After access bowl selections, AAC #1 should bowl with Notre Dame/B12/BYU.

9 year deal, highest paying non-NY6 bowl.

Call it the Paradise Bowl. Hosted in a fun location, with lots of entertainment options, game played on a Wed or Thurs nite during Xmas week.

Bowl gets 1st pick after NY6 bowls, whoever they want, regardless of ranking.

AAC gets $45M spread over 9 years, average of $5M / year.

6x vs ND/B12 for $5M per appearance.
B12 minimum 3 appearances and always fills in if ND is in NY6 bowl. (Targeting ND, Texas, Oklahoma, WV).

3x vs BYU for $2M per appearance.

This agreement should out-pay all other Non-NY6 bowls, highest currently being Citrus ~ $4.25M

Other top non-NY6 payouts;

B12 gets $3.8M from Alamo
BYU gets $1.3M from LV bowl if invited
Notre Dame gets $3M-ish ?? from ACC bowl.

Nobody is going to pay the AAC anywhere near $5m for even their #1 team, much less their #2, which is what this bowl will get during the years the AAC champ gets the G5 Access spot.

Personally I wish the AAC would do something with BYU like the ACC/ND deal. Have them a part of the bowl pool and playing 4 to 5 AAC teams a year, but if not that the AAC should try to get a bowl game against BYU as often as possible.

Location very important for this, place with need lots of non-sports entertainment, shows, golf, family stuff, night life. stimulating tourism during a typically low season.

Myrtle Beach area meets this criteria. Coastal Carolina has a soon-to-be 20k stadium. Can be expanded to 40-50k.

Navy v BYU
Temple v Texas
Notre Dame v Houston
Cincy v WV
Oklahoma v Memphis

Any of those match ups would draw eyeballs to TVs and fans/tourists to the beach.

AAC can allow BYU to substitute for their #2 in any year that #1 is in a NY6 bowl.

(10-30-2015 02:41 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  Location very important for this, place with need lots of non-sports entertainment, shows, golf, family stuff, night life. stimulating tourism during a typically low season.

Myrtle Beach area meets this criteria. Coastal Carolina has a soon-to-be 20k stadium. Can be expanded to 40-50k.

Navy v BYU
Temple v Texas
Notre Dame v Houston
Cincy v WV
Oklahoma v Memphis

Any of those match ups would draw eyeballs to TVs and fans/tourists to the beach.

AAC can allow BYU to substitute for their #2 in any year that #1 is in a NY6 bowl.

You left out the one AAC school that would draw the most fans to this game: ECU

(10-30-2015 02:48 PM)HerdinNY Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 02:41 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  Location very important for this, place with need lots of non-sports entertainment, shows, golf, family stuff, night life. stimulating tourism during a typically low season.

Myrtle Beach area meets this criteria. Coastal Carolina has a soon-to-be 20k stadium. Can be expanded to 40-50k.

Navy v BYU
Temple v Texas
Notre Dame v Houston
Cincy v WV
Oklahoma v Memphis

Any of those match ups would draw eyeballs to TVs and fans/tourists to the beach.

AAC can allow BYU to substitute for their #2 in any year that #1 is in a NY6 bowl.

You left out the one AAC school that would draw the most fans to this game: ECU

Yep, 2-3 hr drive for ECU. They'd be a boon for local economy.

Not a bad idea. BYU might be in, but not sure about ND/B12. If it included ND, it would have to include ACC, probably.

Just don't know if ACC/ND would want to be in this arrangement.

AAC already owns Miami Beach Bowl, so there is your location. I personally think the AAC will be able to get a lot better opponent there next cycle. AAC put that bowl together without the success it has now.

(10-30-2015 03:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Not a bad idea. BYU might be in, but not sure about ND/B12. If it included ND, it would have to include ACC, probably.

Just don't know if ACC/ND would want to be in this arrangement.

I imagine they would be willing to send about their #6 or #7 team in the bowl lineup to that arrangement.

If the AAC manages to remain together and no one bails out this will be a good thing for college football.

I emailed the idea to Aresco's address, asking for his careful consideration. Gotta strike while the iron's hot, and AAC is hot now.
I'll let you know when he replies and accepts. Then I'll ask for a purple or green bowl blazer

The best we can do is upgrade the Miami Bowl payout enough to get it included in the same bowl pool with the Liberty, Texas, Belk, Outback, Gator, and Music City Bowls. Those bowls get a #3-5 picks from the Big-10, SEC, ACC, and Big-12. You'd probably need a 2.5 to 3.5 million dollar payout for the P5 team. I don't care if the AAC team gets less (say 1.5 million). The key is to have at least one high quality bowl game for the champ if the AAC champ doesn't get the G5 access bowl. The P5 conferences would get another solid bowl payout, and because it would rotate through the P5 conferences, nobody would be committing to playing the AAC champ every year. It would be similar to the old rotating slot the Big East had in the BCS, but at a lower level.

