get completely pushed out

The committee poll isn't reflective of last year, and doesn't owe any team anything...for a HUMAN poll, it's way better than the stupid out-dated AP and Coaches polls...

Not much to get. Heavy P5 bias. Heavy brand bias beyond the P5 bias. Its just as flawed as the old system, it just has different issues. Its clear the committee should only be part of the puzzle. Maybe 33% polls. 33% computers. 33% committee. No, that wouldn't be perfect, but at least it wouldn't be so easy to rig.

And how exactly would that work?

Well, lets be honest here---all we have done is replaced multiple polls that represented thousands of points of view and hundreds of computer generated stat comparisons---and replaced it all with one poll of 12 people. How is that progress?

The old way we used 6 BCS computer models and blended them to create one poll and we blended that pool in with the AP and Coaches to decide the top two teams. Id say we do what we used to, but just add a 3rd leg to the stool. The selection committee (which if I was running it, would have one rep from each FBS conference and then a few other well known and trusted personalities) would be one third of the CFP rankings. The CFP rankings would simply be the average rank of the teams from all 3 sources.

I'd say just use the computer polls exclusively and have the committee then use its iterative 1-6, 4-9 method of voting to make individual judgements as to who is #1.

This way a blue collar team like TCU that gets it done on the field every year isn't hurt by not having the flashy Heisman candidate.

In basketball the committee works fine. They seed 68 teams and the AP/Coaches only track 25. A #1 seed (Top 4) carries prestige and it may in some cases be because one of the schools in question has the national player of the year. That's not controversial because the committee then has #2 seeds which are still a very high seed. Drop below #2 seed and you are in the middle of the bracket with the Sweet 16 contenders.

A ranking in the AP/Coaches is a status symbol but not in anyway reflective of how the field of 68 will look and the public knows this. The public still associates the AP/Coaches poll in football as to team strength, then the committee flips the rankings completely upside down starting November.

(11-05-2015 06:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 06:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  You guys understand they way they pick teams in the CFP poll right?

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/se...e-protocol

-Each committee member picks 30 teams who they think are the best.
-Teams listed by 3 or more members remain under consideration.
-Member will then list who they think is the six best teams in no particular order.
-The top 3 vote getters in the among all members best 6 are the top 3 seeds.
-Teams 4 though 9 then repeat the same process.

...The teams that are picked #1, #4, #7, #10, #13, #16, #19, #22 all were winners in their group section....

So, Alabama, Memphis, and Ole Miss weren't compared to each other at all during the grouping discussions.

It will be interesting to see how that might change if Memphis and Ole Miss keep winning and move up into a grouping where these schools are compared against each other.

In the #4-#9 bracket members present their #4-#9 candidates. Its possible that a few members included Memphis or Ole Miss on ballots but if so both were dismissed when compared to Alabama. Dismissed greatly because they didn't get selected at #5 or #6.

The next round was #7-#12, followed by #10-#15 and #13-#18. Its possible Memphis and Ole Miss shared the #13-#18 round together since Memphis was picked #13 and Ole Miss #18 but maybe not.

Baylor back up qb is legit

(11-05-2015 08:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Baylor back up qb is legit

He looked good. That was a horrible team he was playing though.

(11-06-2015 09:09 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 08:13 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Baylor back up qb is legit

He looked good. That was a horrible team he was playing though.

Yeah, but you don't pass for over 400 yards in your first game because the opposing defense was horrible. You do that because you are ready. That guy was ready for this opportunity, tribute to the coaching staff of Baylor.

If he wasn't ready then Kansas State's defense would have ended up looking good.

Horrible? I don't think so. Not elite, sure.

And they only won by 7. He had four nice TD throws. Not sure what happened in the 2nd half. (I only saw the highlights)

(11-05-2015 06:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 06:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  You guys understand they way they pick teams in the CFP poll right?

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/se...e-protocol

-Each committee member picks 30 teams who they think are the best.
-Teams listed by 3 or more members remain under consideration.
-Member will then list who they think is the six best teams in no particular order.
-The top 3 vote getters in the among all members best 6 are the top 3 seeds.
-Teams 4 though 9 then repeat the same process.

