(11-02-2015 12:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Would you think Babcock hit up his last hire from Cincinnati Tommy Tuberville???

Is it wise to replace a 69 year old coach with a 61 year old coach?

(11-02-2015 02:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 12:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Would you think Babcock hit up his last hire from Cincinnati Tommy Tuberville???

Is it wise to replace a 69 year old coach with a 61 year old coach?

Sometimes it's smart to follow a legend with someone you know will only be there a few years. He becomes a de facto interim coach, giving the guy you eventually hope will be a long term success some distance from the legend.

When Gene Bartow was hired to replace John Wooden, boosters were never behind him and he left after only two seasons. Those weren't bad seasons - he only lost a total of 9 games and went to the Final Four one year and the Sweet Sixteen the next. But he wasn't John Wooden.

It depends on the Bud Foster situation. Tuberville may be more receptive to keeping Foster where some of these young bucks might not.

(11-02-2015 02:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 12:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Would you think Babcock hit up his last hire from Cincinnati Tommy Tuberville???

Is it wise to replace a 69 year old coach with a 61 year old coach?

^^^ THIS ^^^

I'm not even sure I'd want Rich Rod for the same reason (he's 52). I'd prefer a young guy like Fuente. Media is reporting that Kirby Smart wants the job, but I think VT needs an offensive head coach. Herman might not be a bad guy to take a chance on (yeah, I know he hasn't been a head coach long enough to prove anything). I don't want a Temple guy, so that Rhule's one out. Matt Campbell might work out... who knows?

(11-02-2015 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 02:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 12:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Would you think Babcock hit up his last hire from Cincinnati Tommy Tuberville???

Is it wise to replace a 69 year old coach with a 61 year old coach?

Sometimes it's smart to follow a legend with someone you know will only be there a few years. He becomes a de facto interim coach, giving the guy you eventually hope will be a long term success some distance from the legend.

When Gene Bartow was hired to replace John Wooden, boosters were never behind him and he left after only two seasons. Those weren't bad seasons - he only lost a total of 9 games and went to the Final Four one year and the Sweet Sixteen the next. But he wasn't John Wooden.

But part of VT's problem has been when younger coaches of regional schools get to recruits on the trail and say "Why would you go to VT when you don't know for sure when your coach is going to retire?"

Another part of VT's problem has been the fact that they have been pretty much "Meh" on offense since the Vick Brothers. So the answer is to replace an offensive dinosaur with someone who has never really been known for his offensive acumen.

If Beamer was having his late 90's/early 00's level of success then a caretaker coach like Tuberville would make more sense, like your Wooden/Bartow analogy, but at this point it's a rebuilding job in Blacksburg. You have to create an offensive identity and rebuild recruiting relationships that for whatever reason have become strained over the past few years. I don't think bringing in essentially the same kind of coach is going to accomplish anything other than what you have seen the past few years.

(11-02-2015 02:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 02:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 12:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Would you think Babcock hit up his last hire from Cincinnati Tommy Tuberville???

Is it wise to replace a 69 year old coach with a 61 year old coach?

Sometimes it's smart to follow a legend with someone you know will only be there a few years. He becomes a de facto interim coach, giving the guy you eventually hope will be a long term success some distance from the legend.

When Gene Bartow was hired to replace John Wooden, boosters were never behind him and he left after only two seasons. Those weren't bad seasons - he only lost a total of 9 games and went to the Final Four one year and the Sweet Sixteen the next. But he wasn't John Wooden.

But part of VT's problem has been when younger coaches of regional schools get to recruits on the trail and say "Why would you go to VT when you don't know for sure when your coach is going to retire?"

Another part of VT's problem has been the fact that they have been pretty much "Meh" on offense since the Vick Brothers. So the answer is to replace an offensive dinosaur with someone who has never really been known for his offensive acumen.

If Beamer was having his late 90's/early 00's level of success then a caretaker coach like Tuberville would make more sense, like your Wooden/Bartow analogy, but at this point it's a rebuilding job in Blacksburg. You have to create an offensive identity and rebuild recruiting relationships that for whatever reason have become strained over the past few years. I don't think bringing in essentially the same kind of coach is going to accomplish anything other than what you have seen the past few years.

To be honest, I was referring to a generic 61 year old, not Tuberville specifically. But what if that coach were someone like Butch Davis, for example? Isn't he about that age?

(11-02-2015 03:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 02:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 02:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 02:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 12:18 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Would you think Babcock hit up his last hire from Cincinnati Tommy Tuberville???

Is it wise to replace a 69 year old coach with a 61 year old coach?

Sometimes it's smart to follow a legend with someone you know will only be there a few years. He becomes a de facto interim coach, giving the guy you eventually hope will be a long term success some distance from the legend.

When Gene Bartow was hired to replace John Wooden, boosters were never behind him and he left after only two seasons. Those weren't bad seasons - he only lost a total of 9 games and went to the Final Four one year and the Sweet Sixteen the next. But he wasn't John Wooden.

