"The interviews with immigrants by federal agents were intended to help the Obama administration understand what might be driving a puzzling surge in the numbers of border crossings that started over the summer."

That they needed help understanding why the flood is coming speaks volumes to their competency to govern. Only a fool would not understand that a major driver is the perception of benefits and sanctuary cities.

(11-02-2015 12:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  "The interviews with immigrants by federal agents were intended to help the Obama administration understand what might be driving a puzzling surge in the numbers of border crossings that started over the summer."

That they needed help understanding why the flood is coming speaks volumes to their competency to govern. Only a fool would not understand that a major driver is the perception of benefits and sanctuary cities.

The perception of benefits and sanctuary cities has existed for decades. That isn't the reason they are coming I assure you.

(11-02-2015 12:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 12:43 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  "The interviews with immigrants by federal agents were intended to help the Obama administration understand what might be driving a puzzling surge in the numbers of border crossings that started over the summer."

That they needed help understanding why the flood is coming speaks volumes to their competency to govern. Only a fool would not understand that a major driver is the perception of benefits and sanctuary cities.

The perception of benefits and sanctuary cities has existed for decades. That isn't the reason they are coming I assure you.

Like I mentioned before, there is a reason they believe what they believe.

The US has a policy that requires children from Central America to be released into the U.S. rather than quickly returned to their home countries. Once released, those children usually fail to appear for deportation proceedings.

(11-02-2015 10:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Is it the responsibility of the U.S. to provide stability to these countries? And btw, very few of the people down there share the same principles as our founding fathers - unless most Central and South Americans are deists and believe in the philosophical thought of the Age of Enlightenment.

Obviously not. But I don't see anything wrong with asking the question, since that instability is why so many folks choose to migrate north. I get the impression that even if the cartels were removed that the same problem would bubble back to the surface.

(11-02-2015 10:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  The only way we could bring stability to Mexico and Central America is to stage the 1AD, 1ID, 1CD, 3ID at Ft Bliss and the IMEF, IIIMEF, and 4ID at Camp Pendleton and start the two prong sweep there only stopping when we read the Panama/Colombia border. Then treat the entire region like we treated the Philippines from 1899-1946 by treating them much like you raise a child in that they earn liberties as you show you have learned responsibility.

A military solution is one option. I don't think it would be long lasting as there just doesn't seem to be a general appreciation for the Rule of Law.

(11-02-2015 01:17 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 10:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  The only way we could bring stability to Mexico and Central America is to stage the 1AD, 1ID, 1CD, 3ID at Ft Bliss and the IMEF, IIIMEF, and 4ID at Camp Pendleton and start the two prong sweep there only stopping when we read the Panama/Colombia border. Then treat the entire region like we treated the Philippines from 1899-1946 by treating them much like you raise a child in that they earn liberties as you show you have learned responsibility.

A military solution is one option. I don't think it would be long lasting as there just doesn't seem to be a general appreciation for the Rule of Law.

That's why I said we would have to treat them like we did the Philippines after the Spanish-American War and essentially treat them like children for close to 50 years until they as a society "grew up".

Other than that I can't see any other way that you can bring stability to Central America and/or Mexico. Too much corruption, too much ignorance and nowhere near enough social structure.

Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

Fine, they should apply for asylum, you know, the legal way.

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

So when are you going to open up your home to shelter them?

(11-02-2015 03:37 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

Fine, they should apply for asylum, you know, the legal way.

I don't disagree.

If only we had a comprehensive reformed immigration plan to better deal with it.

(11-02-2015 03:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

So when are you going to open up your home to shelter them?

I fail to see what this has to do with this thread or the discussion. And I seriously doubt you want to apply this standard to other hot button issues like abortion, etc. So probably just best to focus on the topics and not the posters here, deal?

(11-02-2015 03:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:37 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

Fine, they should apply for asylum, you know, the legal way.

I don't disagree.

If only we had a comprehensive reformed immigration plan to better deal with it.

.......and as many have said - you have to secure the border before ANY immigration plan has a chance to work. You can't just let every one in that shows up and just make'em all citizens pronto.

Face it, for you and those you carry water for, they are viewed as votes for your party - that's the overriding concern. We can figure out how to pay for it all later, right?

(11-02-2015 03:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:37 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

Fine, they should apply for asylum, you know, the legal way.

I don't disagree.

If only we had a comprehensive reformed immigration plan to better deal with it.

We have the plan, etc.., just not the manpower to adequately handle the situation.

(11-02-2015 04:00 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:37 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

Fine, they should apply for asylum, you know, the legal way.

I don't disagree.

If only we had a comprehensive reformed immigration plan to better deal with it.

.......and as many have said - you have to secure the border before ANY immigration plan has a chance to work. You can't just let every one in that shows up and just make'em all citizens pronto.

Face it, for you and those you carry water for, they are viewed as votes for your party - that's the overriding concern. We can figure out how to pay for it all later, right?

1. The border is secure...mostly.
2. Net immigration has slowed to basically zero.
3. We don't just let everyone in.
4. I'm beholden to no party. I don't vote only Democrat. And illegal immigrants aren't allowed to vote anyway!

(11-02-2015 04:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 04:00 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:52 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 03:37 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-02-2015 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...they're constantly taken advantage of by coyotes lying to them and robbing them blind...just because they want a better life for their families. It's quite sad.

Fine, they should apply for asylum, you know, the legal way.

I don't disagree.

If only we had a comprehensive reformed immigration plan to better deal with it.

.......and as many have said - you have to secure the border before ANY immigration plan has a chance to work. You can't just let every one in that shows up and just make'em all citizens pronto.

Face it, for you and those you carry water for, they are viewed as votes for your party - that's the overriding concern. We can figure out how to pay for it all later, right?

1. The border is secure...mostly.
2. Net immigration has slowed to basically zero.
3. We don't just let everyone in.
4. I'm beholden to no party. I don't vote only Democrat. And illegal immigrants aren't allowed to vote anyway!

1. No it's not
2. Even if the rate has fallen - we're still talking about a ton of illegals entering.
Nice way to try and pretend illegals aren't still entering.
3. No, but far, far too many are still coming without first applying and being
allowed in.
4. You're one of the biggest Democratic water carriers I've seen on here. Your
proclaiming you're not belies your other postings. And I have not one doubt that
non-citizens do in fact vote. Likely not in huge numbers, but I'm betting some
do in fact vote.