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A couple of questions here

What question was inappropriate during the CNBC debate? I didn't see the whole thing, so what particular question(s) were a problem?

So now, the GOP has kicked NBC to the curb...how are they going to communicate with Latino voters? Apparently, Univision was tossed for asking tough questions. Now NBC/Telemundo is kicked out. How is the GOP going to communicate with Latino voters in the general?

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Either way, I'm fully supportive of the GOP not vetting their candidates until they get into the general election.
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(10-30-2015 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How is the GOP going to communicate with Latino voters in the general?

Pretty simple really.

The GOP features the only candidates that actually speak the language fluently and the only ones who aren't white (privileged and racist).
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(10-30-2015 02:09 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How is the GOP going to communicate with Latino voters in the general?

Pretty simple really.

The GOP features the only candidates that actually speak the language fluently and the only ones who aren't white (privileged and racist).

Those damn shitlords!!! 03-pissed You don't know how f'ing triggered this makes me!!! 03-pissed
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(10-30-2015 02:11 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 02:09 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How is the GOP going to communicate with Latino voters in the general?

Pretty simple really.

The GOP features the only candidates that actually speak the language fluently and the only ones who aren't white (privileged and racist).

Those damn shitlords!!! 03-pissed You don't know how f'ing triggered this makes me!!! 03-pissed

Oh I do know.

I can't watch the Democratic debates because of the fact that they're exclusively comprised of hateful, oppressive, privileged white shitlords. It made me so triggered that I developed severe PTSD.
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(10-30-2015 02:09 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(10-30-2015 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  How is the GOP going to communicate with Latino voters in the general?

Pretty simple really.

The GOP features the only candidates that actually speak the language fluently and the only ones who aren't white (privileged and racist).

Ok.. Lets see how that works out for you. You guys can put up a Batistiano Cuban who automatically has the right to stay and has a path to citizenship to tell the 98% of American Latinos who aren't Batista Cubans about how to be.

And Hillary will put Julian Castro on her ticket.

Besides, after the tea party gets through pushing Rubio to the right on immigration...he's going to sound like Trump.

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Any question asked by CNBC that was inappropriate?
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You asked how they would communicate.

I said quite easily, because three of them speak the language fluently as compared to zero of the shitlord xenophobic Democrats.

Of course she's going to put Castro on the ticket. Just because she's an awful human being doesn't mean she's an idiot. I've already said that that ticket is unbeatable.
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Tom, I noticed the Feb. 26th debate in question that NBC was banned from is in Houston. Are you planning on attending if possible?
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(10-30-2015 02:28 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Tom, I noticed the Feb. 26th debate in question that NBC was banned from is in Houston. Are you planning on attending if possible?

UH has just confirmed that there will NOT be a debate in Houston for the GOP.

I have no intention of attending a GOP debate in Houston.
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How would they communicate? Well I do speak English...
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Seriously guys....any inappropriate question asked at this weeks' debate?
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I'd like to know as well. I thought most questions were policy-based and many of those that weren't like "What's your biggest weakness in your eyes?" are questions that speak to the soul of the candidates. If it's a question you can be asked at a job interview, it's appropriate for a debate for presidential candidates - who should hold themselves to a higher standard of professionalism than anyone else in this country.
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I think the biggest issue the GOP had was with the tone of the questions and how they did not allow people to answer questions. Several times the moderators made back handed remarks when the candidate answered their question. Examples:

HARWOOD: Send 11 million people out of the country. Cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.
TRUMP: Right.
HARWOOD: And make Americans better off because your greatness would replace the stupidity and incompetence of others.
TRUMP: That’s right.
HARWOOD: Let’s be honest.
(LAUGHTER)
Is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign?

HARWOOD: We’re at 60 seconds, but I gotta ask you, you talked about your tax plan. You say that it would not increase the deficit because you cut taxes $10 trillion in the economy would take off like…
(CROSSTALK)
HARWOOD: Hold on, hold on. The economy would take off like a rocket ship.
TRUMP: Right. Dynamically.
HARWOOD: I talked to economic advisers who have served presidents of both parties. They said that you have as chance of cutting taxes that much without increasing the deficit as you would of flying away from that podium by flapping your arms.
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(10-30-2015 02:40 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think the biggest issue the GOP had was with the tone of the questions and how they did not allow people to answer questions. Several times the moderators made back handed remarks when the candidate answered their question. Examples:

HARWOOD: Send 11 million people out of the country. Cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit.
TRUMP: Right.
HARWOOD: And make Americans better off because your greatness would replace the stupidity and incompetence of others.
TRUMP: That’s right.
HARWOOD: Let’s be honest.
(LAUGHTER)
Is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign?