(10-30-2015 04:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The best we can do is upgrade the Miami Bowl payout enough to get it included in the same bowl pool with the Liberty, Texas, Belk, Outback, Gator, and Music City Bowls. Those bowls get a #3-5 picks from the Big-10, SEC, ACC, and Big-12. You'd probably need a 2.5 to 3.5 million dollar payout for the P5 team. I don't care if the AAC team gets less (say 1.5 million). The key is to have at least one high quality bowl game for the champ if the AAC champ doesn't get the G5 access bowl. The P5 conferences would get another solid bowl payout, and because it would rotate through the P5 conferences, nobody would be committing to playing the AAC champ every year. It would be similar to the old rotating slot the Big East had in the BCS, but at a lower level.

Yes, this would be similar to the Champs Sports/Gator/Sun Bowl tie-in the Big East had at various points. A decent bowl game for the #2 team to go to matched against a quality opponent from the Big 12 or ACC.

Not sure where we'd come up with the $3 million for the opponent, though.

(10-30-2015 04:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 04:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The best we can do is upgrade the Miami Bowl payout enough to get it included in the same bowl pool with the Liberty, Texas, Belk, Outback, Gator, and Music City Bowls. Those bowls get a #3-5 picks from the Big-10, SEC, ACC, and Big-12. You'd probably need a 2.5 to 3.5 million dollar payout for the P5 team. I don't care if the AAC team gets less (say 1.5 million). The key is to have at least one high quality bowl game for the champ if the AAC champ doesn't get the G5 access bowl. The P5 conferences would get another solid bowl payout, and because it would rotate through the P5 conferences, nobody would be committing to playing the AAC champ every year. It would be similar to the old rotating slot the Big East had in the BCS, but at a lower level.

Yes, this would be similar to the Champs Sports/Gator/Sun Bowl tie-in the Big East had at various points. A decent bowl game for the #2 team to go to matched against a quality opponent from the Big 12 or ACC.

Not sure where we'd come up with the $3 million for the opponent, though.

Ive proposed we build a "bowl upgrade" pool of money from money we cant count on anyway. About 19 million is divided on the basis of performance by the G5. The poorest performing G5 gets 1/15th of the 19 million and the best performing G5 gets 5/15ths. If we just pretend we came in last every year, the other 1/15th to 4/15ths can be diverted to the fund. Over the 5 years between now and the next bowl cycle, if we just averaged a second place finish every year, the fund would be worth almost 19 million dollars. My guess is, with a P5 opponent, the bowls revenue from naming rights, ticket sales, and TV rights would be higher. So, at worst, the fund would be more than enough to offset the difference if the bowl failed to quite break even. Personally, my feeling is that there is little reason to think this bowl would be a money loser when so many other similar bowls make money. But if it DID lose money, the fund would keep it solvent.

(10-30-2015 02:17 PM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Personally I wish the AAC would do something with BYU like the ACC/ND deal. Have them a part of the bowl pool and playing 4 to 5 AAC teams a year, but if not that the AAC should try to get a bowl game against BYU as often as possible.

Good thinking.

AAC starts by setting up a partial schedule for BYU to add beef to its non-conference schedule.

AAC then contacts the Liberty/Sun Bowls and offers to place its #1 or BYU in those bowl games. BYU would then go to the Liberty or Sun depending on if they are eligible with the other one hosting the AAC #1 or #2.

(10-30-2015 01:59 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  After access bowl selections, AAC #1 should bowl with Notre Dame/B12/BYU.

9 year deal, highest paying non-NY6 bowl.

Call it the Paradise Bowl. Hosted in a fun location, with lots of entertainment options, game played on a Wed or Thurs nite during Xmas week.

Bowl gets 1st pick after NY6 bowls, whoever they want, regardless of ranking.

AAC gets $45M spread over 9 years, average of $5M / year.

6x vs ND/B12 for $5M per appearance.
B12 minimum 3 appearances and always fills in if ND is in NY6 bowl. (Targeting ND, Texas, Oklahoma, WV).

3x vs BYU for $2M per appearance.