...The teams that are picked #1, #4, #7, #10, #13, #16, #19, #22 all were winners in their group section....

So, Alabama, Memphis, and Ole Miss weren't compared to each other at all during the grouping discussions.

It will be interesting to see how that might change if Memphis and Ole Miss keep winning and move up into a grouping where these schools are compared against each other.

Wrong.

1)
- 12 people listed 30 FBS teams that they thought were "the best 30 in the country, in no particular order".
-- that means for each of the 127 FBS teams, the maximum was 12 votes and the minimum was 0 votes
-- teams with 3 or more votes moved to the next round (don't know how many that was ... let's just say 45)

2)
- then of those 45, the 12 people listed the 6 teams that they thought were "the best 6 among those 45, in no particular order"
-- that means for each of the 45 teams, the maximum was 12 votes and the minimum was 0 votes
-- the top three teams with the most votes were ranked #1, #2 and #3
-- those three teams were then removed from the group of 45, leaving 42 teams

3)
- then of those 42, the 12 people listed the 6 teams that they thought were "the best 6 among those 42, in no particular order"
-- that means for each of the 42 teams, the maximum was 12 votes and the minimum was 0 votes
-- the top three teams with the most votes were ranked #4, #5 and #6
-- those three teams were then removed from the group of 42, leaving 39 teams

4, etc.)
repeat step 3 until you have a top 25 ranked



So long story short, in part 2 all of the top teams were considered against each other. Alabama didn't get enough votes be ranked as a top three in the first round. But when those top three were removed, in the second round they got the most votes.

(11-06-2015 10:32 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 06:57 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-05-2015 06:43 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  You guys understand they way they pick teams in the CFP poll right?

http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/se...e-protocol

-Each committee member picks 30 teams who they think are the best.
-Teams listed by 3 or more members remain under consideration.
-Member will then list who they think is the six best teams in no particular order.
-The top 3 vote getters in the among all members best 6 are the top 3 seeds.
-Teams 4 though 9 then repeat the same process.

...The teams that are picked #1, #4, #7, #10, #13, #16, #19, #22 all were winners in their group section....

So, Alabama, Memphis, and Ole Miss weren't compared to each other at all during the grouping discussions.

It will be interesting to see how that might change if Memphis and Ole Miss keep winning and move up into a grouping where these schools are compared against each other.

Wrong.

1)
- 12 people listed 30 FBS teams that they thought were "the best 30 in the country, in no particular order".
-- that means for each of the 127 FBS teams, the maximum was 12 votes and the minimum was 0 votes
-- teams with 3 or more votes moved to the next round (don't know how many that was ... let's just say 45)

2)
- then of those 45, the 12 people listed the 6 teams that they thought were "the best 6 among those 45, in no particular order"
-- that means for each of the 45 teams, the maximum was 12 votes and the minimum was 0 votes
-- the top three teams with the most votes were ranked #1, #2 and #3
-- those three teams were then removed from the group of 45, leaving 42 teams

3)
- then of those 42, the 12 people listed the 6 teams that they thought were "the best 6 among those 42, in no particular order"
-- that means for each of the 42 teams, the maximum was 12 votes and the minimum was 0 votes
-- the top three teams with the most votes were ranked #4, #5 and #6
-- those three teams were then removed from the group of 42, leaving 39 teams

4, etc.)
repeat step 3 until you have a top 25 ranked



So long story short, in part 2 all of the top teams were considered against each other. Alabama didn't get enough votes be ranked as a top three in the first round. But when those top three were removed, in the second round they got the most votes.

The Committee put themselves into a corner on this issue. Here is the nightmare outcome.

Alabama beats LSU and then Ole Miss. Beats LSU. Ole Miss. and Alabama wins all the rest of their games. That makes Ole Miss. SEC West champs to put them into the championship rematch game. If Ole Miss beats Florida? Ole Miss. becomes the SEC champ, but Alabama is already ranked too high to pass them. Putting a non-champ into the 4 team playoffs would cause an uproar. Especially with Memphis who beat the SEC champ.

Alabama is ranked way too high right now for what is good for the sport. Same with Notre Dame.