HARWOOD: We’re at 60 seconds, but I gotta ask you, you talked about your tax plan. You say that it would not increase the deficit because you cut taxes $10 trillion in the economy would take off like…
(CROSSTALK)
HARWOOD: Hold on, hold on. The economy would take off like a rocket ship.
TRUMP: Right. Dynamically.
HARWOOD: I talked to economic advisers who have served presidents of both parties. They said that you have as chance of cutting taxes that much without increasing the deficit as you would of flying away from that podium by flapping your arms.

Those are legitimate concerns that people have. A question about Trump calling people stupid and saying he's much smarter than everyone is going to arise sooner or later. And speaking to economic advisers of both parties who have a consensus that such tax plans are - at least - unfeasible...

These are issues that the GOP needs to address and fix now, otherwise they will be absolutely annihilated in the generals. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing that - but it's clear that was the intent of the CNBC debate, to get the discussion on the problems that majority of Americans have with GOP candidates and positions. How can you honestly say you will win the election if you refuse to tackle the criticisms of your own politics?
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1st Question - To all candidates - "Your greatest weakness is?"
---Not necessarily a bad question, just a useless question. Nothing to do with policy.
2nd Question - To Trump - "Is your campaign like a comic book campaign?"
---Insulting and snide question. Not a policy question
3rd Question - To Carson - "Your tax plan doesn't add up..." The moderator kept trying to argue with him about his Math and wouldn't let him explain
4th Question - To Kasich - "You had something to say about 2 other candidates. Would you repeat it?" "You said someone was crazy, who were you talking about?" - Basically an attempt to get him to attack the others, which worked....Trump and Kasich went at it and then Kasich and Carson went at it. Cruz and Fiorina jumped in too about their tax plans. Then there was a snarky attack on Fiorina's idea of a 3 page tax code. Was an embarrassment for the moderator.
5th Question - To Rubio - "Why not slow down and get other things accomplished first before running for President?" "Do you hate your job? (repeated twice) Moderator jumped in a couple times to argue with him when he tried to answer it....a pattern repeated numerous times throughout the debate.
6th Question - To Bush - "Your stock has fallen in this race based on your poll numbers. Why are you having difficulty?" "Republican is a party of know-nothingism, is that why you're having difficulty in this race?"
7th Question - To Fiorina - "HP Stocks tanked since you took over at HP, your board fired you, why should we hire you?"
8th Question - To Cruz - "You're maybe not the kind of problem solver we need.." Cruz then attacks CNBC moderators and liberal press for the snarkiness, bias, doublestandard, and lack of policy questions so far in the debate.

More snarkiness as each tried to answer. The repeated interruptions of the candidates during their time to answer questions continued throughout the debate....by the moderators. Usually the moderators were combative and snarky. It was painful to watch.

There's a huge difference between tough questions about positions and policy and the crap that occurred during the debate. There were good moments by the moderators and some good questions during the debate but that was greatly overshadowed by the unprofessional behavior of the moderators.
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(10-30-2015 02:44 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  1st Question - To all candidates - "Your greatest weakness is?"
---Not necessarily a bad question, just a useless question. Nothing to do with policy.
2nd Question - To Trump - "Is your campaign like a comic book campaign?"
---Insulting and snide question. Not a policy question
3rd Question - To Carson - "Your tax plan doesn't add up..." The moderator kept trying to argue with him about his Math and wouldn't let him explain
4th Question - To Kasich - "You had something to say about 2 other candidates. Would you repeat it?" "You said someone was crazy, who were you talking about?" - Basically an attempt to get him to attack the others, which worked....Trump and Kasich went at it and then Kasich and Carson went at it. Cruz and Fiorina jumped in too about their tax plans. Then there was a snarky attack on Fiorina's idea of a 3 page tax code. Was an embarrassment for the moderator.
5th Question - To Rubio - "Why not slow down and get other things accomplished first before running for President?" "Do you hate your job? (repeated twice) Moderator jumped in a couple times to argue with him when he tried to answer it....a pattern repeated numerous times throughout the debate.
6th Question - To Bush - "Your stock has fallen in this race based on your poll numbers. Why are you having difficulty?" "Republican is a party of know-nothingism, is that why you're having difficulty in this race?"
7th Question - To Fiorina - "HP Stocks tanked since you took over at HP, your board fired you, why should we hire you?"
8th Question - To Cruz - "You're maybe not the kind of problem solver we need.." Cruz then attacks CNBC moderators and liberal press for the snarkiness, bias, doublestandard, and lack of policy questions so far in the debate.