This agreement should out-pay all other Non-NY6 bowls, highest currently being Citrus ~ $4.25M

Other top non-NY6 payouts;

B12 gets $3.8M from Alamo
BYU gets $1.3M from LV bowl if invited
Notre Dame gets $3M-ish ?? from ACC bowl.

Also add a basketball double header to the bowl festivities. Teams don't need to be from same universities as the football teams. Let TV decide matchups.

Year 1: UCONN, Oklahoma, BYU, Coastal Carolina
Year 2: Memphis, Texas, ND, Coastal Carolina
Year 3: Cincinnati, WV, Navy, Coastal Carolina

Interesting idea, and could work, but not as well as you're suggesting, I think.

Problems: Notre Dame can take an ACC bowl bid if they don't make the playoff. The XII already has 7 bowls plus the playoff. Neither have any reason to pass up matches against other P5 opponents. There's almost a 50% chance that the AAC champ is in the New Years 6 -- so they might even be playing the runner-up.

Make a bowl and get BYU and the MWC #1/2 involved (whoever has the better ranking). There will almost always be a ranked match-up with AAC #1/2. A $2 mil pay out would make it the best bowl for both the AAC and MWC, so there's real incentive.

(10-30-2015 06:32 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Interesting idea, and could work, but not as well as you're suggesting, I think.

Problems: Notre Dame can take an ACC bowl bid if they don't make the playoff. The XII already has 7 bowls plus the playoff. Neither have any reason to pass up matches against other P5 opponents. There's almost a 50% chance that the AAC champ is in the New Years 6 -- so they might even be playing the runner-up.

Make a bowl and get BYU and the MWC #1/2 involved (whoever has the better ranking). There will almost always be a ranked match-up with AAC #1/2. A $2 mil pay out would make it the best bowl for both the AAC and MWC, so there's real incentive.

Have 3 teams eligible for this bowl game: The AAC champ, the MWC champ, and BYU. The AAC champ plays the MWC champ if neither one is chosen for the access bowl spot. If one of them is chosen for the access bowl spot, then the other plays BYU.

(10-30-2015 06:32 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Interesting idea, and could work, but not as well as you're suggesting, I think.

Problems: Notre Dame can take an ACC bowl bid if they don't make the playoff. The XII already has 7 bowls plus the playoff. Neither have any reason to pass up matches against other P5 opponents.

That's the reason to make this the highest pay day among non-NY6 bowls, so ND/B12 are slotted into this bowl ahead of all other non-NY6 bowls.

(10-30-2015 10:21 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 06:32 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Interesting idea, and could work, but not as well as you're suggesting, I think.

Problems: Notre Dame can take an ACC bowl bid if they don't make the playoff. The XII already has 7 bowls plus the playoff. Neither have any reason to pass up matches against other P5 opponents.

That's the reason to make this the highest pay day among non-NY6 bowls, so ND/B12 are slotted into this bowl ahead of all other non-NY6 bowls.

The Big 12 has a great deal right now. Big 12 #2 against Pac-12 #2 in the Alamo Bowl. Big 12 #3 against ACC #2 in the Russell Athletic Bowl.

The Big 12 isn't going to give up their games against the top remaining Pac-12/ACC teams to play against the AAC. Never going to happen, even for more money.

(10-30-2015 10:21 PM)Hashtag Wrote:  

(10-30-2015 06:32 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Interesting idea, and could work, but not as well as you're suggesting, I think.

Problems: Notre Dame can take an ACC bowl bid if they don't make the playoff. The XII already has 7 bowls plus the playoff. Neither have any reason to pass up matches against other P5 opponents.

That's the reason to make this the highest pay day among non-NY6 bowls, so ND/B12 are slotted into this bowl ahead of all other non-NY6 bowls.

The main issue is that the free market sets the pay day - you can't just unilaterally decide that you should get paid more for a bowl (just as you can't just unilaterally decide that you should get paid more for TV rights). As of now, the highest pay days are all P5 vs. P5 bowls (with the biggest non-NY6 bowl payouts being the Citrus Bowl and Outback Bowl, which both feature the best Big Ten vs. SEC matchups available) because TV partners, bowl committees, stadiums and sponsors make the most money from those matchups. The payouts are then set accordingly. If you're looking at it from the perspective of all of those third parties that are involved in organizing a bowl, why would they pay more for an AAC school when they could get a P5 school instead (especially for the upper level matchups featuring one of the top 4 or 5 teams from each P5 league)? You can't artificially subvert the pecking order of college football - Big Ten and SEC teams are consistently the most valuable bowl participants year-to-year, so they get the higher payout bowls. The other P5 conferences get paid a premium, as well.