But part of VT's problem has been when younger coaches of regional schools get to recruits on the trail and say "Why would you go to VT when you don't know for sure when your coach is going to retire?"

Another part of VT's problem has been the fact that they have been pretty much "Meh" on offense since the Vick Brothers. So the answer is to replace an offensive dinosaur with someone who has never really been known for his offensive acumen.

If Beamer was having his late 90's/early 00's level of success then a caretaker coach like Tuberville would make more sense, like your Wooden/Bartow analogy, but at this point it's a rebuilding job in Blacksburg. You have to create an offensive identity and rebuild recruiting relationships that for whatever reason have become strained over the past few years. I don't think bringing in essentially the same kind of coach is going to accomplish anything other than what you have seen the past few years.

To be honest, I was referring to a generic 61 year old, not Tuberville specifically. But what if that coach were someone like Butch Davis, for example? Isn't he about that age?

I think you run into the same problem because Davis has been a defensive coach except for the time he coached TE/WR for Oklahoma State......from 1979-1983.

Like I said, this isn't a continuity hire....this is a rebuild job, especially if Foster leaves as well. For VT to get back to where they were they need an infusion of talent, ideas, and especially energy. Just have a hard time seeing a coach on the tail end of his career bringing any of that to the table.

Speaking as a Cincinnati resident but not a Cincinnati Bearcats fan, I'd be surprised if Tuberville left UC for Virginia Tech. With his age and that his wife is from the Cincy metro area, I don't see him making that move.

In today's world, 10 years is a long tenure for a football coach, even a successful one. If I were making the hire, I would be looking for a proven coach that could bring most if not all of his staff with him. He would need to have a pretty good track record over a period of time so I think I'm looking in the 40-55 year range.

NO coach brings their entire staff. None.

My top 7 for VT would include Smart, Stoops, Fuente, Rhule, Herman, Foster and Venables. If you don't hire from that pool, you better nail it out of the park.

(11-01-2015 05:33 PM)cavman Wrote:  I truly admire the accomplishments of Coach Beamer. He is surely among the great ones in the game. Here is one UVa fan with hats off to a great man.
And here's hoping the Hokies never find a coach that good again.

Good for Beamer to get out while he still has his dignity. Unlike someone from Central Pennsylvania few years ago.

(11-04-2015 07:48 AM)7fielder Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 05:33 PM)cavman Wrote:  I truly admire the accomplishments of Coach Beamer. He is surely among the great ones in the game. Here is one UVa fan with hats off to a great man.
And here's hoping the Hokies never find a coach that good again.

Good for Beamer to get out while he still has his dignity. Unlike someone from Central Pennsylvania few years ago.

For the love of god, VT, don't hire some sexagenarian. Let Miami have Butch Davis, please. PLEASE!

VT Rich Rod
Miami Mark Richt
Syracuse Schiano

This would be great for the ACC.

(11-07-2015 11:55 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  VT Rich Rod
Miami Mark Richt
Syracuse Schiano

This would be great for the ACC.

I could see all of those happening (at least 10% chance or more)

what do gene chizik and frank beamer have in common

(11-18-2015 11:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  what do gene chizik and frank beamer have in common

Neither one would ever take a huge step down to coach at Memphis? A lot of coaches have that in common.

(11-07-2015 03:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 11:55 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  VT Rich Rod
Miami Mark Richt
Syracuse Schiano

This would be great for the ACC.

I could see all of those happening (at least 10% chance or more)

Forget Schiano. I don't want him at SU. Let some other ACC school take him. SU needs to take the route that OSU took when they wanted to get back to respectability. That is finding a proven hotshot FCS coach.

(11-19-2015 09:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 03:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 11:55 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  VT Rich Rod
Miami Mark Richt
Syracuse Schiano

This would be great for the ACC.

I could see all of those happening (at least 10% chance or more)

Forget Schiano. I don't want him at SU. Let some other ACC school take him. SU needs to take the route that OSU took when they wanted to get back to respectability. That is finding a proven hotshot FCS coach.

I'd do Greasy Greg for 4-5 years. If nothing else, he can recruit. Once we have really good talent (or at least good talent) we can bring in a fHCDM-type guy who is good at developing talent and X's and O's. IMHO, that's the best route. It probably prolongs our struggle for another 2-3 years, but at the end of they day, we would have a talented gameday/practice coach and a talented roster. That situation builds on itself because it is a recruiting catalyst that compensates for the coach's recruiting deficiencies.

Syracuse needs Jeff Brohm. He played for Schnellenberger, a Bear Bryant disciple. He coached under Smith and Petrino, both Lavell Edwards disciples. His offense in the Dome would be amazing. I have seen his name in connection with Maryland and Illinois, where he was an assistant.

The guy is all about winning. This is a video of him as a QB in the XFL.
CJ

https://youtu.be/VTJkFi06LFk