More snarkiness as each tried to answer. The repeated interruptions of the candidates during their time to answer questions continued throughout the debate....by the moderators. Usually the moderators were combative and snarky. It was painful to watch.

There's a huge difference between tough questions about positions and policy and the crap that occurred during the debate. There were good moments by the moderators and some good questions during the debate but that was greatly overshadowed by the unprofessional behavior of the moderators.

Exactly, that is exactly what I meant when I said the issue was the tone of the questions and not letting people speak. Thanks for recapping all those questions.

Cruz brought up a good point in saying that you never here the Democrats receiving this kind of treatment in debates. Can you imagine the backlash if a question directed to Hillary Clinton framed the statement "maybe you are not the kind of problem solver we need?"
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I would just recommend everyone think about these debates from a non-partisan perspective. I realize it is hard to do (I admit I find the same thing on Dem side, to an extent) but it's important. These questions that are being asked will not just go away because the candidates or the party doesn't want to see them addressed. I'll just pick out a couple from the debate...

1. Fiorina's record as HP head. When you're running for president, your past resume is what people use to judge how good of a leader you can be. Her CEO-ship at HP was marred with difficulties and many voters have concerns about her leadership potential. I personally thought when she answered about the tough times in the tech market that was a strong answer and a point in her camp. This is an example of a relevant question about past work and how it impacts the candidate's candidacy - and she answered well.

2. Cruz's opposition to budgetary deal. When asked about his propensity for stalling out the Congressional proceedings on budget and raising the debt ceiling, the implication was not difficult to see for the average American voter - if you are president, why should we trust that you won't hold our country hostage to make political gains? Being President is not about shutting down our government when you don't get what you want - it's about making compromise, and some have accused Cruz of not being able or willing to compromise in a way that is needed as the top "compromiser in chief". Attacking the question discredits him further, IMO.

I believe it is important to ask such tough questions to people on both sides of the aisle. For example, questioning Hillary on her understanding of foreign policy is a reasonable way to go after the Benghazi attack. Give her a chance to answer, and it will be answered. The tough questions just don't get answered by GOP candidates. That will be their downfall once again.
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(10-30-2015 02:49 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  I would just recommend everyone think about these debates from a non-partisan perspective. I realize it is hard to do (I admit I find the same thing on Dem side, to an extent) but it's important. These questions that are being asked will not just go away because the candidates or the party doesn't want to see them addressed. I'll just pick out a couple from the debate...

1. Fiorina's record as HP head. When you're running for president, your past resume is what people use to judge how good of a leader you can be. Her CEO-ship at HP was marred with difficulties and many voters have concerns about her leadership potential. I personally thought when she answered about the tough times in the tech market that was a strong answer and a point in her camp. This is an example of a relevant question about past work and how it impacts the candidate's candidacy - and she answered well.

2. Cruz's opposition to budgetary deal. When asked about his propensity for stalling out the Congressional proceedings on budget and raising the debt ceiling, the implication was not difficult to see for the average American voter - if you are president, why should we trust that you won't hold our country hostage to make political gains? Being President is not about shutting down our government when you don't get what you want - it's about making compromise, and some have accused Cruz of not being able or willing to compromise in a way that is needed as the top "compromiser in chief". Attacking the question discredits him further, IMO.

I believe it is important to ask such tough questions to people on both sides of the aisle. For example, questioning Hillary on her understanding of foreign policy is a reasonable way to go after the Benghazi attack. Give her a chance to answer, and it will be answered. The tough questions just don't get answered by GOP candidates. That will be their downfall once again.

I agree, those are legitimate questions and the other debates also asked similar questions and the American people want the answers to them. The CNBC debate wasn't entirely about the questions asked but how they were asked and how the candidates were interrupted, argued with, and berated by the moderators. That's for the candidates to do, not the moderators.
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(10-30-2015 02:53 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I agree, those are legitimate questions and the other debates also asked similar questions and the American people want the answers to them. The CNBC debate wasn't entirely about the questions asked but how they were asked and how the candidates were interrupted, argued with, and berated by the moderators. That's for the candidates to do, not the moderators.

The problem, I think, is when the candidates just don't answer the questions. The moderators really fought back intensely about them not answering directly, which clearly had a big backlash, though I thought the mods did try to get them to talk about the questions they were asked (not about how 'unfair' the questions may have been). I thought Fiorina was good at staying on topic, as was Carson and Huckabee (off the top of my head) for the most part, but it seems to be a recurring theme for many of the candidates to go talk about something completely different than what they were asked. Both parties do this, let's not kid ourselves, but the GOP just has so many candidates I think it becomes increasingly frustrating for everyone involved to see such a back and forth without real answers. I wanted to hear more about the math behind the tax plans that just doesn't seem to add up to me, but cut-offs by moderators and evasive answers by the candidates didn't let that happen.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/go...tes-215371

Sounds like the candidates don't want the RNC to handle their business either. They are trying to overthrow the Prince.
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(10-30-2015 02:44 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  1st Question - To all candidates - "Your greatest weakness is?"
---Not necessarily a bad question, just a useless question. Nothing to do with policy.
2nd Question - To Trump - "Is your campaign like a comic book campaign?"
---Insulting and snide question. Not a policy question
3rd Question - To Carson - "Your tax plan doesn't add up..." The moderator kept trying to argue with him about his Math and wouldn't let him explain
4th Question - To Kasich - "You had something to say about 2 other candidates. Would you repeat it?" "You said someone was crazy, who were you talking about?" - Basically an attempt to get him to attack the others, which worked....Trump and Kasich went at it and then Kasich and Carson went at it. Cruz and Fiorina jumped in too about their tax plans. Then there was a snarky attack on Fiorina's idea of a 3 page tax code. Was an embarrassment for the moderator.
5th Question - To Rubio - "Why not slow down and get other things accomplished first before running for President?" "Do you hate your job? (repeated twice) Moderator jumped in a couple times to argue with him when he tried to answer it....a pattern repeated numerous times throughout the debate.
6th Question - To Bush - "Your stock has fallen in this race based on your poll numbers. Why are you having difficulty?" "Republican is a party of know-nothingism, is that why you're having difficulty in this race?"
7th Question - To Fiorina - "HP Stocks tanked since you took over at HP, your board fired you, why should we hire you?"
8th Question - To Cruz - "You're maybe not the kind of problem solver we need.." Cruz then attacks CNBC moderators and liberal press for the snarkiness, bias, doublestandard, and lack of policy questions so far in the debate.

More snarkiness as each tried to answer. The repeated interruptions of the candidates during their time to answer questions continued throughout the debate....by the moderators. Usually the moderators were combative and snarky. It was painful to watch.

There's a huge difference between tough questions about positions and policy and the crap that occurred during the debate. There were good moments by the moderators and some good questions during the debate but that was greatly overshadowed by the unprofessional behavior of the moderators.

Did any question get answered during the debate.

Seems to me that, for the second straight cycle, in any non-Fox debate, the candidates can avoid answering any question by simply attacking the media...b/c the GOP crowd will simply allow them to do so.

Fiorina was a train wreck at HP. And her tenure there is the basis for her campaign. Question was fair. If she moves on, that question will be asked again. And I wouldn't have been as nice as the moderator. "How could you pay yourself 100 million bucks while the shareholders lost billions and 30000 employees lost their jobs?"

Question to Bush was a hard one, but related to nativism. Completely fair. Question about viability is also fair. Hillary was asked in a debate 'why are you unlikeable' for crying out loud. HRC could handle it. Bush couldn't.

Rubio is AWOL from his job. Its totally fair. The moderators were trying to get an answer as he was trying to blame others as some sort of ridiculous excuse for his absences. Neither John McCain nor Jeb Bush are responsible for Rubio missing all those votes.

Trump called Fiorina an ugly old lady, Latinos rapists, a FOX reporter much worse, and everyone who criticizes him a loser, etc. Maybe comic book was snarky. But he's going to have to convince people that his candidacy is credible.

Kasich's question was completely legitimate. He said some very strong comments, publicly this week about the other candidates. Of course he's going to be asked about it.

BTW, I don't think Carson is a real candidate for President. But his money grubbing and pill pushing is going to kill him. Those charges are real.

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Basically, every candidate has been told.. 'don't answer any questions. Just attack the media because that's what the GOP wants to hear'

Don't whine when you end up with another Sarah Palin as the candidate.
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